He's not very good and I hate to break it to you but he's also a Muslim so you wont like him for the same reason you don't like Maz.
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He's not very good and I hate to break it to you but he's also a Muslim so you wont like him for the same reason you don't like Maz.
I don't think he is either. Had a very good tournament, but he's a bit of a head down player. He panicked a lot when he had a chance to put his foot on the ball. Seems like a system player to me.
There was a tweet earlier saying we were still keeping an eye on Hall and Robinson.
I'd personally rather get Hall for LB and use Dorgu as a LW and with Summerville probably going to Roma and signing the young guy from Spurs it seems we may be moving towards that also.
I'd personally rather get Hall for LB and use Dorgu as a LW and with Summerville probably going to Roma and signing the young guy from Spurs it seems we may be moving towards that also.
Did you just say that every Muslim is homophobic? Don't know whether this is the best starting point for discussing sterotypes
We strictly need a starting left back.
Not all Muslims no, he seems to take Islam pretty seriously though so I would presume he has similar views to Maz.
It’s not like a connection between many forms of religiosity and homophobia doesn’t exist. But I think the least we should expect of each other is to try to judge people by what they do or say and not by what we expect them to do. Or worse, judge them as an entire group.
Pretty Islamophobic post.
How are we not in the market for a RB???? Dalot???
It is quite shocking to think that we look at Dalot and Shaw and think we're fine in these areas. It's like we have full back blindness.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-the-england-forward-mean-for-the-blues-squad
"Malo Gusto is another player facing an uncertain future and Chelsea value him at an eye-watering £75m."
Me gusto, Malo Gusto?
"Malo Gusto is another player facing an uncertain future and Chelsea value him at an eye-watering £75m."
Me gusto, Malo Gusto?
75m
Its how they can afford similar insanity such as Rodgers fee.
sadly I think this climate makes someone like Lewis Hall unrealistic this window unless Newcastle really needed to sell.
Look how the games changed for fullbacks too in the last 15 years, Dani Alves, Marcelo, Alba, Alaba, Davies, Hakimi, Nuno Mendes, Cucarella, Grimaldo, O'Reilly, Trent, Porro, Kimmich and Kounde.
They can play with the ball, get up and down barring Trent.... Get goals and assists and be main pieces in their teams.
We've got Luke Shaw and Dalot. Shaw is known for usually getting fat every year and then impressing fans if for a few games he looks less fat, and he might amble up the pitch far enough to make an attacking cross once a match.
Dalot is decent defensively but hardly much better participating in attacks. We're hampered big time currently but we clearly don't have the money, or will to win that INEOS have claimed.
Archie Brown been mentioned as a sneaky one from Fenerbahce. Can't say that I know him at all, but Forest were supposed to be interested a bit back. Couple of good comments about his performances in Europe.
Since we're signing Zaire-Emery, we don't need a RB, he can fill in there
Dalot is decent defensively? Every game he doesn't give a ball away and create a chance or two for the opposition, I consider us winning a lottery. He is extremely error-prone and instills zero confidence. And I agree, he is mostly useless in attack, as is Shaw lately
We need full backs on both sides, but I am afraid we are not getting any
Also, how the hell are we going to compete in all competitions we are in without a backup striker? Anybody?
So frustrating that Como can sign a quality left back like Kaiki for 14m. He's one of the best young full backs in Brazil and has already been capped at International level, if he was English you'd be looking at 60m.
I'll wait until the window closes before judging our summer but I'd be disappointed if we don't sign a left back especially when such a good squad addition was available for this price.
At right back I would love to see us sign Tobias at Shaktar because he has a profile we currently lack. His crossing ability and long range passing either line breaking progressive passing or diagonal switch of play is excellent and something we get almost zero of from both Dalot and Maz.
