Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Tony Blair saying benefits to easy to game and need 'emergency handbrake' on the system.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair​

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/block-people-anxiety-adhd-claiming-050000167.html
Blair going full on cnut mode. He’s had his nose too far up trumps ass
 
To encourage people to save rather than spaffing their money on hookers and coke? Why does it bother you?
It's nice to have the choice of blowing money on coke and hookers or stuffing it into an ISA. You pay tax on neither of them. Whereas the person working full time making min wage will still end up paying more tax than they can realistically afford and can only dream of hookers and coke. Or an ISA.
 
Sounds like it is more of a semantics argument than an argument for or against anything. Just my reading, though.

Would be a brave position for a party to take to get rid of ISAs going into an election, anyway.
Would just cause everyone to liquidate their ISAs just before the law happens, effectively resetting their stocks entry price to their current value.

And making people invest a bit less.

I do not get why they do not make ISA UK-businesses only, or increase some part of it to be exclusive to investing in the UK market. I love investing in the US, but from UK point of view, encouraging people to invest in the UK seems a no-brainer to me.
 
It's nice to have the choice of blowing money on coke and hookers or stuffing it into an ISA. You pay tax on neither of them. Whereas the person working full time making min wage will still end up paying more tax than they can realistically afford and can only dream of hookers and coke. Or an ISA.

We all dream of hookers and coke!

This is not the super rich or even rich you are castigating.
 
Would just cause everyone to liquidate their ISAs just before the law happens, effectively resetting their stocks entry price to their current value.

And making people invest a bit less.

I do not get why they do not make ISA UK-businesses only, or increase some part of it to be exclusive to investing in the UK market. I love investing in the US, but from UK point of view, encouraging people to invest in the UK seems a no-brainer to me.

They tried it a few years ago, it was called the British ISA remember and absolutely no one wanted it. I sat on some consultation calls for it and I can tell you it was very dimly received.

If the government wants to support investment into the UK they have the means without messing with financial products. Gilts are already there for public infrastructure spending but that would be an accountable action and politicians sure do hate those. Most of the investment the UK needs isn't super profitable so gilts makes more sense than relying on direct private investment.
 
I do find it hypocritical how often those on the right laud those who game the system to evade tax and then castigate benefit claimants.

One is a wealthy person stealing from the taxpayer the other is a poor and likely desparate person. I know who deserves more scorn.
 
I do find it hypocritical how often those on the right laud those who game the system to evade tax and then castigate benefit claimants.

One is a wealthy person stealing from the taxpayer the other is a poor and likely desparate person. I know who deserves more scorn.
Well said. And people on benefits are more likely to spend money and have that money circulate back into the system.
 
They tried it a few years ago, it was called the British ISA remember and absolutely no one wanted it. I sat on some consultation calls for it and I can tell you it was very dimly received.

If the government wants to support investment into the UK they have the means without messing with financial products. Gilts are already there for public infrastructure spending but that would be an accountable action and politicians sure do hate those. Most of the investment the UK needs isn't super profitable so gilts makes more sense than relying on direct private investment.
I think it was more that it would only benefit wealthier folk and have limited impact on the UK market.

The plan was it'd be an allowance in addition to your regular £20k allowance, but realistically only folk who'd maxed out their regular ISA would use it, given the restrictions. For rich folk it'd have been extra allowance, so welcomed.

It wasn't a terrible idea, but the ISA landscape was crowded enough already and it needed designing differently.
 
I think it was more that it would only benefit wealthier folk and have limited impact on the UK market.

The plan was it'd be an allowance in addition to your regular £20k allowance, but realistically only folk who'd maxed out their regular ISA would use it, given the restrictions. For rich folk it'd have been extra allowance, so welcomed.

It wasn't a terrible idea, but the ISA landscape was crowded enough already and it needed designing differently.

Well the other side of it is that it costs a fortune for providers to change their systems to support all these random ISA variants. LISA and even CTFs all end up with very few providers due to cost.

If you can't get providers on side then these initiatives quickly die off.
 
GB News commentator to sue charity for not offering internships to white people

Sophie Corcoran challenging 10,000 Interns Foundation, which works with people from under-represented groups

https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...ffering-internships-white-people-legal-action

An influencer is taking a charity that organises internships for black and minority ethnic people to court because they do not organise schemes for white people.

Sophie Corcoran, a GB News commentator, applied to a programme the 10,000 Interns Foundation was running with the Bar Council.

She said she was “shocked to discover that the scheme is restricted to applicants of a particular racial background”.

The Guardian understands the internship charity has received a legal letter outlining Corcoran’s intent to sue, and on Wednesday responded. The suit is claiming that she has faced loss of employment opportunity as she is white, and discrimination under the basis of the Equality Act.

Corcoran said she had been “exploring a legal career” and therefore applied to the £14.80-an-hour internship scheme run by the 10,000 Interns Foundation programme and the Bar Council, but was rejected.

