I don't see that happening in next 3 years let alone this window.
We are so fecked! (Knee-Jerk Overload)
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They never said rebuild into a top side though
No. I'm starting to think that Steven Howson had a good source when he said a maximum of 2 after James.
If that's the case then forget about even 6th next season.
I think we will be lumbering around 10th or 11th at Xmas and the pressure will fall on Ole. Looking at the first few months of fixtures, I can see us really struggling.
Ole will be gone before Christmas at this rate. At the minute he just looks like a yes man and everything we have done or haven't done is all about saving money. I have no idea what's going on with this club. We needed a couple of early signings to create some positivity and make a statement of intent. Instead we have given extensions to players that needed replacing, either with youth or new signings. I know it's there's still a way to go in the transfer window but it's worrying times indeed.
It could be the case regarding Ole, but I am now worried that the club is being run so badly that eventually the sort of manager we need will be put off. We have ruined the reputations of three managers and could turn a club legend into a laughing stock which pains me.
They wont admit it but there's no budget for a overhaul.
I think deep down they're praying Inter stump up £70m for Lukaku so we can re-invest that money elsewhere.
I think deep down they're praying Inter stump up £70m for Lukaku so we can re-invest that money elsewhere.
Has Ole actually ever said we were going to go for a full rebuild. Didn’t he actually say we’d only be looking at two or three this summer, so he can give most of the team another summer to show what they were capable of after a good pre-season?
I agree we need a bigger job doing than that, but I think most are going to have to get used to the idea that we won’t be doing a lot this summer. I can see a right back and a centre half and we’re done. It’s going to be a long and painful summer for most on here if we keep expecting 4 or 5 more world class players in. I think we all need to resign ourselves to reality now.
I agree we need a bigger job doing than that, but I think most are going to have to get used to the idea that we won’t be doing a lot this summer. I can see a right back and a centre half and we’re done. It’s going to be a long and painful summer for most on here if we keep expecting 4 or 5 more world class players in. I think we all need to resign ourselves to reality now.
I can't think of a reason why we would keep Juan Mata other than if we knew no new players were coming in.
Put it this way, When Ole is eventually sacked and not been backed in the Transfer market (like Jose last year) which top class manager is going to want to come to a team with a bang average squad and limited transfer funds? Absolutely no one. I think The Glazers have pulled the purstrings tighter then ever in the last 2 years.
I think he has made that statement and everybody went crazy. He might do that, but if we are left either dropping or treading water then he might find it difficult signing the players for the next stage of the rebuild, because why would they sign for a club going nowhere when there are better options about. He has to get the first set of signings spot on to show there is a plan and progress is being made.
Then the Glazers will find that Ed will struggle to get the sponsors to bring the money in. Who wants to be associated with a busted flush. We have a lot of sponsors, but I have never heard of most of them. Courting foreign market is risky because as someone has mentioned those fans in some cases follow success and will jump ship.
Fully agree. Think the glazers are closing the purse strings with the club. Wouldn't be surprised if we end up the window with only Daniel James and maybe AWB. Going to be a painful few years for us.
Also if we dont make top 4 a huge chunk of sponsorship is reduced isnt it? So you wonder what they are thinking
To be honest, I think alot of sponsors will of been put off now. Who would want to associate with a circus club like us now? If you think of it from a business point of view, the Manchester United name does not hold the same allure and prestige it once did. Pains me to say it but you want to sponsor a team like Liverpool or City who play attacking and nice football.
Your methodology is very flawed
1) proven vs non-proven needs a clear definition
2) If proven depends on winning trophies, there are a lot of other variables to account for: strength of competition, edge cases (DiMatteo), years of service, etc
3) There is an inherit selection bias since bigger clubs with more resources and tend target/hire to high more successful managers. You would expect these managers to start off with better odds to win trophies
4) I don't understand what you mean risk weighted benefit. A expectation weighted benefit would be more compelling
Injecting nuance into the general discourse in the United forum is a fool’s errand...No I haven't seen him and I'm honest about it, but I'm also mature enough to not post like a spoiled petulant child and will afford the kid time and see how he does before writing him off.
