Westminster Politics 2024-2029

I assume they’re trying to firm up what they have before the elections and pinch a few voters back from Restore who think they’ve gone soft.

The number of ‘:lol::lol::lol: Genius!!’ replies make me want to pull my hair out.
 
That’s not really true. Many countries tax wealth, just not through one simple “wealth tax”.

The most workable options are usually inheritance reform, capital gains reform, property/land value taxes, exit taxes, and possibly a one-off tax on very high net worth individuals. Annual wealth taxes are harder, but saying wealth can’t be taxed isn’t accurate.

True, and the UK already raises more from taxes on wealth than every country that directly taxes wealth, and every other OECD country. The solution is not to add more.
 
Literal concentration camps.

And referring to people as “illegals” is dehumanising as feck.
People don't like it morally, but the detention centre option is the only viable option. There has to be some kind of deterrent - the gov already has 6500 illegal migrants entering the UK this year - that is with the French supposedly doing their bit with us paying them £600m+ to stop boats.

This is the UK in 2026, it would not be a 'literal' concentration camp. What is the alternate solution?
 
There are actually people up and down the country voting for this shite.


:lol:Their ability to find so many oiks with incredibly punchable faces is quite something.
 
True, and the UK already raises more from taxes on wealth than every country that directly taxes wealth, and every other OECD country. The solution is not to add more.
The UK taxes housing, not wealth. Other countries directly tax large fortunes.

Given UK wealth inequality is among the highest in developed countries, arguing we shouldn’t tax wealth more is hard to justify.
 
True, and the UK already raises more from taxes on wealth than every country that directly taxes wealth, and every other OECD country. The solution is not to add more.
Why not?

The top 5/1/0.1% have come out of every major financial crisis in (at least) my lifetime better off than they entered them. We need to get this genie back on the proverbial bottle.
 
People don't like it morally, but the detention centre option is the only viable option. There has to be some kind of deterrent - the gov already has 6500 illegal migrants entering the UK this year - that is with the French supposedly doing their bit with us paying them £600m+ to stop boats.

This is the UK in 2026, it would not be a 'literal' concentration camp. What is the alternate solution?

Perhaps don't criminalise the act of seeking asylum, which is actually protected under international law, and then they wouldn't be "illegals"? Or, y'know, spend the money on actually processing the fecking asylum claim quickly so you can either let them get to work or send them back instead of pissing about and fearmongering about the ungeziefer.
 
Perhaps don't criminalise the act of seeking asylum, which is actually protected under international law, and then they wouldn't be "illegals"? Or, y'know, spend the money on actually processing the fecking asylum claim quickly so you can either let them get to work or send them back instead of pissing about and fearmongering about the ungeziefer.
Sure, in an ideal world we could house all the asylum seekers who need help but it is a fantasy. We should (and do) help many thousands. Even if we magically stopped any and all immigration we have a huge issue with housing already, particularly for those at the lower end of the income bracket who need social housing/support.

The issue is the scale, if you get asylum you get accommodation, if you do not get asylum you also get accommodation, then you appeal and you get put in a queue of 100s of thousands waiting.
 
People don't like it morally, but the detention centre option is the only viable option. There has to be some kind of deterrent - the gov already has 6500 illegal migrants entering the UK this year - that is with the French supposedly doing their bit with us paying them £600m+ to stop boats.

This is the UK in 2026, it would not be a 'literal' concentration camp. What is the alternate solution?
You're seemingly not getting what an illegal immigrant is. It's not just a blanket term for everyone who arrives on small boats. It's a specific legal term and it only applies to migrants who've been processed and denied.
 
Sure, in an ideal world we could house all the asylum seekers who need help but it is a fantasy. We should (and do) help many thousands. Even if we magically stopped any and all immigration we have a huge issue with housing already, particularly for those at the lower end of the income bracket who need social housing/support.

The issue is the scale, if you get asylum you get accommodation, if you do not get asylum you also get accommodation, then you appeal and you get put in a queue of 100s of thousands waiting.

Ok so in 2025 there were somewhere in the realm of 30-40,000 asylum seekers and the cost of housing them was estimated at somewhere around 1-£1.5bn(!). The total cost of the UK courts system in 24-25 was a bit over £9bn, hearing around 6m cases. At that rate, what extra investigatory legal resources would you need in order to be able to hear those 30-40000 cases and appeals all within say 3-6 months? It wouldn't be £0.75bn I don't think!

