They won Westminster. It's all they seem to care about.
Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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They won Westminster. It's all they seem to care about.
If this were in Germany, he’d be in prison.
And Bromley, Bexley and Hillingdon. They also took away Labour's majority in Wandsworth, and are on top in Barnet and Enfield. They are even making gains from Labour in Brent. As ridiculous as it sounds, they are benefitting from the Labour implosion in the capital.
Based on how Reform have campaigned like this is an actual general election, and knowing how thick some of their voters are, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most votes they could possibly get even if the turnout overall was higher.
They have held those Councils rather than gained them. Nationally they have lost 467 seats so far. Considering Labour are imploding and this is Badenochs leadership on display, it’s a disaster.
They've still lost 475 councillors from opposition, where they should be getting a bounce with Labour imploding.
I am looking at this from Labour's perspective in London. The Tories vote has been hammered in England by Reform, but it does appear to be holding up in London (from a low base admittedly). If the Greens take votes away from Labour at the GE, along with Reform, it isn't impossible for the Tories to pick up some seats under FPTP. They only lost Hendon by 10-15 votes in 2024. I think this potentially could be terrible for Labour in London.
10 yards one way, and then turn around.
I said this yesterday- I think this is a high water mark. And it’s still not enough for a majority, even if you try to just transfer the vote share to a GE. Which in itself is a ridiculous concept.
The GE is 3 years away but there was a point where Labour were sitting 4th in council seats, they means surely there is cause to instigate a vote of no confidence.
Labour look back in 2nd now.
In any case, its potentially no longer a 2 party race.
Whilst I dont like reform, I hate the fact many are blue or red. Im happy potentially now things like eventually change that.
I still think its daft you get PMs mates in random cabinet positions and not like actually the best person for the job - in that sense politics is stupid, so im all for a shake up.
Times have changed, politics hopefully will do.
Labour look back in 2nd now.
In any case, its potentially no longer a 2 party race.
Whilst I dont like reform, I hate the fact many are blue or red. Im happy potentially now things like eventually change that.
I still think its daft you get PMs mates in random cabinet positions and not like actually the best person for the job - in that sense politics is stupid, so im all for a shake up.
Times have changed, politics hopefully will do.
My ward is Reform now 
John Curtice is saying Reform got 26% of the popular vote.
Greens 18%
Cons 17%
Labour 17%
Lib Dem 16%
Greens 18%
Cons 17%
Labour 17%
Lib Dem 16%
26% predicted national vote share for Reform.
Greens on 18%, Conservatives and Labour on 17%, Lib Dems on 16%
We need PR now.
Greens on 18%, Conservatives and Labour on 17%, Lib Dems on 16%
We need PR now.
Ach, I forgot how completely batshit insane the second part of a Scottish election becomes.
Regional votes come in for my area. SNP get 28% of the vote on the second ballot, Reform get 16% and Labour 14%. The result? Reform and Labour each get two seats, SNP get zero.
I know there's someone in the world that can explain why this makes sense but it literally makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Regional votes come in for my area. SNP get 28% of the vote on the second ballot, Reform get 16% and Labour 14%. The result? Reform and Labour each get two seats, SNP get zero.
I know there's someone in the world that can explain why this makes sense but it literally makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Get your flags out for the lads.My ward is Reform now
I don’t understand it either.
Labour picked this method of PR way back when as it would benefit them the most. It allowed them to get more seats than their proportionate vote amount. It now benefits Reform the most. It is deliberately difficult to understand and explain.
It doesn't help that the BBC are intentionally misleading folk with how they're representing it. They're saying this is a big win for Reform. It's really not. They're getting seats in the part of the election where the party who just won the real seats are handicapped to allow other parties to also be represented in Hollyrood as well.
I know it's fairer in some ways but it's also fecking mental.
Yup, mental.
How many actual councils will they be running?
I haven't seen all the results but my general feeling is that they've won only a few, there's a lot that have gone to no overall control
Even the Wikipedia page contains some heavy duty maths. If you need a statistics degree to work out PR, use a different system.
They have a majority in seven.
WTF is that weird shit?
I’ve ended up with both mayor and council going to the Green Party.