Just using his games in the champions league and europa league he compares with Dalot and Mazraoui:
Accurate long balls- Tobias -4.5, Dalot- 0.65, Maz- 0.54
Crossing accuracy- Tobias-37.1%, Dalot- 28.3%, Mazraoui-25%
Long ball accuracy- Tobias-68%, Dalot- 48% , Mazraoui - 26%
Chances Created- Tobias-1.4 , Dalot-0.79, Mazraoui- 0.45
Progressive Carries- Tobias -3.8, Dalot-1.95, Mazraoui - 2.1
Progressive passes- Tobias-4.88, Dalot- 5.32, Mazraoui- 3.9
Progressive passes- Tobias-9.12, Dalot- 7.9, Mazraoui- 6.45
(possession adjusted)
Passes into penalty area- Tobias-1.22, Dalot- 0.8, Mazraou-0.64
Dalot benefits from our high share of possession which allows him to accumulate a higher total of raw progressive passes while Shaktar have much less sustained possession in europe. Once you look at the progressive passing numbers adjusted for possession Tobias isn't just making more he's doing it highly efficiently.
Tobias represents a fairly low risk/high reward type of signing. Having Dalot and Mazraoui completely removes the immediate pressure on an incoming 22-year. If Tobias struggles with the physicality of English football or experiences a dip in form, the team’s floor never drops.
He would give us an elite crossing and switching outlet to unlock low blocks or play on the counter attack. If we plan to have Sesko as our #9 going forward then any full back we sign needs to be a good crosser of the ball.
I'll wait until the window closes before judging our summer but I'd be disappointed if we don't sign a left back especially when such a good squad addition was available for this price.
At right back I would love to see us sign Tobias at Shaktar because he has a profile we currently lack. His crossing ability and long range passing either line breaking progressive passing or diagonal switch of play is excellent and something we get almost zero of from both Dalot and Maz.
Just using his games in the champions league and europa league he compares with Dalot and Mazraoui:
Accurate long balls- Tobias -4.5, Dalot- 0.65, Maz- 0.54
Crossing accuracy- Tobias-37.1%, Dalot- 28.3%, Mazraoui-25%
Long ball accuracy- Tobias-68%, Dalot- 48% , Mazraoui - 26%
Chances Created- Tobias-1.4 , Dalot-0.79, Mazraoui- 0.45
Progressive Carries- Tobias -3.8, Dalot-1.95, Mazraoui - 2.1
Progressive passes- Tobias-4.88, Dalot- 5.32, Mazraoui- 3.9
Progressive passes- Tobias-9.12, Dalot- 7.9, Mazraoui- 6.45
(possession adjusted)
Passes into penalty area- Tobias-1.22, Dalot- 0.8, Mazraou-0.64
Dalot benefits from our high share of possession which allows him to accumulate a higher total of raw progressive passes while Shaktar have much less sustained possession in europe. Once you look at the progressive passing numbers adjusted for possession Tobias isn't just making more he's doing it highly efficiently.
Tobias represents a fairly low risk/high reward type of signing. Having Dalot and Mazraoui completely removes the immediate pressure on an incoming 22-year. If Tobias struggles with the physicality of English football or experiences a dip in form, the team’s floor never drops.
He would give us an elite crossing and switching outlet to unlock low blocks or play on the counter attack. If we plan to have Sesko as our #9 going forward then any full back we sign needs to be a good crosser of the ball.
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Sounds like a TAA-clone. Is that correct?
Clearly we’re prioritising, we are looking at LB. And for me that’s the right priority
He’s at least twice as good as shaw in contributions going forward. Shaw barely crossed the half way line whereas Dalot was regularly the player furthest up the pitch. People are harsh on his contributions
Wonder how much Kounde would be?
He's the closest I've seen to TAA in another right back yeah.
Whilst it's possible to make anyone look good in a highlight reel the underlying data backs up what you can see when you watch a video of him.
Has he got pace? Can he defend?
Wonder how much Dembele is whilst we’re at it
I dont think he's an upgrade over Dalot whom I don't rate at all. Both can run a lot.
Awful player
Would Dalot or Shaw start at other top tier English clubs? Almost certainly not.
I think Dalot would. He gets up and down, he inverses, he crosses, hes quick, he’s rarely injured.
