Wayne Rooney - DC United player

[Mrs Smoker]

Valencia was hardly a dross for goodness sake.

And SAF also had some cool signings in that time. Smalling, De Gea, Young, Chicharito, Jones, Kagawa, Van Persie.

 

[Celoti23-81]

Valencia was hardly a dross for goodness sake.

And SAF also had some cool signings in that time. Smalling, De Gea, Young, Chicharito, Jones, Kagawa, Van Persie.

Valencia was rubbish. A winger with no end product that was bought for his background more than anything. No wonder standards have dropped if we think Valencia was great. De Gea, Chicharito and Van Persie were great. The rest weren't or aren't. Did Kagawa pull up any trees?

 

[Canagel]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...actically-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Old-Trafford.html

Just as I said that's not the first time he said this crap about LVG being the best manager he worked with :



LVG at United was better tactically than the SAF's United Rooney played in, that's I have seen it all I guess.

And again he never said this. It's better not to make random things up.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Valencia was rubbish.

Are you watching him from 2018? Rubbish, bullshit.

 

[el3mel]

Point? Giggs, Neville, Scholes, we're much younger and were world class. So any system we played would have worked! After Ronaldo was sold SAF signed complete dross like Valencia, Obertan, Owen, Bebe, Buttner etc.
SAF adapted to football by employing specialists in modern football as assistants and coaches.
Yes, the tactics deployed by LVG were boring and required a lot of patience. But when they did get his philosophy, we played arguably better football than we have served up in 10 years, even in the SAF era when he had employed Phelan as assistant. Those 5 games where we played teams off the pitch like Barca did to us.
SAF was taught a lesson three times of modern day football by Barcelona twice and once by Bilbao, which most top managers now implement.
SAF was the master of the counter attack, nobody can beat him at that! But I seriously don't think he could thrive in the modern day tactics and style. LVG is probably better equipped for modern day football than SAF.
People think that the transfer strategy Ole has with buying young English talent is the best way forward, when in reality we will completely lack technique and guile on the ball, and we will rely heavily on pace which in modern day football is easy to counteract.

Do you even believe what you have written?

 

[el3mel]

And again he never said this. It's better not to make random things up.

No he means it and easily too, otherwise he would have said it. And anyway his point about LVG being the best tactically is totally and completely rubbish.

 

[Canagel]

No he means it and easily too, otherwise he would have said it. And anyway his point about LVG being the best tactically is totally and completely rubbish.

Not really since there is quotations on record where he said SAF is the greatest manager and got posted earlier. It seems you are simply annoyed he doesn't share the same opinion as yours. there's nothing more to read into it from what I can see.

 

[el3mel]

Not really since there is quotations on record where he said SAF is the greatest manager and got posted earlier. It seems you are simply annoyed he doesn't share the same opinion as yours. there's nothing more to read into it from what I can see.

So being the best "manager" doesn't include "the best tactically", "setting up the players" or "knowing each players rule". Probably means man management only or something ?

Honestly you're the one inventing things to twist his clear and obvious opinion. He would have said it if he meant otherwise.

And anyway if we go with your logic, his opinion is still totally and completely rubbish. Any tactics SAF applied here were far better than any tactics LVG applied here it's beyond discussion. I can't even believe I have to write such obvious fact. So LVG was setting up the players defensively better than SAF ? Absolute BS.

 

[Canagel]

So being the best "manager" doesn't include "the best tactically", "setting up the players" or "knowing each players rule". Probably means man management only or something ?

Honestly you're the one inventing things to twist his clear and obvious opinion. He would have said it if he meant otherwise.

And anyway if we go with your logic, his opinion is still totally and completely rubbish. Any tactics SAF applied here were far better than any tactics LVG applied here it's beyond discussion. I can't even believe I have to write such obvious fact. So LVG was setting up the players defensively better than SAF ? Absolute BS.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/w...with-alex-ferguson-at-manchester-united-38992

I'm not the only person who had differences with Sir Alex Ferguson, but I can still sit here and say he was the greatest manager of all time.

So where did he say LVG is the greatest manager? You just made something up but others invented and twisted? OK
For not the first time manager and coaches is two different things. SAF ran the club from the top to the bottom and instilled a certain values and priniciples. He was first a great motivator. He never coached and delegated tasks to his assistant . LVG is the coach and prepared the session on the training ground with video analysis etc and all the detail.

