So, how do you decide what's the quality of players? Some players have talent in abundance but may not apply themselves. Other players play great football in certain systems and teams and much worse in other. How do you make a reasonable judgement on the whole squad that is made of 25+ players, each of whom have their own specific context?
We are an awfully coached team
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That's football isn't it? Every time a player is selected to start a game, promoted from reserves to first team, signed from another team - people at the club have made an estimate of said player's quality based on watching them play. Of course you can make the argument that no one on this forum knows football well enough to have a valid opinion, but in that case we may as well shut the forum down because it's a bit pointless if no one is allowed to make a judgement about a player's quality..
I think you’re missing the point. Say a manager doesn’t pick an expensive signing because as you say they’ve made a qualitative judgement about the player that doesn’t match his price. So then how can you from the outside say “This manager has millions worth of talent and isn’t using him right”? Surely the manager is the best judge of the player’s qualities - possibly better than the people who paid the money for the player?
Another point to think about in this scenario. Often the people who sanction the player signing are also the ones who hire and fire the manager. If the manager thinks the player their boss paid tons of money for is shit and doesn’t play him who do you think will get the blame there?
You don't have to convince me on the latter
I refrain from subjective judgement on players' ability and usually try to rely on data in terms of stats and performance on the pitch (which also needs to be put into context) but still refrain from giving negative ratings to players.Again the lack of cohesion and quality in our touch/passing bemuses me at times, and then the set piece issue on top of it...
180 minutes against City over the past couple of weeks and did we even create a chance? And attack is our strength too - but this can be added to a long list including Palace, Arsenal, Chelsea, City league game, Wolves, Istanbul, West Brom and City again where we just look completely bereft of ideas.
180 minutes against City over the past couple of weeks and did we even create a chance? And attack is our strength too - but this can be added to a long list including Palace, Arsenal, Chelsea, City league game, Wolves, Istanbul, West Brom and City again where we just look completely bereft of ideas.
city have conceded 2 in 11 tbf, they are the best defensive side in the world at present i'd imagine
The big games have been Ole's thing since he arrived but rival managers have clearly caught on to our plans and Ole has no clue on how to respond.
We haven't won a game against the traditional big 6 since we beat City in March before the lockdown. In Europe, we got a couple of wins vs PSG and RBL but lost the key games against them that could have guaranteed us qualifying to the next round.
You then add him losing four Semi-final's on the trot and it's starting to look like he's getting shown up in the biggest of matches.
We haven't won a game against the traditional big 6 since we beat City in March before the lockdown. In Europe, we got a couple of wins vs PSG and RBL but lost the key games against them that could have guaranteed us qualifying to the next round.
You then add him losing four Semi-final's on the trot and it's starting to look like he's getting shown up in the biggest of matches.
Yes, we are.
Clueless. Time for a change.
To think we actually doubted ourselves just a few weeks ago but alas the purple patch had to end. Anyone with a set of peepers can see Ole and his band of merrymen are not good enough to coach Man United. We need to be like Chelsea and get rid of average coaches who are taking us nowhere.
He is just a good man manager. Coaching wise, he is not even close to Pep, Klopp etc. Even Ancelotti.
Static and sideways didn't come through today.
Yeah Ole will get us nowhere from here.
A top class manager would have got Fred or McT off at half time, we didn't and it just compounded our lack of creativity. Utterly poor all over.
What did OGS see in keeping a double pivot with 86% possession
What did OGS see in keeping a double pivot with 86% possession
Awful. Absolutely awful.
Disgraceful. As usual, no game plan. Play it forward and hope somebody does something special.
Genuinely are. There's absolutely nothing in reserve if we're not bailed out by individualism.
What the feck is our style of play??
What the feck is our style of play??
Despite all the arguments back and forth, this question isn’t going away.
At times, its the same posters who laud Pep for his interplay and movement, who also defend Ole.
There is a clear lack of coaching and he needs to bring in better professionals to get more out of these players.
Performances are chaotic and nothing is being done about it.
At times, its the same posters who laud Pep for his interplay and movement, who also defend Ole.
There is a clear lack of coaching and he needs to bring in better professionals to get more out of these players.
Performances are chaotic and nothing is being done about it.
The apology thread is aging well...
It's good all the top reds managed to get the Ole Out thread locked. Otherwise it'd be getting spammed again and they'd try to pull out more nonsense from where the sun don't shine to justify another awful coaching performance against a Championship team.
He is not close to many managers in PL tbf...
We dont look coached. Just a bunch of players thrown together and sometimes they tick because of individual quality.
Nowhere near good enough. Terrible.
We have zero ideas how to beat teams like that
Given how open we looked as soon as Fred went off should answer your question.
We really are an awfully coached team. True that.
Any other ex-players fancy a nicely paid job where all you have to do is sit around looking clueless,
do you have zero coaching credentials? thats fine too just come on down to united and you'll be a coach.
do you have zero coaching credentials? thats fine too just come on down to united and you'll be a coach.
Were stuck with this for years.
As usual. Need to be said to all the youngsters in here.
It is not tactics that are wrong. It is that our players, like Rashford, think they are better then they are.
It is not tactics that are wrong. It is that our players, like Rashford, think they are better then they are.
Imagine sacking him, that would be a really stupid decision.
With Ole in charge, we are on a road to nowhere
Ole is good at picking players and motivating them but he's an awful coach. Ferguson was well aware he wasn't the best coach either and surrounded himself with the best, but Ole is blind to it. We shouldn't be thinking about sacking him without a plan, but if we can get a proper replacement lined up we should do so. We will always fall slightly short with him in charge.
Something about Klopp needing 4 years and Sir Alex also draw once against a bottom table team so this is perfectly acceptable.
We are. Absolute trash today. Clueless.
Only upping the tempo with 10 minutes to spare and wtf is with our attacking play ? Cavani playing as a lone striker against WBA
Only upping the tempo with 10 minutes to spare and wtf is with our attacking play ? Cavani playing as a lone striker against WBA
Yep we are
Just a normal side effect from having an awful manager.
Would be the best decision these Glazer cnuts could make
With Solskjaer, we are always going to be at a disadvantage against teams with actual managers. Our players have to play harder than other teams in order to overcome his tactical decisions.
It's fine. He just needs time.
We'll be lucky to finish third again. Another cup semi final defeat. We were absolutely pathetic in the Champions League. And you can bet your bottom dollar we will end this season trophyless. Really wish we had the bollocks to get rid of Ole at the end of the season.