The whole asylum and immigration system is designed to be a feck up so that you end up talking about "illegals" instead of considering the vandalism that has really gone on i.e. the sabotaging of the justice system, the scandalous accommodation contracts handed out, and the failure to build sufficient housing for the country as a whole.
 
Ok so in 2025 there were somewhere in the realm of 30-40,000 asylum seekers and the cost of housing them was estimated at somewhere around 1-£1.5bn(!). The total cost of the UK courts system in 24-25 was a bit over £9bn, hearing around 6m cases. At that rate, what extra investigatory legal resources would you need in order to be able to hear those 30-40000 cases and appeals all within say 3-6 months? It wouldn't be £0.75bn I don't think!

The whole asylum and immigration system is designed to be a feck up so that you end up talking about "illegals" instead of considering the vandalism that has really gone on i.e. the sabotaging of the justice system, the scandalous accommodation contracts handed out, and the failure to build sufficient housing for the country as a whole.
I agree with that, with one exception - we have fractionally more houses per person now than we had 20 years ago. The problem isn't numbers, it's prices and not replacing council houses. Too many homes that councils require to house people are rented from private landlords at obscene prices, because they have no other choice. Instead of people seeing that as a root cause of most of our problems, it's easier to believe it's all because of immigration.
 
I agree with that, with one exception - we have fractionally more houses per person now than we had 20 years ago. The problem isn't numbers, it's prices and not replacing council houses. Too many homes that councils require to house people are rented from private landlords at obscene prices, because they have no other choice. Instead of people seeing that as a root cause of most of our problems, it's easier to believe it's all because of immigration.

Well that too is a big problem yes. I see you possibly subscribe to "the housing theory of everything" too.
 
You're seemingly not getting what an illegal immigrant is. It's not just a blanket term for everyone who arrives on small boats. It's a specific legal term and it only applies to migrants who've been processed and denied.
Not sure I follow. The point of the detention centre would be for anyone awaiting deportation - Reform have previously said anyone coming on a small boat would be detained + deported so I assume anyone awaiting deportation includes anyone arriving on a small boat. I am sure there will be people amongst those who arrive who successfully claim asylum (many do so I doubt it will change that much even if Reform get into power as the law will be hard to get around). What any gov can do, and seems the only real fair option, is to at least stop using as much housing for migrants in general whilst simultaneously completely removing the risk of the small minority of bad migrants escaping/being able to move freely around local communities. It doesn't need to be a prison which is what the 'concentration camp' point alluded to, it would just like an army barracks in that there'd be accommodation, canteens, toilets etc. but it would be enclosed.
 
I agree with that, with one exception - we have fractionally more houses per person now than we had 20 years ago. The problem isn't numbers, it's prices and not replacing council houses. Too many homes that councils require to house people are rented from private landlords at obscene prices, because they have no other choice. Instead of people seeing that as a root cause of most of our problems, it's easier to believe it's all because of immigration.
Yep. To make things worse, councils also buy up the cheaper homes (thus stopping people getting on the lower end of the property ladder) because of the shortage of social housing. It's not really about immigration specifically, there's a host of issues combining, but there are some easier fixes i.e. stopping housing migrants in hotels, social housing etc. and also making it harder for landlords to rinse people of money (which to be fair has recently got a bit better).
 
Ok so in 2025 there were somewhere in the realm of 30-40,000 asylum seekers and the cost of housing them was estimated at somewhere around 1-£1.5bn(!). The total cost of the UK courts system in 24-25 was a bit over £9bn, hearing around 6m cases. At that rate, what extra investigatory legal resources would you need in order to be able to hear those 30-40000 cases and appeals all within say 3-6 months? It wouldn't be £0.75bn I don't think!

The whole asylum and immigration system is designed to be a feck up so that you end up talking about "illegals" instead of considering the vandalism that has really gone on i.e. the sabotaging of the justice system, the scandalous accommodation contracts handed out, and the failure to build sufficient housing for the country as a whole.

It’s all a conspiracy!

