Had Corbyn done a good job organising his new party then?
Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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Around my area only around 30% of eligible voters voted. Of all eligible voters about 12.5% voted reform.
So glad we can finally take control of our land locked local council area borders
This is what I meant yesterday by being ‘optimistic’ about the results. 12.5% evenly soread across the country gets them 0 seats.
Though this relies on a couple of assumptions. That all reform voters voted whilst only a proportion of other party voters did. And that 12.5% is pertaining to a 100% turnout, which there won’t be.
So it’s far worse for us than 12.5%, but I can just about see a way they are restricted to the high 20’s in a GE.
They’ll be some journalists celebrating getting Reform and Farage further into power today.
This must go down in history with that party Chuka Umunna started. Almost.
This is the one thing to look at. Turnouts for a general are much higher and you can see Reform not getting many MPs with that. Especially as Farage will have to be more prominent and won’t be able to avoid scrutiny like he has done here.
It will be a disgrace when this gets no coverage.
The guy, openly (albeit from a deleted account) using his own fecking name using racially abusive language, saying Muslims can't be the victims of genocide, that black people have small brains and whites are the master race and that rape as retribution for perceived race based injustice is a good thing.. and now representing people. That should be the big story
Yep, and when you factor in that people are far more likely to ‘protest vote’ in council elections than general ones, I don’t think this is necessarily the big win Farage will portray it as.
Trump insulting the UK and turning out to be absolutely batshit crazy (who’d have thought it?) in his second term is also going to be repeatedly thrown at him.
There are so many Reform candidates with stuff like this let alone the stuff involving Farage. The media highlighting of these has been a disgrace.
Yep. They are immune from scandal and their track record doesn't affect them. Deliver Brexit, suck money out of everyone's pockets and they don't care, they'll vote for more of the same because they think they're sticking it to the lefties.
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Only advice I have for Labour is get Burnham in and clean out the Starmer rot, including his goons. Offer the people something, it doesn't have to be everything radical, just some basic protections, and I would consider voting Labour to keep Reform out. But if it's a case of vote Starmer to stop Farage then Labour can feck off.
I've not missed this feeling of waking up after an election and checking the results, and feeling absolutely low.
So you'd have reform in over a starmer? is that what you're saying?
Yep that's part of the reason along with Thatcher making them homeowners/landlords and trading the social safety/workers rights for cheap consumer goods.
Fair point. This is maybe the first time there's been a genuine left alternative to Labour.
Although apparently the greens in this election due to first past the post.
Still somewhat skeptical on the long term effectiveness of the Greens.
No, only that I will never vote for Starmer. Ever.
I'm assuming they are like me where they're fed up of tactically voting for people that they also despise. I can't stand Starmer and the direction he has taken Labour and they have absolutely lost my vote with how they and he has been. I think it's completely fair that people have a limit with what they will accept when a vote is tactical and Starmer has gone beyond that limit.
Yeah, one ' victory' in 16 years is fecking bleak.
I think that Labour know this all too well, and that Starmer being still in office come 2028 will ensure their defeat and possible demise. I don't think they'll let it happen.
If you said that about the SNP you'd be wrong though. The only people who think they're only focused on pushing independence are the people who haven't actually looked into what the party do.
The greens certainly feel like a protest vote aided by a charismatic leader who many align with on certain key issues, but struggle to see them making serious inroads. There's such a hatchet job going on against Polanski too, you feel it will temper his appeal to a swathe of moderate voters.
This was expected - I don't think many people acknowledge the actual importance of councillors in people's day to day lives.
Personally, with local elections - parties don't matter all that much to me. My elections are next year and I'll almost certainly be voting for the incumbents 2x Independent and x1 Conservative. It's not been perfect but felt they have done a good job and communicate regularly with people and take action on local needs while being respectful.
I'll consider others depending on campaigns, but while I don't align to the Conservative party whatsoever, from a Councillor perspective my Conservative councillor has been brilliant.
Personally, with local elections - parties don't matter all that much to me. My elections are next year and I'll almost certainly be voting for the incumbents 2x Independent and x1 Conservative. It's not been perfect but felt they have done a good job and communicate regularly with people and take action on local needs while being respectful.
I'll consider others depending on campaigns, but while I don't align to the Conservative party whatsoever, from a Councillor perspective my Conservative councillor has been brilliant.
If that limit is voting for another party fair enough, if that limit is voting for Reform ran by a man who has damaged the country the most and caused division day after day, that’s bonkers.
Yep, this is the issue with local elections and there are some thick Reform voters who think Farage is walking into number 10 today.
It's very possible someone like Andy Burham could get the leadership gig and take away from any progress the Greens have made.