She said: “This case is not simply about my own experience. I am pursuing it because I believe that no person in Britain should be denied opportunities because of the colour of their skin. I believe strongly that equality before the law must apply to everyone. Through this case, I hope to challenge practices that discriminate on racial grounds and to reinforce the principle that fairness and equal treatment should apply to all.”

Corcoran’s challenge has been backed by the Restore Britain MP Rupert Lowe, who described the internship scheme as “vile, anti-white racism” and “racist filth”.

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This paid internship scheme was created in 2020 with the support of the Bar Council and other organisations. It is a registered charity so it is regulated. The whole point in the legal sector was to try and become more representative. The Equality Act allows for positive action to address under representation of specific groups (sections 158 and 159).

This is both predictable and depressing.
 
Politics of envy
Who the feck is envious of Farage?
GB News commentator to sue charity for not offering internships to white people

Sophie Corcoran challenging 10,000 Interns Foundation, which works with people from under-represented groups

https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...ffering-internships-white-people-legal-action

An influencer is taking a charity that organises internships for black and minority ethnic people to court because they do not organise schemes for white people.

Sophie Corcoran, a GB News commentator, applied to a programme the 10,000 Interns Foundation was running with the Bar Council.

She said she was “shocked to discover that the scheme is restricted to applicants of a particular racial background”.

The Guardian understands the internship charity has received a legal letter outlining Corcoran’s intent to sue, and on Wednesday responded. The suit is claiming that she has faced loss of employment opportunity as she is white, and discrimination under the basis of the Equality Act.

Corcoran said she had been “exploring a legal career” and therefore applied to the £14.80-an-hour internship scheme run by the 10,000 Interns Foundation programme and the Bar Council, but was rejected.

She said: “This case is not simply about my own experience. I am pursuing it because I believe that no person in Britain should be denied opportunities because of the colour of their skin. I believe strongly that equality before the law must apply to everyone. Through this case, I hope to challenge practices that discriminate on racial grounds and to reinforce the principle that fairness and equal treatment should apply to all.”

Corcoran’s challenge has been backed by the Restore Britain MP Rupert Lowe, who described the internship scheme as “vile, anti-white racism” and “racist filth”.

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This paid internship scheme was created in 2020 with the support of the Bar Council and other organisations. It is a registered charity so it is regulated. The whole point in the legal sector was to try and become more representative. The Equality Act allows for positive action to address under representation of specific groups (sections 158 and 159).

This is both predictable and depressing.
White people are not under-represented. I’m fed up of these racist cnuts and their opposition to anything that helps non-white people.
 
Filled in my ballot today for my local Green candidate. None of the standing candidates made much effort other than a brief policy release in my area but in the surrounding areas the Green candidates are the standouts. Either way this is the best option to give Labour a kicking, outside of voting for the other fascist parties.
 
GB News commentator to sue charity for not offering internships to white people

Sophie Corcoran challenging 10,000 Interns Foundation, which works with people from under-represented groups

https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...ffering-internships-white-people-legal-action

An influencer is taking a charity that organises internships for black and minority ethnic people to court because they do not organise schemes for white people.

Sophie Corcoran, a GB News commentator, applied to a programme the 10,000 Interns Foundation was running with the Bar Council.

She said she was “shocked to discover that the scheme is restricted to applicants of a particular racial background”.

The Guardian understands the internship charity has received a legal letter outlining Corcoran’s intent to sue, and on Wednesday responded. The suit is claiming that she has faced loss of employment opportunity as she is white, and discrimination under the basis of the Equality Act.

Corcoran said she had been “exploring a legal career” and therefore applied to the £14.80-an-hour internship scheme run by the 10,000 Interns Foundation programme and the Bar Council, but was rejected.

She said: “This case is not simply about my own experience. I am pursuing it because I believe that no person in Britain should be denied opportunities because of the colour of their skin. I believe strongly that equality before the law must apply to everyone. Through this case, I hope to challenge practices that discriminate on racial grounds and to reinforce the principle that fairness and equal treatment should apply to all.”

Corcoran’s challenge has been backed by the Restore Britain MP Rupert Lowe, who described the internship scheme as “vile, anti-white racism” and “racist filth”.

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This paid internship scheme was created in 2020 with the support of the Bar Council and other organisations. It is a registered charity so it is regulated. The whole point in the legal sector was to try and become more representative. The Equality Act allows for positive action to address under representation of specific groups (sections 158 and 159).

This is both predictable and depressing.
It is depressing that some genuinely think schemes promoting underrepresented minorities are the problem, not the insidious, institutionalised racism that necessitates them. She's clearly a vile attention-seeker, but I've seen otherwise pleasant and normal investment professionals I deal with go on a rant about the lack of opportunities for white males cos their kid is struggling to get onto a grad scheme after uni.
 
I can’t remember the thread but I do remember this becoming an argument on here where someone was accused of xenophobia for suggesting this to be the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vape-shops-gangs-trading-standards-b2967330.html

I would say it’s been flagrantly obvious well before this report that high streets around the country didn’t suddenly develop an insatiable appetite for vape shops, Kurdish barbers and American candy shops.
 
