No point lamenting about what could have been, the ship has sailed. We need to identify the big manager in football but more importantly make the structural changes that will enable a manager to succeed.
We should have hired Klopp
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Mourinho won more for us than Klopp has for Liverpool, and he wasn’t exactly Mr Popular and we found him cringeworthy at times.
the only thing cringeworthy is this post. the state of it.
we would love the guy if he was United manager, particularly if he had brought the success he has brought Liverpool. end of story. to think otherwise is utter delusion.
I don’t know much about Klopp’s private life, but even when he was at Dortmund I couldn’t stand him. I don’t understand why he’s seen as such a God on here.
But he didn't, and now he looks a genius for that comment! He's absolutely right too, United do NOT put football first, its all about the commercial bs.
Mourinho won us the Champions League? How the hell did I miss out on this that's wonderful news! And beyond trophies - did he challenge city and dominate the league? That's quite a stretch there - I find it very easy to believe why he's so highly rated in fact I find it very hard to imagine why anyone wouldn't acknowledge him. He was considered a genius in Germany too by the way - for both teams he managed.
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the only thing cringeworthy is this post. the state of it.
we would love the guy if he was United manager, particularly if he had brought the success he has brought Liverpool. end of story. to think otherwise is utter delusion.
What has he won besides Champions League. We have been bad for last 6 years, but still won more.
the only thing cringeworthy is this post. the state of it.
we would love the guy if he was United manager, particularly if he had brought the success he has brought Liverpool. end of story. to think otherwise is utter delusion.
What has he won besides Champions League. We have been bad for last 6 years, but still won more.
Not to me he doesn't. His sentiments are fine but sadly unrealistic in football's modern age.
How do people not get it, Klopp could not operate at this club. It’s not Ole, it’s not Jose, it’s not LVG. Nobody can operate efficiently under Woodward and the Glazers. If we’d got Klopp before he went to Liverpool he’d have come and gone and won nothing. He’d have got frustrated by the hierarchy offering long term contracts to players he didn’t want, he’d have got tired of Woodward taking 4 months to sign one player, he’d have got tired of interference from the commercial side, he would have had the fans on his back calling him a fraud and saying “we should have signed Pep Guardiola”. He’d have quit or been hounded out as a failure long ago. I hope Ole leaves just so I can laugh at this ridiculous charade of blaming the manager for the 5th time in under a decade. I’m sure the 6th guy will be perfect though.
What is this witchcraft?
Dear lord, is this guy serious right now? Comparing the sh!tty Carabao cup and EL to the Champions League!? I've literally heard it all now!
Klopp is a fantastic manager, without question. But the other side to his success was the patience of Liverpool in holding onto him despite finishing 8th in his first season and lack of silverware for three successive seasons, and they are now reaping the rewards. Would he have survived at United for that long with the same results and no silverware? I seriously doubt it.
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Well Liverpool don't seem to be too commercial for him, they support him and his football principles! His comments have been vindicated the last 2 seasons.
Particularly when he is at a very commercially oriented club.
Liverpool's x factor isn't Klopp - it's Anfield.
Not in comparison to the other big boys around Europe and England, Liverpool are relatively low in that list..
That's like saying Man United's X factor was just Old Trafford, not SAF at all!?
I sure hope not.
It's not a Manchester United phenomena thankfully football supporters in general are quite thick in my experience. Liverpool fans weren't lenient or patient at all while he was building his team - I had friends who got really pissed off at me because I named them crazy for screaming at him to get sacked after just a few months - calling him Jürgen Flopp and accusing me of just taking the piss for defending him
yeah, feck that guy. he's only taken Liverpool to 2 consecutive CL finals, winning one of them, pushing what was widely regarded as one of the best club sides in PL history to the final day of the season with a record points haul for a team finishing 2nd, whilst also playing entertaining and attacking football.
but i mean, yeah, we won the Europa League playing dull uninspiring football! eat shit Klopp.
Spot on.
We did try to hire him apparently.
But he said "no", because we were more focused on running the club like a business, with on-pitch performances of secondary importance.
And besides, we need to look forward, not backwards.
But he said "no", because we were more focused on running the club like a business, with on-pitch performances of secondary importance.
And besides, we need to look forward, not backwards.
On what planet are they very low, they are a top 10 club. You are not talking about Bournemouth.
SAF in real terms, and in terms of his mythology he was a hard act to follow. Presumably the thinking initially was to bring in Moyes to allow him to develop himself and the club as an SAF MkII. If that was the so called 'succession planning' it was woeful, as general management advice would be not to allow the outgoing boss to choose their replacement, it rarely works out, primarily because no matter how much the incoming manager may be a 'disciple' of the successful outgoing manager s/he is not her/him. Now any serious manager who is already in a top job, would be unlikely to leave to come to United.
