Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Lee565 said:
Can't believe what im witnessing, the tories are awful but they are attempting least competent in their role as councillors but with reform you literally have Dave down the road who says it how it is, I've read up on some of the backgrounds of the now elections councillors and aside from them Hitler lovers, professionally and experiencewise they have no job being in such a important public role.

I've been saving like crazy for over a year now on top and investing it and fully expect to get out of this racist country one way or another by 2030 when i expect reform to take over and tear this country apart for their rich mates, what's the point of being in a country that has rubbish weather, depleting nature areas to enjoy, will likely have no nhs, no human rights, no employee rights and a hate filled and intolerant society with low living standards.
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Curious, what country is it you intend on going to ?
 
If there’s any silver lining, Reform are utterly f*cked for the next election once the country sees just how good they are at actually running anything.

There’s no hiding away from it with that many seats. Shame about the harm they will cause in the mean time.
 
TheGame said:
He hasn’t, Labour have had a mixed bag, some good, some not so good. Sometimes they’ve shot themselves in the foot with their decisions. The media has given Farage a free pass. A man who chanted anti semitic slogans, was friends with a Russian asset in his party, fecked the country over Brexit, has a number of non parliamentary interests and earns more money than a lot of other people and recently got given £5m asking for nothing in return. Normally 1 or 2 of those things would finish a politician, instead our media has enabled this guy.
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This is my view for what it's worth.

For me the question isn't Starmer vs Farage - I'd imagine anyone who isn't driven by bigotry and whose brain isn't mush thanks to social media and the mainstream can tell that Farage is an absolute cnut who should be nowhere near power. I actually think the Starmer government has been handicapped by his own party. I have an issue with how Labour fails to 'whip' their own MPs especially the back benchers, forcing them to back track on most if not all major economic decisions namely the triple lock and welfare bill. How Burnham, Streeting, and even Rayner are basically perma-plotting for personal glory than to help unify the party and achieve common goals with compromise.

In my mind this country's biggest, most upstream issue is its economy. This government knows that and wants to fix it. They've done a pretty damn good job of it too (productivity numbers, GDP growth figures, business investment figures, FTSE, fiscal position, GILT yields, etc) given the hand they've been dealt macreconomically and politically. And in my mind Starmer deserves a LOT of credit for that. Every other party is running on a political platform, the Labour party is running on an economic platform but they simply aren't able to communicate the importance of that to voters.

SilentWitness said:
He's a weak man whose line between what he says and what he does are far far apart. His moral values on issues like trans rights, Israel/Palestine, islamophobia, Trump, Mandelson etc. I can go on and on. Horrible man and one that I cannot and will not vote or align with.
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Which politicians' moral values do you completely agree with? I'd imagine you'd be really hard pressed to find a PM worth his/ her salt whose morality you fully agree with.
SilentWitness said:
Yeah, this @Eleven-Eighteen in relation to what he says and what he does. Can't stand him.
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decorativeed said:
Renegged on every single one of his promises in the Labour leadership election, and proceeded to reneg on a bunch more made while campaigning for PM, chasing Reform voters with increasingly right-wing policies once in power with a huge majority, quoting Enoch Powell and saying Israel has the right to commit war crimes.
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On the one hand people say Starmer is bad at politics. Then when he tries to chase (win back?) voters that are being swayed by a strong-man populist, you're not happy with him. This country hasn't had a strong leader for ~20 years because I think what the people expect from Prime Ministers is part-fantasy, i'm afraid. On the Israel topic, I think the less said the better but that lobby is just so incredibly powerful that no matter who you have in power you're going to have them be pro-Israel. Look at the oodles of people who didn't vote Kamala or abstained altogether allowing Trump into power and then look at what Trump has done in the middle east.


Oh and before you think i'm a staunch Labourite or Starmerite, I actually voted Lib Dem because their MP in my consituency had clear links to zionists. I'd like to believe i'm trying my best to be rational about all this. *Edit: because the Labour MP in my constituency had links to zionists*
 
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Eleven-Eighteen said:
Which politicians' moral values do you completely agree with? I'd imagine you'd be really hard pressed to find a PM worth his/ her salt whose morality you fully agree with.
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Like I said before, he's gone over the tipping point of what is acceptable to me. You're right that nobody will be perfect which is why we have to draw lines of what we are and aren't okay with.
 
Frosty said:
Newcastle upon Tyne Council

33 of 78 wards announced so far.