Come on, it’s incompetence from successive governments. There’s no design of the asylum system, let alone a design that covers up other incompetences, that would require, well, competence and planning… This is just burying your head in the sand.
 
It’s all a conspiracy!

Come on, it’s incompetence from successive governments. There’s no design of the asylum system, let alone a design that covers up other incompetences, that would require, well, competence and planning… This is just burying your head in the sand.

Because you think they didn't deliberately make it impossible to claim asylum through legal routes? It's pretty obvious when you think about it for more than 5 seconds that it's a deliberate distraction technique yes. Austerity was also deliberate vandalism of the state too, with plenty of added incompetence thrown in on top for sure. But I'm the one with my head in the sand.
 
Because you think they didn't deliberately make it impossible to claim asylum through legal routes? It's pretty obvious when you think about it for more than 5 seconds that it's a deliberate distraction technique yes. Austerity was also deliberate vandalism of the state too, with plenty of added incompetence thrown in on top for sure. But I'm the one with my head in the sand.

It’s not a distraction technique, it’s just gross incompetence across the board.

You’re mixing up deliberate policy choices with a coordinated conspiracy.

Government has made it harder to claim asylum and underfunded the system.

But the idea that the whole asylum system is designed as a distraction to cover up housing failures or hotel contracts doesn’t stack up, as clearly tjise problems came later and are consequences of backlog, not the purpose of the system.
 
Badenoch, Ed Davey and Farage (hilariously) have been doing the rounds going on about ‘the left and their problem with antisemitism’ - not one of them have called out The Times for their genuinely antisemitic depiction of Polanski over the weekend.

Funny that ain’t it?
 
Badenoch, Ed Davey and Farage (hilariously) have been doing the rounds going on about ‘the left and their problem with antisemitism’ - not one of them have called out The Times for their genuinely antisemitic depiction of Polanski over the weekend.

Funny that ain’t it?
It’s all projection.
 
It’s all a conspiracy!

Come on, it’s incompetence from successive governments.
If it is just a conspiracy, it is not an effective one; neither is it just incompetence, if anything it is both.... an incompetent conspiracy!

Immigration for Britain was never a really 'toxic issue' until the late 50's when Enoch Powell; made it about about 'race'.
There have been plenty of examples over the years where properly planned 'immigration packages' have worked because the numbers coming were within a known/manageable figure, the reasons for their arrival were often quite clear they were either refugees escaping from war, or other forms of oppression, political and/or social and there was a process/procedure in place, that with proper forward planning could accommodate such immigration.

The main 'ignition-point' for the current malaise/toxicity over immigration was the 'freedom of movement' issues arising from Treaties imposed by the EU, that the British government had never sought approval from its populace, but where other EU countries did. This setup alternatives for many desperate people (and criminals) to exploit, once you got into the EU you could (in theory at least) move to any EU country you like.

Since then in the UK, with more and more people overstaying their permits, and an increase in turmoil around the world, successive governments who didn't want to (or could not) deal with these problems, lost their way completely, failing both would be immigrants, and those already here and opening the doors to a form of politics not seen in this country since the dark ages.

We are now about to reap the whirlwind, the 'Brexit debacle' was nothing compared to what is likely to arise, with Reform (moving us to the right) on one side and the Greens (the new left) moving us on the other flank.
 
Badenoch, Ed Davey and Farage (hilariously) have been doing the rounds going on about ‘the left and their problem with antisemitism’ - not one of them have called out The Times for their genuinely antisemitic depiction of Polanski over the weekend.

Funny that ain’t it?
The Times is pretty rabidly pro-Israel, so maybe people are overegging the cartoon.
 
The UK taxes housing, not wealth. Other countries directly tax large fortunes.

Given UK wealth inequality is among the highest in developed countries, arguing we shouldn’t tax wealth more is hard to justify.

And those direct wealth taxes have generally failed. Theyre either rowed back on, reduced, or offered alongside low rates elsewhere.

We dont need another tax. All we need to do is simplify the taxes we have. Its hard for die hard socialists to comprehend but lower and simpler taxes always leads to increased tax collection.
 
If it is just a conspiracy, it is not an effective one; neither is it just incompetence, if anything it is both.... an incompetent conspiracy!

