Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by 2 man midfield, Apr 15, 2017.
Kevin Francis, the 6 feet 7 inches ex-Stockport County player is now a police officer in Canada.
Bela Guttmann won Benfica 2 European Cups (back in 62') and then left after a dispute with the board regarding finances, famously putting a curse that the club will not win another European Cup in a 100 years.
It's been 55 years; They have reached 8 European Finals since, and lost all of them.
I was still in primary school and early secondary school at that time with no Internet access, so my memory is a bit sketchy.
What I remember was that Real Madrid put him all over the place across the midfield during the start of the Galaticos era (which was close to the 2002 World Cup) and he did not have a designated role in the club. I think what I meant that he was not a versatile player is that players at the time had a fixed natural position, and could play in other positions but were not effective at all, unlike today's players like Mikhi, Hazard or Sanchez who can play at left, center and right forward positions. I guess you could say that he was versatile for his era and he is a pioneer of what it means to be a versatile utility player.
I just checked on transfermkt and I found out that in the 2001/2002 season after Zidane came, he only started 14 La Liga games. He started quite a number of games in 1999/2000 and 2000/2001 but found himself gradually phased out under the Galaticos policy. I think like one of the posters said, Eriksson was quite stubborn with his 4-4-2 with Heskey and Owen upfront. For my CM and FIFA games, I usually selected McManaman for the England squad to do what he did at Real Madrid, that was to come on as a sub and fill roles across the entire midfield. In my opinion, I think the versatility meant that he did not start many games and was constantly thrown on as a sub or utility player, and Eriksson wanted players who were more specialized or played more often, which was why he took Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Becks, Butt and Sinclair. Because of this insistence, he actually went to the World Cup with no left winger.
Winning Europa league means you are the 17th best team in Europe...
Maxwell (occasional Ajax, Inter, Barcelona and PSG left-back) is the most decorated player in football history.
Is that counting a load of super cups?
I would be surprised if he was to be honest.
It is, but so are the tallies of all of his competitors.
fecking hell, he is! He's won 36 trophies in his career. Most ever by one player.
Copa do Brasil (1): 2000
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (2): 2001–02, 2005–06
Johan Cruyff Shield (2): 2002, 2005
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
La Liga (2): 2009–10, 2010–11
Supercopa de España (3): 2009, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (1): 2010–11
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2009, 2011
FIFA Club World Cup (2): 2009, 2011
Ligue 1 (4): 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
Coupe de France (2): 2014–15, 2015–16
Coupe de la Ligue (4): 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016-17
Trophée des champions (4): 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Dutch Footballer of the Year (1): 2003–04
Dutch Golden Shoe (1): 2003–04
Ligue 1 Team of the Year (4): 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
Well yes but Maxwell has an unusually large amount of them 13. If you were to compare him to say Giggs and just count League titles, national cups and european trophies then it's 23-21 by my count (i think). Thats not counting Club World Cups, which you could include but they've both won two each so it wouldn't make a difference.
But i'm just being a bit pedantic i know, he's had some career all the same. Had no idea he's been so successful.
Liverpool used to dominate English football
Arsenals "Invincibles" lost more games that season than united did in 1998/99 (6v4)
we managed to snag a couple more trophies too
Related to the invincibles, another weird stat is that while it was United's worst PL era season ever under Fergie, we were top of the table after the halfway point of the season...and Arsenal got 45 points in their first/final 19 games.
We really collapsed during the second half of that year.
Fabio played in a Champions League final
Julio Cesar played for QPR who finished 20th in the league
Stefan Schwarz (when at Sunderland) had a "Space Clause" in his contract that stated that he could not travel into space or it would invalidate his contract
Charlton are the only side to reach an FA Cup final, having lost a game in the earlier rounds (1946).
The final game of next season's PL will be the 1,000th PL game for United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs & Everton.
DDG is 0.5 games under 50% of the number of apps for United's most 'capped' goalkeeper. Stepney 539apps, DDG 269.
Liverpool only lost twice in 2008/09 league season. But were comfortably second.
Under Sir Alex Ferguson Manchester United spent 22 consecutive seasons finishing in the top 3. Since he left they've finished no higher than 4th (once).
Eh? He's won it 3 times or are you just trolling?
Notts Forest are the only (European?) team to have more continental titles than domestic ones.
Atletico Madrid are the only side to have a World Club title, but no continental title (Bayern were to play, but because of the history of violence around that time, chose not to. I think Bayern were allowed to nominate a team and went for Atletico).
The Brazilian one.
Ah. Fat Ronaldo. Makes sense now.
Every time a player is linked United with that the fans really like, you will hear nice stuff about him.
But, once that player leaves for other clubs, he is shite........
Latest victim: Bernardo Silva and Alvaro Morata(potentially)
John Terry having more goals than Iniesta is the biggest shocker here.
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28 years old in 3 days, with his talent level...
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Bruce also scored more league goals for ManUtd than Iniesta did for Barca.
Only once have Sevilla ended up at 3rd place in a CL group stage. It happened in the 2015/16 season, when they participated in group of death along with Man City, Juventus, Mönchengladbach.
Steve Bruce took penalties-that's weird enough on its own merit.
Old bump so apologies.
But just learnt that Aguero has only been included in the PFA team of the year once in his time here despite him being consistently one of the best strikers for 6 years...
That's crazy, he's been arguably the best striker in the league the whole time. Only Suarez or RvP were on his level.
I thought so too! As a comparison Walker has been included 3 times. Gerrard 8 and Neville 6.
Griezmann had won more La Liga Player of the Month awards than Lionel Messi and Cristiano.
Injuries and competition. He had Rooney RVP Kane Suarez Costa plus his injuries. Of course Vardy also for THAT season. People will claim he was better than Rooney but at his pomp, I can see Rooney getting the nod on some occasions
2010 Rooney yes, but since Aguero moved to the PL he only had one good season.
Just read that Ashley Cole won more league titles with Arsenal than he did with Chelsea. Bizarre.
David Luiz is one of the best passers in the Premiere league.
Yup, 2-1 according to Wiki. I'd never have guessed that.
Matt Busby the Manchester united legend played football for Liverpool and Manchester City.
The 3-0 win over Olympiacos in the Moyes season is United’s only win in the knockout stages of the Champions League since reaching the final in 2011.
That doesn't actually sound that weird any more unfortunately. We're CL also-rans at the minute.
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