We Need Two Full Backs

Chungy said:
I think we still need to aim for a 1st team LB, and if Amass is good enough, he can challenge Shaw for 2nd LB, or even rotational LB.

Shaw' was solid but not spectacular last season, is getting on so will probably play worse next season, and is injury-prone. We'll let him go at the end of his contract (at least we definitely should), so we know we need to replace him eventually. If Amass does develop well and is ready for minutes, he can be cup/sub LB next season, and if he's truly great he'll challenge for 1st after a season or two. It also means that if it doesn't work out, we won't need to buy 2 LBs in 1 transfer window.

For me, that's the best case scenario, as that would allow us to maybe even let Shaw go early for a cheeky 5-10 mil. The whole team/squad needs to continually evolve, and he's hardly the type of legend that we owe him that much loyalty (and I think we've already shown a lot).

For the RB position, it's got to be next summer (at least winter). I think Maz can play better than Dalot, but Maz often needs a run of games to do so, and he's been so injury-prone. Dalot can be very frustrating, but like others have noted, he's got a great engine and he doesn't leak that many goals now. And having a good/great LB who often overlaps may even mean we don't need him to do as much on the ball - instead of actually getting the ball, he can hopefully just help stretch the play with his runs. Ultimately we'll need to make a decision as to who to keep, and I think giving Maz 1 (or even just half a) season and they can fight it out, and we buy a great 1st team RB next season to relegate them to a 2nd RB.
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Reckon maybe we go all in for Kayode next summer unless there was a way to lure Mendes from PSG.
 
Chungy said:
I think we still need to aim for a 1st team LB, and if Amass is good enough, he can challenge Shaw for 2nd LB, or even rotational LB.

Shaw' was solid but not spectacular last season, is getting on so will probably play worse next season, and is injury-prone. We'll let him go at the end of his contract (at least we definitely should), so we know we need to replace him eventually. If Amass does develop well and is ready for minutes, he can be cup/sub LB next season, and if he's truly great he'll challenge for 1st after a season or two. It also means that if it doesn't work out, we won't need to buy 2 LBs in 1 transfer window.

For me, that's the best case scenario, as that would allow us to maybe even let Shaw go early for a cheeky 5-10 mil. The whole team/squad needs to continually evolve, and he's hardly the type of legend that we owe him that much loyalty (and I think we've already shown a lot).

For the RB position, it's got to be next summer (at least winter). I think Maz can play better than Dalot, but Maz often needs a run of games to do so, and he's been so injury-prone. Dalot can be very frustrating, but like others have noted, he's got a great engine and he doesn't leak that many goals now. And having a good/great LB who often overlaps may even mean we don't need him to do as much on the ball - instead of actually getting the ball, he can hopefully just help stretch the play with his runs. Ultimately we'll need to make a decision as to who to keep, and I think giving Maz 1 (or even just half a) season and they can fight it out, and we buy a great 1st team RB next season to relegate them to a 2nd RB.
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What people keep missing is that Amass is out of contract next summer. He’s got limited time to impress and get a new deal. Let’s see
 
golden_blunder said:
What people keep missing is that Amass is out of contract next summer. He’s got limited time to impress and get a new deal. Let’s see
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I did miss that, but I don't think that changes my opinions at all.

Get a 1st team LB, and give Amass the sub minutes and cup games. If he impresses and keeps Shaw out, give him a new contract. If he develops amazingly well and replaces the new 1st team LB, even better! Give him a bigger contract and relegate the new LB to subs/cup LB or sell him (if he doesn't accept being the sub- unless we were silly with money, we can recoup most of the fee paid if we off-load him after a season).

If he doesn't impress, Shaw comes back as 2nd LB until he leaves, and Amass goes on loan/sold next winter or summer.

We need to be more ruthless with these kind of updating of our team. Shaw will need to move on eventually and Amass either needs to show he can step up or he's out. I have no problems with him stepping up, if he develops so well that becomes our world class 1st LB, then we'll have a good 2nd or sell the new LB after a season.
 
Chungy said:
I did miss that, but I don't think that changes my opinions at all.

Get a 1st team LB, and give Amass the sub minutes and cup games. If he impresses and keeps Shaw out, give him a new contract. If he develops amazingly well and replaces the new 1st team LB, even better! Give him a bigger contract and relegate the new LB to subs/cup LB or sell him (if he doesn't accept being the sub- unless we were silly with money, we can recoup most of the fee paid if we off-load him after a season).

If he doesn't impress, Shaw comes back as 2nd LB until he leaves, and Amass goes on loan/sold next winter or summer.

We need to be more ruthless with these kind of updating of our team. Shaw will need to move on eventually and Amass either needs to show he can step up or he's out. I have no problems with him stepping up, if he develops so well that becomes our world class 1st LB, then we'll have a good 2nd or sell the new LB after a season.
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Personally I think Amass will get some loan time in the new season, perhaps 3-6 months to see how he’s got over those injuries from last season. A new contract could go either way at this stage so he needs to prove himself capable of staying fit and being able to play mens football consistently.
 
golden_blunder said:
Personally I think Amass will get some loan time in the new season, perhaps 3-6 months to see how he’s got over those injuries from last season. A new contract could go either way at this stage so he needs to prove himself capable of staying fit and being able to play mens football consistently.
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Ah, so you also think a new LB should be one of the top priorities this summer. I completely misunderstood your post then

(unless I misread this post instead....)
 