Also while Burham is every bit as right wing as Starmer and party policy will likely not change. He might realise openly slagging off the core voter base isn't good strategy.
Yep if the press thrown enough negative stories then it creates a feeling of chaos around Polanski.
We’re all fed up of having to vote tactically instead of what we want. What I want doesn’t even exist. But when it’s needed to stop us getting absolutely fecked it’s probably for the best.
The irony of people voting Reform because they won't vote Tory party .... despite Reform being made up of the exact same Tories they used to vote for
I remember stumbling on a Brexit match (after the results were announced btw, so no idea why they were marching, probably just looking for a fight out of boredom) and this marcher gave me this document, which not long after got debunked as complete and utter bullshit. I can't remember 100%, but I think it was about the Lisbon Treaty or something.
So no, a lot of them absolutely won't fact check. Just like when those poor girls were murdered and that Tommy Robinson thing said it was an immigrant.
Arguing for lesser evil voting two years into a massive labour majority should probably highlight to people how effective it is as a strategy.
Nobody can accuse the Labour Brexit voters of being geniuses, to be fair
I'd be surprised if many people who voted Labour would now be voting Reform. I more meant if there was a Reform vs Labour situation and people had to tactically vote Labour to keep Reform, I wouldn't blame people voting Green/Lib Dems instead as a left wing voter who felt they had values more in line with what they agreed with due to Starmer/Labour in recent years.
It's easy to say that but when said parties have been damaging to your community or over certain issues and values then it's understandable that someone would not want to vote for them and they shouldn't really be made to feel bad about it either.
Indeed, which is a major issue, and where the media/government need to step up in their role aswell.
Congratulations to Keir - he's effectively ended the Labour Party in the space of a couple of years.
If you were paying attention, Labour were mortally wounded by Blair but then died shitting themselves all over the voters with Corbyn
Starmer is a mediocre politician with an impossible job who only got in due to Truss leading to overwhelming sense of need for change and tactical voting.
Whoever was in at this moment was always in for a fecking whipping from all sides
There was some analysis on BBC Today this morning that I found interesting. The presenter wanted their analyst to say that Labour are getting hammered by Reform but he rejected this and said that although Labour are losing votes to Reform, Reform are actually feasting on the Tory vote and that the hemorrhaging towards the Greens and Lib Dems is what should be of far greater concern because those are the traditional Labour voters.
I don't have the demographics to verify how true it is but it sounded like honest analysis, rather than the usual Keir vs Nige tabloid analysis
I don't have the demographics to verify how true it is but it sounded like honest analysis, rather than the usual Keir vs Nige tabloid analysis
Absolutely, Labour got in because people were sick of the Tories not because they looked at Starmer and thought, yes - this is the inspiring leader we need now. He was and is no Blair in that sense.
But voters need to have a look at themselves too a bit. There is such a demand now for immediate change and quick fixes when in reality this is simply not possible. Promising this - be it from the Left or Right (although whether that distinction does justice to the socio-political reality on the ground now is another debate in itself) - is where Labour fecked it during their last election campaign, and it's probably where Reform and the Greens will equally struggle.
We can agree everyone is a problem!
Well they haven't achieved independence which is still their primary goal I assume?
Reform could theoretically evolve and develop a coherent ideology and long term purpose, but its not Farage's MO. Like UKIP or the Brexit Party, these vehicles come and go.
There will be further iterations or similiar parties for sure. Theres several already, and dozens that have been and gone already. They can never agree and unite under one banner because they fundamentally lack a coherent, mutually shared belief system, and because they're all built around a single issue.
Yeah the country is in a mess and the current government is frankly boxed in and paralysed by politics and financial realities.
However they're expected to immediately solve every issue for the country and the fecking world too..
Another scary thought I just had is that these Reform councillors could do a terrible job, but come GE time, the narrative shifts back to Labour and Starmer being in power.
Interesting result from a ward in Plymouth which went from an almost 60% Green majority to Reform gaining control with 40% of the vote - Green's vote dropped to 35%, with the Tories also losing 22.5% of their previous share.
This is interesting because Reform were on the ballot for the first time there and would suggest a significant portion of their vote either came from former Green voters, or they convinced new voters to come out whilst Green voters simply stayed away.
Basically, right now anything seems possible in British politics and regardless of your affiliation, defending a seat anywhere seems incredibly challenging.
This is interesting because Reform were on the ballot for the first time there and would suggest a significant portion of their vote either came from former Green voters, or they convinced new voters to come out whilst Green voters simply stayed away.
Basically, right now anything seems possible in British politics and regardless of your affiliation, defending a seat anywhere seems incredibly challenging.
In a true and honest, righteous and holy world that would happen, but we live in Brexit Britain
Oof. Be a hell of a job that.