Labour are on zero councillors.

Brutal.
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Sheffield seems to be doing things differently. It's only 1/3 of the seats up of the vote this election so only about 30 seats is being fought. Labour still holds the most seats here no matter what happens. But they've lost a huge chunk. Greens will jump from around 14 seats to about 30. Reform from 1 to likely around 10.
 
WeePat said:
Sheffield seems to be doing things differently. It's only 1/3 of the seats up of the vote this election so only about 30 seats is being fought. Labour still holds the most seats here no matter what happens. But they've lost a huge chunk. Greens will jump from around 14 seats to about 30. Reform from 1 to likely around 10.
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Some Councils elect in thirds and some go all out. Seems to be different everywhere.
 
WeePat said:
Sheffield seems to be doing things differently. It's only 1/3 of the seats up of the vote this election so only about 30 seats is being fought. Labour still holds the most seats here no matter what happens. But they've lost a huge chunk. Greens will jump from around 14 seats to about 30. Reform from 1 to likely around 10.
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Labour still haven't won a seat in Newcastle. Reform have won a majority in Sunderland after 50 years of Labour rule.
 
Trequarista10 said:
I respectfully disagree. It might be true in some sense of maybe thats what some in Reform's inner circle want, or what some of their big donors want, but its not what the party as a whole wants or stands for, which includes its candidates and the membership. Its certainly not what most of the people who vote for it believe. The people who are voting Reform, and even members and candidates, do not share those beliefs. They dont have any consistent beliefs between them about pretty much anything other than immigration.

I have seen Farage's success coming. I think its been on the cards since pre-Brexit. I think a large % of the population are not happy with immigration levels and they feel strongly enough that they will vote for what is little more than a single issue party. My main belief, which I've been banging on about since the Brexit vote, is that the major parties (and media) have not dealt with the topic effectively.

Now, I get that what you actually mean is that I haven't seen the rise of an extreme white nationalist, extreme libertarian, fascist-style party that seeks to serve the interests of the wealthiest people in society. I get that you mean Reform actually stands for those things, regardless of whether or not its what Reform voters believe. But I'd argue that a political party is its members/core voter base and the shared ideas. There may be some senior figures in Reform who are white nationalist, libertarian, fascist extremists, but if that's the case then they are just using Reform as a vehicle, and they will switch vehicles when and if required or when the current vehicle no longer suits their needs. I dont think they will be able to transform Reform from what it currently is - a single issue anti-immigration party - into a party that is anything broader, because the membership would just split into different groups (like Rupert Low). The Conservative Party in contrast survives throughout decades/centuries despite different factions within it, because it fundamentally has a core ideology that remains present.

I think the only way to stop Reform in the near future is for the left (heck, even the center or Tories) to communicate better to the public about the single issue that is currently causing Reform to win votes. The current way it is approached (and has been for 10+ years) isn't working and will never work.

Long term, Reform will stop itself. It will exhaust it's current source of fuel and at some point it will no longer be relevant. It exists only in the here and now. It wont survive through the centuries like the Tories because its empty at its core. Long term I'm more worried about what will come after Reform, because it could be something even worse.
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I agree with some of that - your average person standing for and voting for Reform doesn't necessarily share that ideology, but in lending them their support, they are advancing it. Useful idiots, basically.

And I very much agree that the likes of Labour are bad at communicating their achievements on issues like immigration. Most people still seem to think it's at record highs and that immigrants are all illegally here living in free government houses and driving free cars. How this nonsense has effectively gone unchallenged for years is amazing to me.
 
TheGame said:
Some Councils elect in thirds and some go all out. Seems to be different everywhere.
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Yeah, I think Newcastle do it in thirds too but 2026 is a bit of a reset year as there's been some boundary chances there apparently.
 
Eleven-Eighteen said:
On the one hand people say Starmer is bad at politics. Then when he tries to chase (win back?) voters that are being swayed by a strong-man populist, you're not happy with him. This country hasn't had a strong leader for ~20 years because I think what the people expect from Prime Ministers is part-fantasy, i'm afraid. On the Israel topic, I think the less said the better but that lobby is just so incredibly powerful that no matter who you have in power you're going to have them be pro-Israel. Look at the oodles of people who didn't vote Kamala or abstained altogether allowing Trump into power and then look at what Trump has done in the middle east.