Shaw on the other hand has a terrible injury history, rarely crosses the halfway line these days, more likely to pass backwards or sideways than progress forwards, rarely fires crosses anymore, his pace has gone a bit. Any other club he’d probably be cover off the bench
Looks like we might be interested but not at £50m which is what spurs now want?
Spence and Dorgu would be extremely uncultured. Someone like Tuchal would love it. Power, pace, but not a combination we would want at all.
Signing someone like Spence, if you can get him for a decent price, would be shrewd business in my opinion, especially if the rumours are true about suitors for Maz. Allows us to still invest in a starting right back next year.
Younger than Maz, top level speed, elite one on one defending, plays both sides, seems to thrive under pressure. Also less important but I want us to add to the English core and it doesn’t hurt adding another United fan into the side.
Younger than Maz, top level speed, elite one on one defending, plays both sides, seems to thrive under pressure. Also less important but I want us to add to the English core and it doesn’t hurt adding another United fan into the side.
The Good: His ground duel numbers are excellent so he's very good in 1v1s. He's a front foot defender excellent at counter pressing which you can see in his ball recovery and pressures metrics, 5.4 ball recoveries per 90 is top 85%. 14.8 pressures per 90 is top 82%. 52% of his pressures occur in the middle third and 28% inside the attacking third. He's rarely sitting off his man and the numbers show he aggressively steps out of defensive line.
The bad: Being a front foot defender means you can obviously get caught out. When his initial, high-line pressure is bypassed, he exposes space behind him. This aggressive approach explains why he has a higher-than-average foul rate 1.6 per 90 and picks up tactical yellow cards when stopping these transitions.
His aerial duel numbers are poor winning just 38%.
Personally I think adding a very aggressive front foot defender at right back is a good thing, especially when they have his elite in possession profile.
A point about Carrick that I keep coming back to is the 2007/08 being the best one he played in and therefore likely a big influence. The defence in that side was lopsided, long before all the recent renaming of positions. Brown was the regular right back and played as a third centre back. Evra was the left back but played almost as a winger.
Maybe that’s how we end up. Not dissimilar to what City were doing when they had Cancelo.
I'm not sure how much of the playing style is ideological in the sense that he actively wants to play like that and will recruit along those lines vs how much was simply practical based on the players available.
Neville hadn't played a league game in almost 18 months due to injury so Brown was used there along with O'shea and even Hargreaves. It wasn't really possible for us to attack on the right side in the same way.
Even if Carrick does want to attack using that type of system having someone like Tobias wouldn't stop you, it would just give you the option of deploying the same tactic but instead push the right back higher and have the left back (prob Shaw) tuck inside. It would also allow the team to attack in this style consistently because without this type of player what option to you have if the left back you intend to push higher get's injured?
I see Tobias as an intelligent bit of squad building. He's young and already putting up excellent numbers with the potential to improve, he has a skillset that United badly lack with his quality on the ball. Signing him while Dalot and Mazraoui are here means if he didn't settle or wasn't good enough the teams floor wouldn't drop. At best we get a young player with a real chance of becoming elite and at worst we end up using Dalot/Maz for another 12/18 months.
Every transfer carries risk but for me the risk/reward ratio is worth it here.
Wanted us to sign him before he moved to chelsea, still rate him but that fee is way too high
Think the opposite, as an attacking full back, hes been over rated by our fans going forward and for me defensively and sloppy mistakes wise he is poor, doesnt excel in any error, even though his performances have improved since bissaka left.
Shaw is still good defensively though obvuously offering little going forward now.
Both need upgrading but at least lb we have more options.
Though his form dipped and few injuries which are red flags, still make an exception if Balde from Barca can be done for £40_45m as takent wise only psg and bayern have better left backs.
Id like ganiou from lens. Think he could be pnly about £20m. Very promising centre back so he adds depth to potential long term injuries....but hslf the time ive watched him hes been at rb and been impressed. Think he offers a cheap short term solution to two possible probelm areas and possibly saves us a lot of money on a cb next summer