Westminster Politics 2024-2029

F-Red said:
Burnham is not without controversy in Manchester. Watch the Renaker story go full throttle if Burnham gets a sniff of Number 10.
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True - there are some people around here who can't stand him, but when asked why, the reasons are always about stuff he had absolutely nothing to do with. They get fed a load of right wing, anti-labour nonsense and just repeat it ad nauseam.

You'll get people blaming him for the Rochdale rape gangs, despite the fact he was the MP for Leigh at the time, people blaming him for the clean air zone fiasco and blaming him for a missed bin collection.

Still, he seems like the only choice. Best of a very bland bunch.
 
Jippy said:
No it doesn't, but you could argue it'd be strange to be pro-Israel and rabidly antisemitic. The paper is certainly gunning for Polanski right now, but I don't think the cartoon is anywhere near the '30s trope you do.
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Other people have covered this better than me.
I feel like donald trump is probably quite antisemitic and pro israel. Probably a positive form of discrimination in his distorted brain, with him trying to keep the all powerful jewish cabal onside.

I dont like considering donald trumps view of the world, its quite grim and i feel like i need a shower now.
 
caid said:
Other people have covered this better than me.
I feel like donald trump is probably quite antisemitic and pro israel. Probably a positive form of discrimination in his distorted brain, with him trying to keep the all powerful jewish cabal onside.

I dont like considering donald trumps view of the world, its quite grim and i feel like i need a shower now.
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Richard Spencer is another example of an antisemitic Zionist.
 
Buster15 said:
The right wing media are positively salivating at the prospect of a disaster for Labour.
And then of course, they will be pushing really hard for Starmer to be removed.
The real question is....who would replace him. I don't have a clue who. Normally there is someone waiting in the wings
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From the RW media perspective, Starmer staying in the job you would think benefits them more, his ousting could pave the way for Burnham which would not be good for them
 
Elon Musk has to be top of the list of pro-Israel anti-Semites. It's been the case historically. Some of Europe's biggest exponents of Israel early on saw it as a way to get rid of their Jews.

Burnham sparks Labour anger with plan to appear at event alongside Greens​

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ham-labour-anger-appearance-greens-change-now

Funny story of Starmer's right wing goons trying again to shut down any progressive unity. 'dual loyalty' Luke Akehurst out there again pedaling his fascist views. And with Kemi out there still defending Tommy, its clear that they want barbarism.
 
Red in STL said:
From the RW media perspective, Starmer staying in the job you would think benefits them more, his ousting could pave the way for Burnham which would not be good for them
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Burnham isn't too far left of starmer really. If at all. RW media will be pushing Streeting who im sure they'd rather than Starmer
 
What's been striking over the couple of days is how terrible political education is in this country, or at least how much people have been influenced by right wing American grifters.

The amount of people who think Farage is gonna by PM tomorrow if they do OK in these elections is terrifying.
 
ivaldo said:
I listened to the clip.

"Lives are ruined all round. The asylum seekers, these very young people. Their lives are ruined."

That's not the same as sympathising with the perpetrators, is it?
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No, but that's the playbook for these right wing nuts. Anyone who disagrees with them is a rapist/murerderer/terrorist sympathiser who hates the country.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
What's been striking over the couple of days is how terrible political education is in this country, or at least how much people have been influenced by right wing American grifters.

The amount of people who think Farage is gonna by PM tomorrow if they do OK in these elections is terrifying.
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Yeah, shocking that people don't have a clue how it works.

At the last general election, a fairly well educated colleague of mine in her 50s told me she was going to vote for a local candidate for MP and for Starmer and PM. Despite having voted at ten or so previous general elections when that kind of vote has obviously never taken place.

It'd probably be wise to educate the public on how elections work and what the role of MPs, councillors and mayor's actually are rather than carry on like this.
 
decorativeed said:
Yeah, shocking that people don't have a clue how it works.

At the last general election, a fairly well educated colleague of mine in her 50s told me she was going to vote for a local candidate for MP and for Starmer and PM. Despite having voted at ten or so previous general elections when that kind of vote has obviously never taken place.

It'd probably be wise to educate the public on how elections work and what the role of MPs, councillors and mayor's actually are rather than carry on like this.
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I imagine it’s always been this way, it’s why you had family members blindly vote for the same party election after election.

The reality I suspect is the majority of people just don’t care, and would resist being ‘educated’.
 
When I took my kids to a trampoline park, before you're allowed a single bounce, you have to sit down and watch a 2 minute video on how they work and how not to injure yourself.