Oh and before you think i'm a staunch Labourite or Starmerite, I actually voted Lib Dem because their MP in my consituency had clear links to zionists. I'd like to believe i'm trying my best to be rational about all this. *Edit: because the Labour MP in my constituency had links to zionists*
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A real 'strong man' politician would be someone comfortable enough with an overwhelming majority and 5 years to enact policies that could be felt to improve the lives of the average person in this country. They would have been able to communicate the vision and get on with it, rather than court the people who have no intention of voting for you at an election in the (politically) distant future.

The policies could even have been those that he campaigned and won on the back of.
 
Frosty said:
Labour still haven't won a seat in Newcastle. Reform have won a majority in Sunderland after 50 years of Labour rule.
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That's crazy. Sheffield has been a Labour stronghold for generations. The area I'm visiting at the moment has had almost 100 years of uninterrupted Labour wins. Reform took it today.
 
SNP hold my constituency with 43% of the vote, down from 52%. Annoyingly there was no Green candidate but they probably didn't want to waste their money. Our SNP guy is pretty decent and before him this place firmly belonged to Labour.

Reform have been absolutely hammering my constituency this campaign and probably thought they could get a big chunk of the vote. To be fair they almost got 20% but they still only managed to come third, behind Labour with 26.5%.

So, in other words, nice try you racist fecks but all you did was chew up the Tory vote.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
SNP hold my constituency with 43% of the vote, down from 52%. Annoyingly there was no Green candidate but they probably didn't want to waste their money. Our SNP guy is pretty decent and before him this place firmly belonged to Labour.

Reform have been absolutely hammering my constituency this campaign and probably thought they could get a big chunk of the vote. To be fair they almost got 20% but they still only managed to come third, behind Labour with 26.5%.

So, in other words, nice try you racist fecks but all you did was chew up the Tory vote.
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SNP hold, with Greens second at over 20%in my constituency. Reform in the bin. Was worried they might surge to second or somesuch, which would be a very worrying indication for national trends if the tools were pulling big numbers here.
 
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Fingeredmouse said:
SNP hold, with Greens second a over 20%. Reform in the bin. Was worried they might surge to second or somesuch, which would be a very worrying indication for national trends if the tools were pulling big numbers here.
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I'm genuinely over the moon with the results so far. Obviously Reform might pick up some regional seats later this evening but I couldn't give a feck. The country has looked at these charlatans and told them to do one.
 
St Helens has gone completely reform, not surprised after all the flag shenanigans I saw over the last few months.
 
Greens have won Norwich Council, and the Mayor's races in Lewisham and Hackney.

It seems Labour are only holding Councils which are electing a third of their seats, rather than all their seats, in this election. Otherwise it would be a total wipeout.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm genuinely over the moon with the results so far. Obviously Reform might pick up some regional seats later this evening but I couldn't give a feck. The country has looked at these charlatans and told them to do one.
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Seems so. It's a big relief - or it would be if England wasn't ultra fecked.
 
Jamie Driscoll, former Labour Mayor of North of Tyne who was blocked for standing for the longlist for the North-East Mayoralty by Starmer's NEC in 2023, has just won a seat on Newcastle Council for the Green Party.

After 45 of 78 Council seats declared in Newcastle, Labour have... zero.

Greens - 17
Lib Dems - 16
Reform - 9
Independents - 3
 
Frosty said:
Jamie Driscoll, former Labour Mayor of North of Tyne who was blocked for standing for the longlist for the North-East Mayoralty by Starmer's NEC in 2023, has just won a seat on Newcastle Council for the Green Party.

After 45 of 78 Council seats declared in Newcastle, Labour have... zero.

Greens - 17
Lib Dems - 16
Reform - 9
Independents - 3
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That's worked out well for Labour Together. Those guys are geniuses.
 
Labour have held Gateshead since its creation in 1974. Following the declaration of results (with one ward left), from 66 seats we have:

Reform - 35
Lib Dems - 13
Labour - 12
Green - 3
 
And the media continue to bang the Reform drum. No mention of election being 3 years away, no mention of low turnout compared to national elections. I’m fecking sick of these journalists getting up Reform’s arse.

 
After 54 of 78 Council seats declared in Newcastle, Labour have... zero.

Reform - 18
Greens - 17
Lib Dems - 16
Independents - 3

Greens have taken Waltham Forest from Labour. They gained 32 seats. Labour lost... 32.

Labour lost 16 seats to the Greens in Islington but retain control.
 
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