Both of you are standard twittah types who will run to social media if he turns out to be a class player and say he's world class by October and pretend you always rated the kid.
And Dele Alli, sure he has just a runners up medal now.
Vardy was a Sunday league player ffs and is now a Premier League winner.
Veratti played in Serie B FFS, By your incredibly stupid judgement that lower league automatically means shit he is as well...
Kante as well... He was in League 2.
So many shite players
Just because we've bought from lower leagues doesn't mean they are automatically shite!
Really is some absolutely clueless, spoiled brats in our fan base.
I appreciate someone trying, tho’.
We have already lost a huge chunk of money from Adidas, and now when we go to re-negotiate our kit sponsor they hold all the power. Basically we will have to take a reduced figure I would guess.
Trouble is there are people associated with the club, the board, ex-players who still think we are a big draw. Those people really need a reality check. All ex- SAF players or Busby players who are living in the past.
Have we? I thought it was 2 consecutive years with no CL and then it kicks in
Nope, it is every season we don't get Top 4. Here is an article explaining it (even if it is an old one):
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-united-confirm-take-21m-10433265
Exactly. Just look at this from the past 6 months for example:
- Ole wont park in Fergie's parking bay
. Like come on you are your own guy, stop acting like a second rate coach.- The 90+3 logo on the new home shirt. Absolute cringe and a needless look back to better times.
- The United social media pages are littered with nostalgia talk and constant talk about Ronaldo. He left 10 years ago for god sake.
- The recent legends game being treat by some as the highlight of the season. Yes it was nice watching Scholes ping the ball around but he is playing against 50+ year olds.
We have gone full Liverpool, It is really sad to see.
Yep. We are being left behind. We need to evolve into a modern football club, the whole club, training ground, stadium not just social media (they seem to think that is enough). Of course you need owners who are bothered to do that.Exactly. Just look at this from the past 6 months for example:
- Ole wont park in Fergie's parking bay
- The 90+3 logo on the new home shirt. Absolute cringe and a needless look back to better times.
- The United social media pages are littered with nostalgia talk and constant talk about Ronaldo. He left 10 years ago for god sake.
- The recent legends game being treat by some as the highlight of the season. Yes it was nice watching Scholes ping the ball around but he is playing against 50+ year olds.
We have gone full Liverpool, It is really sad to see.
If we keep doing the same shite that has got us in this position then hell yeah we are fecked.
We should copy and paste the Liverpool template. Some won't like this, but they are the club most similar to us. From history, unparalleled success, blind loyalty towards managers and of course the position we find ourselves in I.e underperformance after years of sustained success.
We are probably in the Dalglish phase in their cycle. Where a club legend is brought in to unite the club, does pretty well in his stint and is offered the managers job on a permanent basis. The similarities dont end there. In an attempt to go back to the roots of the club, the manager opts for expensive homegrown talent in the belief that they understand the club and will bleed for the badge and excel. Caroll, Downing and Henderson were purchased, it failed spectacularly.
While the idea to purchase homegrown talent sounds good in theory, it can blow up in our faces. The best signing of the Dalglish era was Suarez. Who has more fight for the badge and fire in the belly than any homegrown player that's ever been. The prevailing traits in signing players should always be quality and above all, character, not nationality.
Listen to the way Klopp talks about what they look for in a signing, https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43966264
sounds like SAF Back in the day. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/apr/09/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united-transfer (I'm sure someone can find an even better example.
As an aside, I think the main reason Liverpool targeted homegrown players in Dalglish's time was because they were no longer as attractive to foreign players as they used to be, hopefully it's not why we are linked to so many of them.
We should copy and paste the Liverpool template. Some won't like this, but they are the club most similar to us. From history, unparalleled success, blind loyalty towards managers and of course the position we find ourselves in I.e underperformance after years of sustained success.
