We Need Two Full Backs

I had high hopes for Bradley Locko (Stade Brest) when we were linked to him two years ago (I think). Unfortunately he seems to have not found his form back since his injury..

Adrien Truffert of Bournemouth is another player I like.
 
We have uncertain potential on the left side with Dorgu. Shaw could be injured or play bad all season and if Dorgu isn't up to it, we'd be in a bad position. However, we offer nothing on the right side even with all players fit. I love Maz but he should be a backup to someone better, and thats not being picky. You can rely on Dalot being the weakest link in the team and to just ignore that and accept it because of his availability is such a poor way to improve the team.

It's the same with Rashford. You can't just rely on people who you know will let you down, and expect different results. I loved both Rash and Dalot's potential but honestly they've had all the time and opportunities to iron out their weaknesses now. At some point you have to recognise the player for what he is and these guys are about 3 years off from being 30, yet we're somehow waiting on whats to come. Let these guys go and get some fresh blood in, someone hungry and willing to learn, someone with better competitive energy and clearer strengths in the game.

Seeing majority somehow accept Dalot's overall performances combined with United apparently being incapable of using the transfermarket to extensively build for the future, I can totally envision him cruising along this wave of mediocrity and reach a testimonial at the end. Scares me
 
That carlos agusto at inter seems to be quite versatile, think we'll either go for the best we can or someone who can cover a few positions l.
 
Seeing more links with Jorge Salinas today but none of them are traditionally reliable sources. My gut's telling me he is a strong possibility though. It would be around £13m (release clause).

Also we should probably use this as the lb thread instead of all the lb talk being in the Lewis Hall thread, given the potential of that move specifically looks dead
 
Seeing more links with Jorge Salinas today but none of them are traditionally reliable sources. My gut's telling me he is a strong possibility though. It would be around £13m (release clause).

Also we should probably use this as the lb thread instead of all the lb talk being in the Lewis Hall thread, given the potential of that move specifically looks dead
Wonder if he is the son of Salinas who played at Euro 96
 
We have uncertain potential on the left side with Dorgu. Shaw could be injured or play bad all season and if Dorgu isn't up to it, we'd be in a bad position. However, we offer nothing on the right side even with all players fit. I love Maz but he should be a backup to someone better, and thats not being picky. You can rely on Dalot being the weakest link in the team and to just ignore that and accept it because of his availability is such a poor way to improve the team.

It's the same with Rashford. You can't just rely on people who you know will let you down, and expect different results. I loved both Rash and Dalot's potential but honestly they've had all the time and opportunities to iron out their weaknesses now. At some point you have to recognise the player for what he is and these guys are about 3 years off from being 30, yet we're somehow waiting on whats to come. Let these guys go and get some fresh blood in, someone hungry and willing to learn, someone with better competitive energy and clearer strengths in the game.

Seeing majority somehow accept Dalot's overall performances combined with United apparently being incapable of using the transfermarket to extensively build for the future, I can totally envision him cruising along this wave of mediocrity and reach a testimonial at the end. Scares me
Agreed that dorgus potential is high. The club could be banking on molding him since Hall didn’t work out. Maz is a good backup LB. I’d prefer him over Dalot on the right but doesn’t seem he’s giving us what he did when he showed up. The lack of fullbacks in today’s market is crazy, should have sured hall up the same time as midfield signings
That carlos agusto at inter seems to be quite versatile, think we'll either go for the best we can or someone who can cover a few positions l.
Sounds expensive- how old? He’s another mediocre on both sides or what does he give
 
David Raum apparently has a 34mil release clause and is in the last year of his contract at Leipzig. We should be all over that
 
David Raum apparently has a 34mil release clause and is in the last year of his contract at Leipzig. We should be all over that

I've not seen much of him.

Do you think he can make the step up from Bundesliga?
 
David Raum apparently has a 34mil release clause and is in the last year of his contract at Leipzig. We should be all over that

Some aggregator accounts making a link to United. But he's 28. I suspect the decision makers want a more long-term replacement for Shaw (and so would I).
 
I've not seen much of him.

Do you think he can make the step up from Bundesliga?
Always a risk with any players coming from a different league. His skill set is perfect though. One of the best crossers of the ball in Europe. Would get more out of sesko given they've played together before, even off the wide overlap improve our left side with Cunha and Rashford liking to cut inside
 
Some aggregator accounts making a link to United. But he's 28. I suspect the decision makers want a more long-term replacement for Shaw (and so would I).
If we really think Dorgu is a winger rather than a FB then we realistically need a LB this summer and another new LB next summer (as Shaw's contract is running out and we really should not be extending that based in his age and reliability). Comparable but slightly different to the Maguire situation as I think he is more of a leader than Shaw, something we needed to keep hold of with Casemiro leaving, plus positionally a CB can perform to higher levels for longer - so for me it wouldn't be worth extending him.

Dream scenario would be to get Raum this summer and Hall next summer when Shaw departs.
 
Agreed that dorgus potential is high. The club could be banking on molding him since Hall didn’t work out. Maz is a good backup LB. I’d prefer him over Dalot on the right but doesn’t seem he’s giving us what he did when he showed up. The lack of fullbacks in today’s market is crazy, should have sured hall up the same time as midfield signings

Sounds expensive- how old? He’s another mediocre on both sides or what does he give
Sorry, missed this.