No-one is even speaking about what tactics was better so I don't get who you're arguing with in last paragraph. There is literally no story here. Just making big deal out of nothing.

 

[el3mel]

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/w...with-alex-ferguson-at-manchester-united-38992

I'm not the only person who had differences with Sir Alex Ferguson, but I can still sit here and say he was the greatest manager of all time.

So where did he say LVG is the greatest manager? You just made something up but others invented and twisted? OK
For not the first time manager and coaches is two different things. SAF ran the club from the top to the bottom and instilled a certain values and priniciples. He was first a great motivator. He never coached and delegated tasks to his assistant . LVG is the coach and prepared the session on the training ground with video analysis etc and all the detail.

No-one is even speaking about what tactics was better so I don't get who you're arguing with in last paragraph. There is literally no story here. Just making big deal out of nothing.

What are you on ? Are even reading his last quotes ? The one who brought tactics in the discussion is Rooney himself. He's clearly saying LVG is the best tactically he worked with, in setting up players defensively and making each players know their roles but no one is speaking about tactics ?

'He was tactically the best I have worked with – in terms of setting you up in a shape defensively and everyone knowing their roles.

"His tactical skills, his way of preparing and his attention to the finest of details, I found amazing. I admired that in him. I had never looked at stuff like that before.”

That training session thing is an invention out of your mind that Rooney didn't mention. His opinion is clear and obvious. He's saying LVG is the best tactical and organized coach he worked under, which is complete and total BS. No way LVG was setting us defensively better than SAF's best teams which Rooney played in.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Man, there always has to be so much negative talk when it comes to Wayne Rooney. Why can't people let it fecking go?

If you don't like him so much, there is no need for the constant bashing for one reason or the other. I find what Giggs did to his brother to be one of the most despicable things ever, but wouldn't go around to talk about it every time he is mentioned. Can we not have the appreciation threads clean of all this back and forth arguing?

Rooney is our top goalscorer of all time - I doubt anyone will come close to his numbers in the next decade or two, considering the downfall we are enduring at the moment.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I can't say i'm surprised by Rooney's comments. Van Gaal is a perfectionist, and you could tell by the way he played that players had to be in a certain position at a certain time, build up was precise, movement, etc. Very similar to how Pep coaches. Their attention to detail is said to be fantastic.

Only reason Van Gaal didn't succeed here was because of a lack of quality.

 

[Celoti23-81]

Do you even believe what you have written?

Like Rooney said LVG is a better coach. Not all great managers are or were great coaches! Understand the logic.
Ole may be a great coach, but might be a shait manager. Pep guardiola is world class at both in the modern era!

 

[Florida Man]

I can't say i'm surprised by Rooney's comments. Van Gaal is a perfectionist, and you could tell by the way he played that players had to be in a certain position at a certain time, build up was precise, movement, etc. Very similar to how Pep coaches. Their attention to detail is said to be fantastic.

Only reason Van Gaal didn't succeed here was because of a lack of quality.

Bit more to it than that I think. He had some rubbish in game management (remember Buttner substitute?) and a pretty bad transfer game (could have been a Woodward/Glazer problem too).

 

[Canagel]

What are you on ? Are even reading his last quotes ? The one who brought tactics in the discussion is Rooney himself. He's clearly saying LVG is the best tactically he worked with, in setting up players defensively and making each players know their roles but no one is speaking about tactics ?



That training session thing is an invention out of your mind that Rooney didn't mention. His opinion is clear and obvious. He's saying LVG is the best tactical and organized coach he worked under, which is complete and total BS. No way LVG was setting us defensively better than SAF's best teams which Rooney played in.

I meant nobody here. If you disagree on the tactics tell it to Rooney then, it's nothing to do with my post.

I was responding to your original post where you randomly claimed he said "LVG is better manager" from nothing and still didn't show where it was said until I showed you quotes to the opposite. Weird how you jumped the actual point and rest of the post.

 

[el3mel]

I meant nobody here. If you disagree on the tactics tell it to Rooney then, it's nothing to do with my post.

I was responding to your original post where you randomly claimed he said "LVG is better manager" from nothing and still didn't show where it was said until I showed you quotes to the opposite. Weird how you jumped the actual point and rest of the post.

It's up to you if you believe that weird twist of his quotes.

And by the way the quotes you're bringing and depending on so much to prove your point are from Sep 2015, which is about only the start of LVG's second season here, his reign hadn't ended yet at this time, and he had only worked with him for 1 year. Both his quotes, the new and the one I brought are from the current year.