We are probably in the Dalglish phase in their cycle. Where a club legend is brought in to unite the club, does pretty well in his stint and is offered the managers job on a permanent basis. The similarities dont end there. In an attempt to go back to the roots of the club, the manager opts for expensive homegrown talent in the belief that they understand the club and will bleed for the badge and excel. Caroll, Downing and Henderson were purchased, it failed spectacularly.
While the idea to purchase homegrown talent sounds good in theory, it can blow up in our faces. The best signing of the Dalglish era was Suarez. Who has more fight for the badge and fire in the belly than any homegrown player that's ever been. The prevailing traits in signing players should always be quality and above all, character, not nationality.
Listen to the way Klopp talks about what they look for in a signing, https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43966264
sounds like SAF Back in the day. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/apr/09/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united-transfer (I'm sure someone can find an even better example.
As an aside, I think the main reason Liverpool targeted homegrown players in Dalglish's time was because they were no longer as attractive to foreign players as they used to be, hopefully it's not why we are linked to so many of them.
What happened to getting rid of the players causing it unrest in the dressing room and players who just couldn't be arsed to run. Is that all forgotten now? Seems like it. Instead they all get new contracts and Pogba probably captaincy if he stays
Fans are mostly mindless and quickly forget what has come before. The club know know the dust will settle when we're in a bad period and everybody will be excited about transfers etc. I think all that talk, much like the DoF talk, was just to shut the fans up for a bit whilst they continue to rinse us for cash.
Everything that went down last season is forgotten about by the majority.
Well seeing as next season sees the launch of live games on Amazon,maybe we should approach Jeff Bezos and plead with him to buy the club.
100% If Ole isn't backed this summer he is working with his hands tied behind his back. We are slowly drifting into the wilderness. The club feels to me as if we are already a laughing stock, how far we have fallen is beyond depressing. If this summer goes anything like last summer we as fans simply have to make a stand!
Regarding how the club is run nothing has changed since Mourinho was sacked. Still handing out long term contracts to players that aren’t good enough, not investing in the right players, not devising any tangible plan to get us back on track whilst our rivals collect all the major honours. Disgraceful.
They work their socks off to get sponsorship deals, but are just lazy where player signing/contract renewals are concerned. It is easy to offer some of these players extensions as they will snatch their hands off. Easy peasy.
Beans, Beans, Beans.
Has this club gone fecking mad loyalty bonus for a player that wants to leave ?
1 Signing and its nearly July
We in huge trouble, as long as woodward is there we will stay in hell, ole will get sacked by November in my opinion.
1 Signing and its nearly July
We in huge trouble, as long as woodward is there we will stay in hell, ole will get sacked by November in my opinion.
Hahahaha that was incredible
Well we all know the adidas money drops significantly unless Ole pulls a rabbit out and gets Top 4. That’s a major hit right there. Then the next telling one is (finally) right around the corner with the shirt sponsor. Unless things turn around quickly I have a feeling it’s not one we’re going to be rushing to the press to brag about.
The finances at this club and ability to spend could look a whole lot worse soon, or maybe just remain flat due to increases TV money.
It’s been like this since the Glazers took over, fans have just been blind to it. Fergie papered over many of the cracks but they’re running out of places to hide.
Aren't you guys just tired of this recycled crap year in year out? I really am. We must be the only club that takes eternity to figure out which players are up to scratch. Terrible stuff
1. Ceteris Paribus (either way) chances are (stats) he won't.
2. You do? Ok. I have never said that.
3. It doesn't. See point 1.
NB. You could write 100 sentences between points 2 and 3 but unless you specifically address what makes Ole such a good choice it actually makes no difference to the logical result. Specifically what makes him the ideal candidate? What (as you put it, although I couldn't care less) "makes him a better candidate than Mou"? What specifically makes him a better candidate than all the other ex-man Utd players who have moved into management?
That's how Smalling and Jones have lasted as long as they have. Constant 'new starts'.
I think the word is out already. Players, agents and managers know what it going on. If we, the general public can see it, those in the industry already know.