Good paddock youtube vidro earlier with sully talking about young players of interest. He named the young lens player as one...he would be a good target as rb and cb so challenges dalot which is needed and adds cover to cb, ideal profile to sign..we have 3 very experienced cb and for me a rb not good enough...so even if martinez and deligt have injuries we still have maguires experience for another season.
Thinkwe should be making 2/3 signings like this that are relatively low costs. For me we could sign very good fb for each side at pretty much the same cost as lewis hall
 
golden_blunder said:
Yes I think we need a new LB. We can’t rely on Shaw being fit for a longer season
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For all people slag off Dalot, he’s always available and that’s a really important attribute, especially when you look at the fitness records of a lot of our other defenders.

As for Amass, I think it’s unrealistic to believe he’ll be an important squad player next season. If the club think he could become that, extend his contract and loan him out and review in 2027. Shaw’s contract is also up next summer, so the decision is whether he can take his role on then.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
For all people slag off Dalot, he’s always available and that’s a really important attribute, especially when you look at the fitness records of a lot of our other defenders.

As for Amass, I think it’s unrealistic to believe he’ll be an important squad player next season. If the club think he could become that, extend his contract and loan him out and review in 2027. Shaw’s contract is also up next summer, so the decision is whether he can take his role on then.
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Ah i didn’t realise that about shaw
 
Good sign if we hear about Cucurella, means that we may think about another defender.

It would be dangerous to think that we have cover in the full back positions.

Dalot is pretty fit, but average since two years.
Mazraoui has a very good versatility, but not a player that make the difference.
Shaw had an abnormal year playing every game, and soon he will be injured and go back to his old self.
Dorgu looks more dangerous upfront than left back.

It means that if Shaw is injured, you play Dorgu at left back.
If Cunha gets injured/suspended, you play Diallo off the left and have only Mount as an attacker available off the bench.

Also, really important, Luke Shaw will be out of contract next year and we should absolutely find a replacement now.

Hall is available this summer and would be the perfect addition here. Young, English, talented and would balance our game on the left.

It would be a no brainer for me.
 
Only L.Hall and Kayode are realistic FBs I would accept. Cucu no (But I think he wants to leave the league towards Spain anyway).
 
I'd consider selling Martinez and moving Shaw to CB for a season if we can get Hall. Shaw is too slow for left back already (wouldn't be that exposed at CB) , and only the almighty knows how he survived the whole season without an injury.

I don't see a need for right back though. Neither Dalot or Mazraoui are world beaters, but we have more pressing needs surely.
 
Looking forward to seeing how Robinson gets on for USA as could be backup target. I would be surprised if INEOS pursued it though as he doesn't fall within their age criteria.
 
Borys said:
I'd consider selling Martinez and moving Shaw to CB for a season if we can get Hall. Shaw is too slow for left back already (wouldn't be that exposed at CB) , and only the almighty knows how he survived the whole season without an injury.

I don't see a need for right back though. Neither Dalot or Mazraoui are world beaters, but we have more pressing needs surely.
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Mazroui for Morocco is definitely right up there?
 
goldenboy said:
feckin' Chelsea at it again. About to de-rail another young player's career, and pack their squad with another player who doesn't seem particularly needed.

The best young RB out there. Shame Utd need a LB rather than RB, or else he'd have been a top option:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7386872/2026/06/23/marco-palestra-transfer-chelsea-inter-milan/
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Quenda: rejects United because he doesn't wanna play RWB, joins Chelsea, gets loaned for a season, comes back and the only position he would play is RWB. And now they sign a RWB talent for big money. :lol:
 
Borys said:
I'd consider selling Martinez and moving Shaw to CB for a season if we can get Hall. Shaw is too slow for left back already (wouldn't be that exposed at CB) , and only the almighty knows how he survived the whole season without an injury.

I don't see a need for right back though. Neither Dalot or Mazraoui are world beaters, but we have more pressing needs surely.
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It was a World Cup year so Shaw was motivated to stay fit for once.
 
Seen on Sky that Spence apparently wants to leave Spurs. I’d take him as he can cover both sides.
 
I Would take julian ryerson from dortmund, a warrior mentality that we need. And he had the most assist in bundesliga last season. So he can also cross the ball, unlike dalot..
 
Wezzaldo said:
Seen on Sky that Spence apparently wants to leave Spurs. I’d take him as he can cover both sides.
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It makes sense. Porro is just better right back and more technical, as well as more suitable in de Zerbi system. Spurs are playing one game a week so I can see that he will want to leave.
 
JE-0801 said:
It makes sense. Porro is just better right back and more technical, as well as more suitable in de Zerbi system. Spurs are playing one game a week so I can see that he will want to leave.
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It would have to be at the right price and if we can’t get the left back we actually want this summer. Would give you the flexibility of allowing any or all of Shaw, Dalot and Mazraoui to go next summer.
 
Where do we think Maz is going to play this year? Looked very good at left back. Would love to see him try and make right back his own. Or maybe left back works better for him if he is to drift into the midfield.
 
gaffs said:
Where do we think Maz is going to play this year? Looked very good at left back. Would love to see him try and make right back his own. Or maybe left back works better for him if he is to drift into the midfield.
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Subs bench mainly.

He doesn’t offer us anything going forward but is a competent defender who can cover multiple roles.

Personally I’d replace him if we had the budget AFTER LB which should be the priority after CM
 
Talks about Spence going to Inter for £25-30m. We should be all over that. United supporter, can cover both sides. Insane speed. Gives us an opportunity to sell the homophobe.
 
Floyd said:
Talks about Spence going to Inter for £25-30m. We should be all over that. United supporter, can cover both sides. Insane speed. Gives us an opportunity to sell the homophobe.
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