Immigration for Britain was never a really 'toxic issue' until the late 50's when Enoch Powell; made it about about 'race'.
There have been plenty of examples over the years where properly planned 'immigration packages' have worked because the numbers coming were within a known/manageable figure, the reasons for their arrival were often quite clear they were either refugees escaping from war, or other forms of oppression, political and/or social and there was a process/procedure in place, that with proper forward planning could accommodate such immigration.

The main 'ignition-point' for the current malaise/toxicity over immigration was the 'freedom of movement' issues arising from Treaties imposed by the EU, that the British government had never sought approval from its populace, but where other EU countries did. This setup alternatives for many desperate people (and criminals) to exploit, once you got into the EU you could (in theory at least) move to any EU country you like.

Since then in the UK, with more and more people overstaying their permits, and an increase in turmoil around the world, successive governments who didn't want to (or could not) deal with these problems, lost their way completely, failing both would be immigrants, and those already here and opening the doors to a form of politics not seen in this country since the dark ages.

We are now about to reap the whirlwind, the 'Brexit debacle' was nothing compared to what is likely to arise, with Reform (moving us to the right) on one side and the Greens (the new left) moving us on the other flank.
I think you need to move your start date back from the 1950s. Immigration and emigration were always about race. The Aliens Act 1905 for example was passed to limit the number of Russian Jews who could reach the UK.

The British people and British politics have been anti immigration for well over a century. White emigration to the Empire and settlement were always treated differently.

The 1940s and 1950s are important because that is a start point for British people of colour moving from the colonies to the Metropole. Churchill was going to campaign in the 1955 election on the slogan 'Keep Britain White's until he was talked out of it. Attlee tried very hard to divert the Empire Windrush to East Africa.

Tl;Dr - contemporary policies against migrants and refugees are absolutely nothing new.
 
I think you need to move your start date back from the 1950s. Immigration and emigration were always about race. The Aliens Act 1905 for example was passed to limit the number of Russian Jews who could reach the UK.

The British people and British politics have been anti immigration for well over a century. White emigration to the Empire and settlement were always treated differently.

The 1940s and 1950s are important because that is a start point for British people of colour moving from the colonies to the Metropole. Churchill was going to campaign in the 1955 election on the slogan 'Keep Britain White's until he was talked out of it. Attlee tried very hard to divert the Empire Windrush to East Africa.

Tl;Dr - contemporary policies against migrants and refugees are absolutely nothing new.
Quite true.... but the subject became 'openly toxic' via Enoch Powell and if you go back far enough enforced emigration (Australia etc.) was a favourite way of disposing of the unwanted, whatever their race. Therefore the question is... Will the Rwanda scheme make a comeback under Reform?
 
It’s not a distraction technique, it’s just gross incompetence across the board.

You’re mixing up deliberate policy choices with a coordinated conspiracy.

Government has made it harder to claim asylum and underfunded the system.

But the idea that the whole asylum system is designed as a distraction to cover up housing failures or hotel contracts doesn’t stack up, as clearly tjise problems came later and are consequences of backlog, not the purpose of the system.

It's very sweet of you to believe that it was all just a tragic error for the Conservatives to pass a law banning the processing of asylum claims but I think if you consider it again, you might wonder whether it could have been deliberate...

https://righttoremain.org.uk/illegal-migration-act-ban-on-processing-asylum-claims-lifted/
 
And those direct wealth taxes have generally failed. Theyre either rowed back on, reduced, or offered alongside low rates elsewhere.

We dont need another tax. All we need to do is simplify the taxes we have. Its hard for die hard socialists to comprehend but lower and simpler taxes always leads to increased tax collection.
That’s selective. Some wealth taxes were scrapped, others still work it depends on design, not ideology. Switzerland raises circa 1% of GDP from wealth taxes. Norway and Spain also still operate them.

Simpler taxes help tax collection, yes. But “lower taxes always increase revenue” isn’t supported by evidence.

So what’s your actual solution to wealth inequality?

And the idea the very wealthy can just leave is overstated much of their wealth is tied up in assets that can still be taxed.
 
So this was passed with the intention of diverting attention away from hotel contracts?

Attention away from the many many different forms of incompetence, corruption, and malevolence they were/had been overseeing yes. For other examples of this type of thing see Trump, D.