Relieved I’m not in a Reform area for sure.
Relieved I’m not in a Reform area for sure.
OK - if the end result is the same kind of number then I think you're all seriously fecked in the UK, because that's not going to be enough to demonstate to enough people how incompetent they are, no one is going to change their mind if they are not direcetly affeced from the coming shitstorm
You and I compete against each other in five different races. In each race you beat me every time by over ten seconds (in two of the races I also fall over and shit myself). You win the five races so you get five medals.
After the five races there's a special event where someone in an office adds all of our race times up and then compares our overall totals.
Your total time for the five races adds up to one minute and thirty seconds.
My time for the five races adds up to seven days, fourteen hours, thirteen minutes and thirty one seconds.
As a reward for not beating you at any point I am given two medals and a hand job from the BBC Political Editor. You don't get anything because it's seen as unfair since you have five medals already.
It's to stop one party from gaining a majority victory, hence why a party winning a majority in Scotland is almost impossible. That doesn't stop the media from misrepresenting it and acting like it's the same as the UK first past the post system, and claiming that the SNP failed to win by a landslide.
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TBH I ain't beating anyone in a single race, never mind 5, I would definitely fall over, but I can keep my shit together so that's a plus
Make it make sense
Happy for the Greens though because that result now means that there will be an SNP/Green alliance to form the new majority Scottish Government, as was already agreed before the election.
Happy for the Greens though because that result now means that there will be an SNP/Green alliance to form the new majority Scottish Government, as was already agreed before the election.
Would be nice if the SNP pulled their finger out but I'm expecting more of the same.
I fell over walking the dog earlierTBH I ain't beating anyone in a single race, never mind 5, I would definitely fall over, but I can keep my shit together so that's a plus
Make it make sense
Happy for the Greens though because that result now means that there will be an SNP/Green alliance to form the new majority Scottish Government, as was already agreed before the election.
Wtf
I know nothing about them, but “Alliance to Liberate Scotland” goes pretty hard. I hope they’re not lunaticsMake it make sense
Happy for the Greens though because that result now means that there will be an SNP/Green alliance to form the new majority Scottish Government, as was already agreed before the election.
To help explain it, South Scotland region is made up of about six constituencies and the SNP and Tories won all of them 50/50. Therefore during the second round (the region vote shown in that first image) they aren't able to win any more seats and they're given to the other parties based on some arbitrary percentage threshold.
In the Glasgow region the SNP pretty much took all of the constituency seats so the same thing happened.
It's why anyone claiming that the SNP haven't won any regional seats is a bad thing is intentionally misunderstanding the system or even misleading people. They literally have only one region they can win regional seats in because they won so many of the main election seats. They won 57 constituencies out of a total of 73.
They're a pro independence party who were created to prevent the pro independence vote being split. They achieve this by competing against pro independence parties like the SNP and Green Party.
So they are indeed lunatics.
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Basically it's to ensure minor party participation. It's not terrible, but it is a bit stupid and it is opaque.
You get 2 votes.
- First past the post. This elects your constituency MP
- Your regional vote. Your vote is for a party rather than candidate and goes towards electing from a regional list. Each region has 7 MP's elected this way.
Each MP is allocated on a round by round basis. The calculation is as follows.
- Number of regional votes / (constituency MP's + Regional MPs + 1)
If we apply this to Glasgow (@Mr Pigeon's post) then even though the SNP got 27% of the regional vote they also got 7 constituency MP's. The Greens came second with 24% but they also won a constituency. So in the first round the SNP's regional vote total is divided by 8, The Greens total is divided by 2 and all others divided by 1. Whoever wins this round then gets +1 added to their own divisor before the same calculation is done for round two.
You keep going in this way until all regional MP's are accounted for.
And people wonder why we're a nation of inventors and alcoholics.
I don't see the point in the second vote. Why not just add up all the constituency votes and do the same calculation?
Scottish politics is wild. Elected a MSP in Edinburgh who’s on a temporary student visa.
Ouch aye the nuuu
Still waiting on Croydon.
Wonder whether I will become affluent and like minded or not.
Wonder whether I will become affluent and like minded or not.
(over 40 years ago?!)