When has ever fear been a good motivating factor? Being in management myself, I certainly wouldn't want my employees to fear me. They should respect Solskjær and Carrick and be made aware of consequences if they are not loyal. I actually think loyal is key here. The players need to understand what it means to be loyal to the club uv and the supporters. How they act in social media is part of that, as is how they talk about the club.
Wayne Rooney: Man Utd players need to fear Solskjaer and Carrick
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People are mixing up the context of fear.
Ferguson never made the players fear expressing themselves or fear talking a risk in the hope of reward.
What he did make them fear was his wrath or worse, the loss of his affection, if he felt they didn’t put enough effort in on the pitch or training field, weren’t prepared to fight for their place or their team mates or if they let off field interests become distractions.
That sort of fear is a healthy motivator and any player that lets it affect their performances and can’t deal with it positively shouldn’t be at the club.
Ferguson never made the players fear expressing themselves or fear talking a risk in the hope of reward.
What he did make them fear was his wrath or worse, the loss of his affection, if he felt they didn’t put enough effort in on the pitch or training field, weren’t prepared to fight for their place or their team mates or if they let off field interests become distractions.
That sort of fear is a healthy motivator and any player that lets it affect their performances and can’t deal with it positively shouldn’t be at the club.
So how is this going to happen? Solskjaer and Carrick to be sent on a course to make them scary?
It doesn't help that some underperformers seem to get away with more than others.
It doesn't help that some underperformers seem to get away with more than others.
Is Klopp feared or respected and loved? What about pep?
There is not only onw way to achieve something.
In my club we had this legend of a coach. Absolutely brilliant man. He used a bit of terror and inspiration combined with great pedagogy. The players loved him and he made them believe! But he used his mouth and strong words on the training field to push them all the time.
I think the key is establishing that BELIEF combined with a lot of practise on a certain way to play and commit 110%.
And it should never matter if a person is a "superstar" player. Everyone should be treated the same and should respect the manager.
Fear I do not believe in. But maybe a healthy amount of terrorising the players to provoke them to give 110%.
There is not only onw way to achieve something.
In my club we had this legend of a coach. Absolutely brilliant man. He used a bit of terror and inspiration combined with great pedagogy. The players loved him and he made them believe! But he used his mouth and strong words on the training field to push them all the time.
I think the key is establishing that BELIEF combined with a lot of practise on a certain way to play and commit 110%.
And it should never matter if a person is a "superstar" player. Everyone should be treated the same and should respect the manager.
Fear I do not believe in. But maybe a healthy amount of terrorising the players to provoke them to give 110%.
Real question - has his legal stuff been worked out from his arrest?
Pretty sure that Klopp carries a fear factor. Have you ever seen the guy lose it? He's like 6ft 5in too or something.
I'd say the above is the core issue at the heart of the club. People make fun of the clamour for players who'll 'run through brick walls' for the club - insinuating that we're talking about signing 11 clones of Milner - but I think it's a misconception that it's all about hard work on the field.
What we're asking for is players who'll show the right mentality to buy into and then fight for the values of our club - values which need to be passed down from higher up, they don't come from nowhere and they don't take long to dissappear into the ether.
This is why I think Ole needs to be backed long term, even if our results are naff for a year or two. He loves this club more than any other, you can see it a mile off. If he can instill this into a squad of players our results will improve, the atmosphere will improve, and these improvements will cultivate the right environment to bring in talented players who have no prior connection to us and allow them to also buy in, snowballing on and on as we saw during SAFs reign.
Listening to Evra speak to Gary the other day broke my heart as I miss having characters like that representing us more than I do the silverware. Let's hope we can get that back.
Nail on the head. It's a tricky balance that Sir Alex was an absolute master at pulling off. I hope some of this has rubbed off on Ole.
Mourinho hasn't put any fear in them and neither will Ole.
This. Klopp strikes me as an absolute cnut. Everything about this guy scares me: his rants at refs; his psychotic goal celebrations; even all the over-the-top hugging and chest bumping with the players after the game. The guy is nuts. I can easily see him getting in a player''s face on the training ground and going psycho.
Fear of being dropped, of being sold, of being ostracized, or fined, are probably what he means here. From what I have read Ole has a ruthless streak to him. Fellaini immediately being sold being evidence of that.
Think Rooney's words are very pointed, as he has been in that dressing room. Blatantly referring to Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku in particular, with their clothing range, aftershave and posting on social media but not taking responsibility for that (Pogba after Jose sacked). They all three hide on the pitch too.
Think Rooney's words are very pointed, as he has been in that dressing room. Blatantly referring to Pogba, Lingard and Lukaku in particular, with their clothing range, aftershave and posting on social media but not taking responsibility for that (Pogba after Jose sacked). They all three hide on the pitch too.
