Thiagoal
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Comparing us to say Liverpool is quite a stark contrast! We are so clueless I almost feel sorry for the players
So either was Van Gaal or Jose?Ole isn’t a proper coach but the excuses will continue.
And so too did Mourinho at Chelsea/United before getting the boot. You still hired him and look at how that's worked out for you so far.Man, Poch preformed the exact same in his final days at Spurs and in the previous season at times.
Maguire clearly has some mental block, Mata and Matic are too slow depending on the opposition, Wan Bisaaka has massive brain farts, Rashfords form is all over the shop.Since you know so much about the team, asides the obvious Pogba can you name the players with these attitude issue and the ones who are coasting and not trying
Question is - did he improve you guys initially? Did you guys get a pressing pattern consistently? Did you know how to play from back ?Man, Poch preformed the exact same in his final days at Spurs and in the previous season at times.
I would love to see Poch back in the PL, I would have no problem with him at United.And so too did Mourinho at Chelsea/United before getting the boot. You still hired him and look at how that's worked out for you so far.
Except at United, the manager gets more backing from the fans than the players.I'm not backing Ole, i'm telling you how it is, your quite happy to give players paid probably the highest in the league a fecking pass.
At the start yes, did Ole not do the same at the start for you?Question is - did he improve you guys initially? Did you guys get a pressing pattern consistently? Did you know how to play from back ?
I would even consider the saints gaffer hasenhuttl. Look how he has brought them on leaps and bounds since they got hammered by Leicester.The team plays with no fluidity or purpose. Counter attack is the only way Ole know how to set up because it relies on individual qualities rather than a well coached team. If a team sits back or presses United then the plan goes to shit. Ole's record against the top 6 is so good because they tend to set out to attack, which can then be countered with a counter attack style of play. Ole has done more good than bad during his tenure but he's taken the team as far as he can. The only problem is that Poch will be the main contender and I'm not fully confident he's the right man either. Marco Rose is the guy but he's not leaving Monchengladbach. At least we have a decent squad which the next coach can work with.
Right. Let’s discount his five years at Spurs and focus on ‘the final days’. So bizarre.And so too did Mourinho at Chelsea/United before getting the boot. You still hired him and look at how that's worked out for you so far.
At the start- by that if you mean first 3 years, which is more than you can ask from any managerial appointment.At the start yes, did Ole not do the same at the start for you?
We match up well against teams like PSG and they had their best midfielder out, it had nothing to do with adrenaline.So do we beat psg etc running on adrenaline? Because against other teams, like tonight it almost looks like there is no plan other than sticking 11 players on the pitch.
frustrating
What does their top speed have to do with their effort?Maguire clearly has some mental block, Mata and Matic are too slow depending on the opposition, Wan Bisaaka has massive brain farts, Rashfords form is all over the shop.
He would be a brilliant appointment better than Poch,imo.I would even consider the saints gaffer hasenhuttl. Look how he has brought them on leaps and bounds since they got hammered by Leicester.
SameI would even consider the saints gaffer hasenhuttl. Look how he has brought them on leaps and bounds since they got hammered by Leicester.
As most United fans said at t he time, he impoved our perfomances, but he won feck all having got us to Semis, and finals multiple times. All with a 25-30 goal a season striker.At the start- by that if you mean first 3 years, which is more than you can ask from any managerial appointment.
With Ole, we got wins and points but never had a plan, style or pattern.
I get his overarching point, in that the players need to share a burden of responsibility (and they fecking do, that first goal was completely on them). But I think he's slightly confused with effort and not being good enough.What does their top speed have to do with their effort?
A lot depending on the opposition. a new coach wont make them faster.What does their top speed have to do with their effort?
You beat PSG and Lipzig... in very admirable fashion.I get his overarching point, in that the players need to share a burden of responsibility (and they fecking do, that first goal was completely on them). But I think he's slightly confused with effort and not being good enough.
What? Van Gaal & Jose were much better than Ole tactically. They just weren’t the right men to take us forward.So either was Van Gaal or Jose?
They still got sacked.What? Van Gaal & Jose were much better than Ole tactically. They just weren’t the right men to take us forward.
Excuses are running lowOle isn’t a proper coach but the excuses will continue.
Totally agree but even if your coached to play the way we are, I’d still expect them to try harder and with more desire than they are!Given up? They are paid a fecking fortune? They have no right to give up.
Im more of a player crtic than a manager. In my job if I see a manager doing a piss poor job i take responsibility and try to help him out, I don't sit on my ass and yawn.Totally agree but even if your coached to play the way we are, I’d still expect them to try harder and with more desire than they are!
How do we know who had us playing like they wanted? Mourinho was drooling over Fellaini like he was peak Messi. Each coach has had us playing how they wanted, we just sucked each time because the coach wasn't getting us to do the right things for us to succeed. That was the case with Moyes and its the case all the way through to Ole. And each one you could probably find 1 or 2 things that they coached that did take the team in a good direction, but there were 3-5 things that were taking us the wrong way too so we still underperformedTotally agree, but he had done his coaching job, he had us playing how he wanted, it was just awful.
Yes it's not like we can't tell when both a player is awful and a manager lacks quality. He's presenting it as one or the other downplaying the role of coaching in team performancesI get his overarching point, in that the players need to share a burden of responsibility (and they fecking do, that first goal was completely on them). But I think he's slightly confused with effort and not being good enough.