I can’t remember the thread but I do remember this becoming an argument on here where someone was accused of xenophobia for suggesting this to be the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vape-shops-gangs-trading-standards-b2967330.html

I would say it’s been flagrantly obvious well before this report that high streets around the country didn’t suddenly develop an insatiable appetite for vape shops, Kurdish barbers and American candy shops.

I would think this would be so easy to stop, councils should have a criteria to allow a shop to open and continue to remain so. Probably happy to just to collect rates, and turn a blind eye.

Having briefly read the article, everyone is aware!
 
HMRC would have it that benefit fraud costs more than tax avoidance, but both are missing the point.

There are a hundreds of loopholes corporations can legally take advantage of, and does somebody with ADHD/anxiety/other truly need benefit payments? Both of those account for far more expenditure.
The tax gap is estimated at £46 billion, benefit fraud is about £6.5bn. So the tax gap is significantly more of an issue for public finances.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring-tax-gaps/1-tax-gaps-summary#overview

As for whether someone with ADHD/anxiety/other truly needs benefit payments, what do you suggest they do if they are unable to get a job, or can only work limited hours due to health issues? Are you suggesting a return to the workhouses? Or should they just be begging in the city centres? Or suicide maybe?
 
I didn't mentioned the undiagnosed. That's a whole other issue.
how do you propose to differentiate between those fit for work and those who are not? Because this has been done before, and ran by people with the same "hot take" as you. It didnt end well.

Thousands have died after being found fit for work, DWP figures show
This article is more than 10 years old
Campaigners demand welfare overhaul after statistics reveal 2,380 people died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared able to work

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
 
Benefits is complex as it's not really about benefit fraud, even as much as that costs us nearly a billion a year from a quick Google. it's about how many people are incentivised not to enter the work force because benefits are too generous or easy to obtain, it's about whether the reward for people who want to take advantage of the system is too tempting and - with horrendous rises in cost of living - it's something we are seeing more and more of. We're now at over a 10th of the population of the UK on Universal Credit, we're getting close to 5% of GDP in terms of broader beenfits per year. That's insane.

Re corp tax, of course. Though I get that one is a hard line to walk for the gov as - using an obvious example - Amazon was estimated to be skimping hundreds of millions on tax in 2024 but they also do pay many millions in tax. It's more of a balancing act of getting tougher on them without getting the backlash of them moving business out of the UK. I personally think they should just lower corp tax to try and stimulate some growth and then just ensure they are enforcing the big multi nationals to pay. If you start getting Amazon etc. to pay what they owe, it's much more valuable even if like 15% than screwing over SMEs at 25% and letting the big guys dodge tax.
The problem is that a third of people claiming universal credit are in work. So the problem is twofold, not only are many large companies not paying enough tax (the current tax gap is over £45bn), but they are also underpaying staff so their wages need to be topped up by the government.

People "taking advantage of the system", benefit fraud is only 2% of total benefit spending, so it's a bit of a myth as to how significant that really is. Sure, you get the odd anamoly the the media hype into a big story. But that's not the real picture.
 
Phase 1

Kick people off benefits and lower corporate tax

Phase 2

????

Phase 3

Growth and Bezos for some reason pays more tax.
 
I can’t remember the thread but I do remember this becoming an argument on here where someone was accused of xenophobia for suggesting this to be the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vape-shops-gangs-trading-standards-b2967330.html

I would say it’s been flagrantly obvious well before this report that high streets around the country didn’t suddenly develop an insatiable appetite for vape shops, Kurdish barbers and American candy shops.
It's a very wishy-washy article though. Shops are 'suspected' and they 'may be' illicit and officers are 'aware of suspicions'.

If stuff is actually happening, why can't they charge people instead of just suspect them? Literally nobody would be against that.
 
The problem is that a third of people claiming universal credit are in work. So the problem is twofold, not only are many large companies not paying enough tax (the current tax gap is over £45bn), but they are also underpaying staff so their wages need to be topped up by the government.

People "taking advantage of the system", benefit fraud is only 2% of total benefit spending, so it's a bit of a myth as to how significant that really is. Sure, you get the odd anamoly the the media hype into a big story. But that's not the real picture.
The first one is the real problem. Wages are way too low for many, even earning a good salary in many cities leaves you living relatively month to month. The reality is many are emigrating purely due to cost of living in my opinion vs whatever Reform will have you believe. The country has become an awful mix of incredibly high cost of living, good but declining public services and ok wages. So you feel it's not that bad but you know it is gradually getting worse and it seems irrational to think it might actually improve.

Re taking advantage, you are talking about how many are proven to be doing so which is near impossible with mental illness. The issue is you can't really prove if someone is being dishonest. If 100 people all claim to suffer from severe anxiety, all 100 could (regardless of if they were telling the truth or not) easily present symptoms of anxiety and get a doctor to agree they had at least some degree of anxiety or depression etc.