That was 4 days after us winning the league, so I’d let him off on that one.
Nobody moaned about this because he and his team were doing their jobs out on the field.
It is important to fear your boss a bit. However on the social media bit - do City and Liverpool players not use it or something? Or are they less flamboyant off the pitch? Have to admit the Lingard and Rashford photos were jarring as feck 
The interesting thing in this thread is how narrow the definition of 'fear' is for some people. Like somebody is only feared if they're Hulk-smashing someone or something. 'Fear' manifests in numerous forms, most of which do not involve violence or the anticipation of it.
The notion Pep or Klopp don't instill fear is ridiculous. Even from their touchline antics tell you: 'do things their way or else' and in a winning team, players are desperate to please their manager and stay in his good graces, for obvious reasons. Being marginalised and alienated in a team that's flying must be a horrid experience and one players wish to avoid.
In a losing team, the fear should be that you'll not be a player at the club much longer unless you buck your ideas up, and this is where we've fallen short for years now.
I think Ole is being underestimated here, also. The bare bones of what he can do comes down to how much authority he is given to clear the squad out as and how he sees fit - there'll be a 'sudden' fear and respect of him as a manager if he's hooking underperformers left, right and centre.
Wayne worked in environments where he saw, all around him, for the majority of his career, how things go for players who fall short of the bar set for them - Rooney was given special permissions and obviously wasn't part of the pack per se until Mourinho arrived, but he did still find himself in the firing line.
Our culture needs to change and the players who are allowed to remain toe the line. Fear will be instilled with that, and not the bench press you through the roof sort.
The notion Pep or Klopp don't instill fear is ridiculous. Even from their touchline antics tell you: 'do things their way or else' and in a winning team, players are desperate to please their manager and stay in his good graces, for obvious reasons. Being marginalised and alienated in a team that's flying must be a horrid experience and one players wish to avoid.
In a losing team, the fear should be that you'll not be a player at the club much longer unless you buck your ideas up, and this is where we've fallen short for years now.
I think Ole is being underestimated here, also. The bare bones of what he can do comes down to how much authority he is given to clear the squad out as and how he sees fit - there'll be a 'sudden' fear and respect of him as a manager if he's hooking underperformers left, right and centre.
Wayne worked in environments where he saw, all around him, for the majority of his career, how things go for players who fall short of the bar set for them - Rooney was given special permissions and obviously wasn't part of the pack per se until Mourinho arrived, but he did still find himself in the firing line.
Our culture needs to change and the players who are allowed to remain toe the line. Fear will be instilled with that, and not the bench press you through the roof sort.
Every club Pep has been at the players have feared him. He’s very intense and demanding and players know if they’re on wrong side they will be shipped out. Klopp also is a crazy intense guy.
Being able to create fear isn’t about being physically intimidating like a Keane it is about standards and your aura and ruthlessness.
He’s spot on
To be honest it isn’t about underestimating Ole - I think we all need to just sit on the fence and see if he is more than just all talk.
This, this, this.
I wish someone is listening.
If the club fully backs Ole ('fully' including, not just getting the players he wants or selling the ones he wants to sell, but ensuring no player can disrespect or lead a mutiny against him) and is patient enough with him, then he will stand a very good chance of succeeding.
You wouldn’t want him taking a chunk outta you with those gnashers, that’s for sure
I think that's why Ole turned from praising all of the squad to now planning on dumping many of them
Fear only works for a while. Pride and hunger, that's the key. Eye of the tiger.
I wish this post is sent as an email to the owners of this club with strong emphasis on the bolded part. Bless you!
Players both fear and respect Pep and Klopp, nothing wrong with what Rooney is saying.
I don't think they fear them as such. There are just minimum levels of expectation which they know they have to meet when it comes to fitness, attitude, etc. and only one option if they don't. You don't have that at United.
The second part of what Rooney is saying has it spot on I think. No one at United has any requirement to take responsibility for their own performance or actions. Never mind there being any standards set on them by anyone else.
There doesn't need to be a battle but Ole needs to say "this is how hard you need to be able to work, and this is the attitude you need to have" and then anyone who doesn't meet it is immediately out of contention. The problem is it's clearly made difficult at United because Woodward has the whole team so tied up in sponsorships and contract negotiations that the players and sponsors hold more cards than the manager does.
Fear is the wrong word, surely respecting Solskjaer and Carrick would be better.
The only thing the players should fear is if they are underperforming they will be sold. That unfortunately hasn’t been done for a number of years.
The only thing the players should fear is if they are underperforming they will be sold. That unfortunately hasn’t been done for a number of years.