 

[Ban]

I can't say i'm surprised by Rooney's comments. Van Gaal is a perfectionist, and you could tell by the way he played that players had to be in a certain position at a certain time, build up was precise, movement, etc. Very similar to how Pep coaches. Their attention to detail is said to be fantastic.

Only reason Van Gaal didn't succeed here was because of a lack of quality.

Sure, too bad he didn't bring any quality.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Rooney was a fantastic player but, for whatever reason, his performances fell off a cliff his last few seasons at United.

 

[Canagel]

It's up to you if you believe that weird twist of his quotes.

And by the way the quotes you're bringing and depending on so much to prove your point are from Sep 2015, which is about only the start of LVG's second season here, his reign hadn't ended yet at this time, and he had only worked with him for 1 year. Both his quotes, the new and the one I brought are from the current year.

Timing is not the issue. There's no contradictions between the quotes at all and therefore no big story.

 

[el3mel]

Timing is not the issue. There's no contradictions between the quotes at all and therefore no big story.

No it's. LVG reign hadn't ended by then. Now he's talking after he experienced the full reign of both managers.

And again it's up to you to believe that weird twist if it suits you.

 

[Canagel]

No it's. LVG reign hadn't ended by then. Now he's talking after he experienced the full reign of both managers.

And again it's up to you to believe that weird twist if it suits you.

The only twisting is twisting of quote "better coach" into "better manager".

 

[baskinginthesun]

10 goals 5 assists now in 18 appearances for DC. Not a bad contribution for his team so far.

 

[Isotope]

10 goals 5 assists now in 18 appearances for DC. Not a bad contribution for his team so far.

And some worldie goals too.

 

[Fıstıkçı Şahap]

If Van Gaal's tactics were that "crap" we wouldn't have beaten and had a great record against the top 6 teams in PL. Of course Van Gaal was a better tactician than Sir Alex. Why people find it hard to admit I'll never know. Tactics were never one of Fergie's biggest strenghts and that's also why we achieved rather little in Europe compared to the domestic success we had under Fergie. That's also why Fergie brought Carlos Queiroz to modernise our game. I remember this article about our style from a few years ago:

http://whitehouseaddress.blogspot.com/2012/06/uniteds-decline-how-united-have.html

Players like GNev and Carrick also spoke about his tactical nous and attention to detail :

https://www.balls.ie/football/michael-carrick-carlos-queiroz-barca-2008-364029

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...er-Uniteds-master-plan-beating-Barcelona.html

On the contrary, tactics, analyzing, attention to detail and match preparation are Van Gaal's biggest strenghts. So Rooney declaring Van Gaal as the bet tactician he's ever worked with is not down to holding grudges against Sir Alex. It's the truth.

 

[Snow]

Why? Tactics were never SAF's biggest strength and he was talking about tactics here. Best coach, not best manager.

He says "by far the best coach", not that he was just a better coach.

 

[FujiVice]

No matter what you feel about Van Gaal, its far from a stretch to say he was a better coach than Sir Alex. His reputation is massive as it is, without taking into account Fergie was never actually considered a "coach."

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[Kostov]

What a hit that is. Great volley by Wayne.

 

[FootyGirl88]

What a hit that is. Great volley by Wayne.

He really is amazing.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Vintage Wayne. Superb technique.

 

[KennyBurner]

Favorite player of all time. I love you Wayne!

 

[wr8_utd]

I'd genuinely not expect any of our players to hit it that sweetly

 

[UnofficialDevil]

The white Pele

 

[DoomSlayer]

Wazza made that strike look so effortless. One of the few players in football history that you could realistically say had the full package in terms of skill set.

 

[Danny Roberts]

It's really nice to see him enjoying it out there and being the "big man" (relatively) again.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

What are they playing there? Some skills competition? Is it All-Star weekend or somesuch?

 

[MalcolmTucker]

What are they playing there? Some skills competition? Is it All-Star weekend or somesuch?

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Nani for the win!

Thanks, mate. Fun competition, cool that it's played on smaller venue.

 

[flappyjay]

Diogo Dalot and now Felix speaks English. Is English now part of the Portuguese school curriculum?

 

[criticalanalysis]

Say what you want about 'USA SPORTS WOOHOOOO' and their gamification/commercialisation of it but they do it well. It's a bit of good fun.