He's 27, so don't think he'd be and outrageous price. Strong, good in the air, good defender, decent crosser, and good on the ball. Can play CB too. Supposedly played well against shitty in their friendly too.
 
Some chatter about Methalie moving to Sunderland. I have never seen him play but he sounds hard so we should buy him.
 
David Raum anyone ? Sounds like another Vivell special....


Very good player going forward. A little older than ideal. I'd have some of the same concerns as with Robinson in that regard. Not sure how he'd do defensively. Wouldn't be my 1st choice but not necessarilly a bad option. £34m is a pretty good price for a player of his ability tbf
 
Re: Raum, That seems expensive for a 28 year old fullback to me. That's probably 2-3 seasons on average before there's some decline. Little re-sell value. I would believe it for 25M or so, but 40M seems like it would be his costs at 25/26 years old and then you get about twice as many under 31 or so age seasons, which for a fullback is probably what you're looking for.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spiel...ng=0&land_id=0&kontinent_id=0&jahr=0&yt0=Show

The list of 30 years and older fullback is pretty weak. I think it's a younger man's position now.

On the other hand, overpaying for 2-3 years of adding some non-Bruno assists to the team and letting us save Shaw's body and turning that into a position of strength doesn't seem crazy when you consider how little we've spent this summer. So, maybe bad value but there's only so many spots in the squad and if Rashford is back in and Lacey looks up to it, so really only 4th CM and an LB to challenge Shaw are left in the squad, as we probably won't be going after or able to get a proper star somewhere or a top CB who won't be injured half the time this summer anyways.
 
Some chatter about Methalie moving to Sunderland. I have never seen him play but he sounds hard so we should buy him.
I was just about to say the same thing. Kid is 20 and 6'1 and looks rapid




If we go after Joaquin Seys we should make a double swoop for Nicolo Tresoldi
 
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Would it not be worth investing the time and effort into trying to get Dorgu to learn how to play left back this season from Shaw? Then we would have Shaw + Dorgu/Maz for left-back,. Dalot + Maz for right back. Cunha + Rashford for left side attacker. Amad + Mbuemo + Lacey for right side attacker.
Then we could invest all into another CM...Wharton for example. If we got Wharton in I would rate our chances at winning the title.
 
Would it not be worth investing the time and effort into trying to get Dorgu to learn how to play left back this season from Shaw? Then we would have Shaw + Dorgu/Maz for left-back,. Dalot + Maz for right back. Cunha + Rashford for left side attacker. Amad + Mbuemo + Lacey for right side attacker.
Then we could invest all into another CM...Wharton for example. If we got Wharton in I would rate our chances at winning the title.
As someone said looking at preseason Mount has been playing at CM and Lacey as CAM. On the other hand, Dorgu has only played as winger which suggest Carrick prefers him there. Mbeumo has been a striker. So when you look at all that you'd expect we only sign a LB this month and work with options we've got in midfield and attack.
 
I can sort of understand if the price for a quality full back should be higher this year, with such little quality supply vs demand.

We are only covered to a certain extent with Shaw and Dalot.

It would be the right time to buy a big talent now, as the talent will be getting game time and having a chance of claiming a regular starting spot.
 
Raum sounds good, but I’d prefer a younger LB like Salinas or Seys if we can’t get Hall.

I think Shaw can still contribute this season, giving the younger signing time to adapt. Worst case, we can use Martinez, Maz, Dalot or Dorgu as cover if they need more time.
 
I have found an interesting player at Monaco: Christian Mawissa, 21 year old, 1.84 tall, very athletic, versatile defender who can play both LB and CB well (has even had games as LM).

If we can't have Hall, we need to get creative with the targets and I would prefer this guy over Salinas.
 
I have found an interesting player at Monaco: Christian Mawissa, 21 year old, 1.84 tall, very athletic, versatile defender who can play both LB and CB well (has even had games as LM).

If we can't have Hall, we need to get creative with the targets and I would prefer this guy over Salinas.
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Guys what do you think of Truffert from Bournemouth? I liked what I saw from him last season, do you think he would be a cheaper Hall alternative?
 
Guys what do you think of Truffert from Bournemouth? I liked what I saw from him last season, do you think he would be a cheaper Hall alternative?
I can’t see him being that much cheaper - I think they’d want 55+ for him at least.
 
Lewis Hall
Alphonso Davies
Davide Bartesaghi
Joaquin Seys
Alvaro Carreras

I'd take any of the listed. Davies is risky, but at age 25, I don't mind if the wages isn't crazy. And Davide Bartesaghi seems like a good young player, but maybe more suited to wing-back I guess.

Jorge Salinas not seen play to comment.
Alejandro Balde.. Way too injury prone.
Malick Diouf - Way too raw. But he has some potential for sure.
 
Lewis Hall
Alphonso Davies
Davide Bartesaghi
Joaquin Seys
Alvaro Carreras

I'd take any of the listed. Davies is risky, but at age 25, I don't mind if the wages isn't crazy. And Davide Bartesaghi seems like a good young player, but maybe more suited to wing-back I guess.

Jorge Salinas not seen play to comment.
Alejandro Balde.. Way too injury prone.
Malick Diouf - Way too raw. But he has some potential for sure.
It is. He also recently extended until 2030