Tbf, our fans would eat up all things Klopp if he were here.
Another poster claimed that Pep or Guardiola don't have the 'fear factor' that Rooney is talking about. I disputed that because I think the players would be scared of Klopp losing his sh*t if they were slacking. He's a big bloke and highly combustible.
Gotcha, I completely agree. While it may not be their immediate and preferred choice of communication, clearly both Pep and Klopp can turn on the “fear factor” when necessary. And more importantly, are likely to get a positive response from their players.
The type of fear Rooney is referring to is that of facing consequences when you don't perform to a certain standard. Too many of our players think they've made it just because they play for the club.
I think Rooney is saying a manager needs to rule with both fear and respect. You can’t be the players’ buddy all the time (which is the impression I get sometimes from Ole), but nor can you be a miserable sod constantly screaming your head off. With the former, players will walk all over you, and with the latter, they’ll quickly tune you out. It’s a fine line, but Rooney should know as SAF was the master of this.
"Every player has to feel they must play well or they won't play. They have to feel they must win again or they will have problems, they are in trouble and won't be here any longer."
Pep Guardiola.
That's instilling fear in amongst respect and setting a bar.
He means it, too, which is the kind of weight Ole's words must carry. For that to happen, he has to have 100% backing from Woodward and co.
Pep Guardiola.
That's instilling fear in amongst respect and setting a bar.
He means it, too, which is the kind of weight Ole's words must carry. For that to happen, he has to have 100% backing from Woodward and co.
They just need to fear losing games.
If you want players to fear you, you need to have something to threaten them with.
What do you threaten Pogba and DDG with? They will be old? It's most likely what they want anyway.
Martial and Sanchez? Good luck shipping them out given their wages. Rashford? Can anyone really see him being sold?
The others will not be good enough regardless of the manager's approach.
What do you threaten Pogba and DDG with? They will be old? It's most likely what they want anyway.
Martial and Sanchez? Good luck shipping them out given their wages. Rashford? Can anyone really see him being sold?
The others will not be good enough regardless of the manager's approach.
Spurs under Poch this season have played some absolutely tumescent football, as well as us.
I just have images of Ole meekly trying to be heard over the players, like a shit supply teacher. Carrick deep in thought wondering what that smell in his car could be.. Mike despairing at the whole shambles. I don't see an iron first of a coaching team.
Two things need to change for Ole to be respected and, to some extent, feared.
Firstly the people who own the club need to send a clear message Ole has free reign on all things player related and those not up to it will go the same way as Fellaini. Ole needs the club’s support on this.
Second, Ole needs to bring his own players in so he can show the rest of the squad what good looks like. At the moment performance levels are garbage because who on the training pitch do the players compare themselves to? What’s the standard?
If Ole’s allowed to create a culture built around what he believes in and what he stood for on the field then he, and his coaching team won’t go far wrong. None of that includes even raising your voice.
Firstly the people who own the club need to send a clear message Ole has free reign on all things player related and those not up to it will go the same way as Fellaini. Ole needs the club’s support on this.
Second, Ole needs to bring his own players in so he can show the rest of the squad what good looks like. At the moment performance levels are garbage because who on the training pitch do the players compare themselves to? What’s the standard?
If Ole’s allowed to create a culture built around what he believes in and what he stood for on the field then he, and his coaching team won’t go far wrong. None of that includes even raising your voice.
Guess the cat's out of the bag now
Am i the only one who watches a few of the live MLS games on FreeSports (Sky Channel 422)
Rooney's been on there 3 times this week and currently right now - half time, he's still got some magical vision with the football at his feet, what a guy.
Rooney's been on there 3 times this week and currently right now - half time, he's still got some magical vision with the football at his feet, what a guy.
As has been said plenty of times, the key difference between United and Liverpool/City is that their players don't hold a balance of power of Klopp/Pep. Their players are desperate to impress in every training session and in every match.
Whereas our players behave like they're at Chelsea or Real and can wait out, disrupt or coast through any manager they don't happen to like. And nobody thinks Ole has the nous or the backbone to offset this overwhelming player power we have at the club right now. He may do, but he certainly hasn't shown any of it yet.
But then to look like a manager in full command and above reproach you have to have a tangible philosophy which has been successfully implemented and, most importantly, is bringing results.
Whereas our players behave like they're at Chelsea or Real and can wait out, disrupt or coast through any manager they don't happen to like. And nobody thinks Ole has the nous or the backbone to offset this overwhelming player power we have at the club right now. He may do, but he certainly hasn't shown any of it yet.
But then to look like a manager in full command and above reproach you have to have a tangible philosophy which has been successfully implemented and, most importantly, is bringing results.