Unpalatable as it may be for many, Ole is possibly our best bet at the moment. If he can clean house with the players and the board can sort out the higher level management structure within the club, who knows eventually we might attract a few 'top-notchers' once again.
Unpalatable as it may be for many, Ole is possibly our best bet at the moment. If he can clean house with the players and the board can sort out the higher level management structure within the club, who knows eventually we might attract a few 'top-notchers' once again.
This.
I would trade all the trophies we have won post Fergie for the single CL win (added with the Super cup of course), another CL final loss, the Cup final losses that hes had, second last season and being top right now 8 points clear. Its not even close. (Oh and playing CL this season too unlike us)
Saying that, if we had Klopp, I reckon he would have got frustrated with our owners / Ed. I mean Ed clearly had a galactico fetish which was just odd since the Galacticos worked due to the blend and balance that came with it. But thats another story.
A lot of us would taken to Klopp even if he is cringe cos everybody would have said 'well its cringey for others, but for us it works as hes winning'.
Like Jose during his prime, 'hes a dick, but hes our dick' or something
Saying that, if we had Klopp, I reckon he would have got frustrated with our owners / Ed. I mean Ed clearly had a galactico fetish which was just odd since the Galacticos worked due to the blend and balance that came with it. But thats another story.
A lot of us would taken to Klopp even if he is cringe cos everybody would have said 'well its cringey for others, but for us it works as hes winning'.
Like Jose during his prime, 'hes a dick, but hes our dick' or something
Wonder how Woodward would have gotten along with SAF.
I don’t believe the League Cup and Champions League were compared to the Champions League. I said “more”, not “better” in response to a message about “the amount of success Klopp has brought to Liverpool”.
Again, no I didn’t say Mourinho won us the Champions League. Although in his last season he did finish above Liverpool, or “Klopps Liverpool” as they seem to be called on here.
Didn’t Klopp lose every final he had in Germany? I may be wrong, and I could google it, but I’m on a hot, sweaty bus with the sun shining through the window and my phone feels as though it’s going to explode due to the heat.
Yes I do believe you might be suffering some kind of heat stroke if you're trying to diminish Klopp's career and especially if you're proposing that Jose was a bigger success for us than Jürgen's been at Liverpool. Get some towels mate dip them in icy cold water and twirl them around your head. It might help - either way I'm kind of worried for you
It's usually the 8th guy that ends up perfect. You gotta keep on hiring and sacking and soon you'll find the messiah
Spot on mate .
So glad we have a real winner in charge...
We would have definitely tried to sign him had he been available in the summer of 2013 or the summer of 2014.Had Klopp been available after SAF/Moyes left the club I have no doubt in my mind that we would have aggressively tried to sign him.But he was available in the summer of 2015 when LVG had just completed his 1st season at the club.
LVG had taken us back into the CL and I think the plan back then was to give LVG another 2-3 years and then appoint Giggs as the manager.The club expected LVG to rebuild the club for another couple of years before handing the baton to Giggsey...It was only when LVG failed in his 2nd season that we ditched the Giggsey plan and went for Mourinho.
Ofcourse Klopp would have been perfect for us,but unfortunately he became available at the wrong time(from our point of view).
Brilliant post that sums up the situation perfectly. Clubs choose managers, but managers also choose clubs. Over time and all things considered, Klopp seems to have been proved right. Maybe he saw what we would become under our current owners. Either way you cannot fault his decision making.
The reason we did not sign him is because of the knee jerk of fans over Moyes & Woody. If we had lept him for another 8 months or so we would have Klopp. No doubt, what were Scouserpoool doing at the time.
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Absolutely, people are too stuck in the past, time to move on.
He also won the UEFA Super Cup.
Would have been fun. Klopp says to Ed I want players that are fast, quick, of a high technical quality and can press aggressively. Ed goes out and buys players like Fellaini, Matic, Darmian, as alternatives because getting any player is better than nothing right?
Yeah. We should've signed Fabinho, Kante, Mahrez instead of signing Matic, Fred, and giving new contracts to Lingard and Mata. Hell we should've signed Messi and given him hormone treatments.
I'd say it's better to think about what we need to do going forward.
I'd say it's better to think about what we need to do going forward.
Really need to let it go, this desperate clawing at the past is exactly the sort of stuff we mocked Liverpool for.
Such a limited post.
He took over a team which wasn't his and took them to the Europa league final in the first year along-with the league cup final (which they lost on penalties). [15/16]
The second season (his first full one) they went from 8th position to 4th. [16/17]
Klopp's second season, they finished 4th again and reached the final of the Champions league. [17/18]
In the subsequent season, they ended the league 2nd, losing by 1 point (97 pts). Ended up winning the Champions league. [18/19]
Started this season with a 100% win rate and a UEFA Super cup under his belt.
If us as fans would have not seen that improvement and not had patience with him if he performed at the same level with us, then we're equally to blame for the current situation the club is in.
This post is quite something.