I can't help but think something like this needs to be introduced at polling stations. The result is far more important than someone getting a sprained ankle.
 
dumbo said:


https://stretch-charity.org/people/carlotta-allum

Labour is an utterly vile right wing party.
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Labour are the gift that keeps giving... for reform that is, they are basically doing reforms job of trying to discredit the greens and if successful it won't bring voters to Labour it will just help reform win more seats, absolute morons and clearly out for themselves just like the conservative, liberal Democrats and reform.
 
Lee565 said:
Labour are the gift that keeps giving... for reform that is, they are basically doing reforms job of trying to discredit the greens and if successful it won't bring voters to Labour it will just help reform win more seats, absolute morons and clearly out for themselves just like the conservative, liberal Democrats and reform.
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Controlled opposition. I'm sure people will claim it's just incompetence but it does feel like Labour are only here to smooth the transition and get us all ready for a Reform government
 
I went to vote just now. I was surprised at the number of people there, mainly elderly but I live in an areas that skews that way demographics wise.

Fully expecting Reform to win in my area.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
I went to vote just now. I was surprised at the number of people there, mainly elderly but I live in an areas that skews that way demographics wise.

Fully expecting Reform to win in my area.
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Yeah I'm sure they will all be celebrating a Reform victory until they eventually get into government.

Reform will absolutely destroy the NHS and social care, and if they strip away human rights good luck getting out of your shite care home granny
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I imagine it’s always been this way, it’s why you had family members blindly vote for the same party election after election.

The reality I suspect is the majority of people just don’t care, and would resist being ‘educated’.
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These days they'd call it "fake news" and it's prevalent across many countries, not just the UK
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I imagine it’s always been this way, it’s why you had family members blindly vote for the same party election after election.

The reality I suspect is the majority of people just don’t care, and would resist being ‘educated’.
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We should teach civics properly at school. Including how to vote, how parliament works, and so on.

I would defend that on the grounds that general ignorance about our political and constitutional system makes it easier for those in power to act for their own advantage. A politically educated populace would reduce that risk.
 
TheGame said:
Having ran elections, turnout for local elections is always way down compared to Parliamentary elections yet you can argue the Council will have more of an impact on local day to day life.
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Council elections are great for opposition parties.

If you run the local areas well, you set up local GE narratives to exploit (like the Lib Dems).

If you tank the local area through mismanagement, you can just blame the national government for your errors (which I assume is what Reform will do).
 
Frosty said:
Council elections are great for opposition parties.

If you run the local areas well, you set up local GE narratives to exploit (like the Lib Dems).

If you tank the local area through mismanagement, you can just blame the national government for your errors (which I assume is what Reform will do).
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Yep they've already done that even though they made lots of unsubstantiated promises and pissed away money like £90k on flags.
 
TheGame said:
Everyone gets a poll card, they get informed, it's been on the news for ages, they won't be interested but will be the first to whinge.
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I only received my poll card yesterday. There hasn't been as much coverage on the news as you'd expect for an election imo. I think it would very easy to not know these were even going on. But I agree they're the type of elections unless you were "into" politics, you wouldn't vote.
 
TheGame said:
Everyone gets a poll card, they get informed, it's been on the news for ages, they won't be interested but will be the first to whinge.
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This is the concern that reform are hammering it home to their audience, so much so that they are dressing it up as if its an actual general election but I dont see the other parties pushing it as hard on social media
 
Just voted Labour as they were the only ones capable of keeping Reform out where I live.

I do actually like the person I voted for, we've spoken a few times. But I pointed out to them that being the vote to keep reform out isn't good enough and if I had a choice, it wouldn't be any of them right now.
 
TheGame said:
Having ran elections, turnout for local elections is always way down compared to Parliamentary elections yet you can argue the Council will have more of an impact on local day to day life.
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And even when people bother to vote in local elections, most will vote on the basis of national politics, seeing it as a referendum or opinion poll on the government. They won’t even see a connection between who they vote for in these elections and the quality of local services. Local democracy in this country is a bit of a joke.
 
Turnout is notoriously low for these elections.

I think they have had the most publicity/ awareness of any local elections in my memory. So let’s see it that translates in any way to increased numbers?
 
Eric_the_Red99 said:
And even when people bother to vote in local elections, most will vote on the basis of national politics, seeing it as a referendum or opinion poll on the government. They won’t even see a connection between who they vote for in these elections and the quality of local services. Local democracy in this country is a bit of a joke.
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Have to agree with this, some people aren't able to differentiate between the two.
 
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