Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Scottish politics is wild. Elected a MSP in Edinburgh who’s on a temporary student visa.
Plaid Cymru had a social media influencer (she does a ton of crap TikTok dance videos) as a candidate who said if elected, she couldn’t work 9-5 because of health concerns, and couldn’t commit to canvassing because she was unreliable.
 
Ouch aye the nuuu
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We're still waiting for the last region to be declared. They're somehow three hours later than everyone else.

To be fair it's the Highlands and Islands so I imagine it's difficult counting up to ten when you have eleven fingers.
 
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We're still waiting for the last region to be declared. They're somehow three hours later than everyone else.

To be fair it's the Highlands and Islands so I imagine it's difficult counting up to ten when you have eleven fingers.
I laughed at the guy representing Labour in the Orkney islands. He looks like someone dragged him out of his grave
 
My irrelevant area voted Lib Dem, a party as irrelevant as the area. At least it's not Reform.
 
I'm assuming Q Manivannan, who as a trans Tamil immigrant will no doubt boil the piss of many Reform politicians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Manivannan

They completed their doctorate and so are eligible for the global talent visa which they are applying for / have applied for.
So someone actually more qualified than other politicians who aren't singled out!
 
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Scary.
 

Kicking starmer out will probably give the party a sign of how much of this is Starmer and how much is politics breaking from the norm. I don't think Starmer leaving will get labour back to 25% (as an example). After that is going to have to be messaging and laying the groundwork for tactical voting.

My doomer belief is that labour would probably be more comfortable with a minority Reform government than actually harnessing tactical voting. I hope i'm wrong.
 
I'm not sure what point you took away from my post that would lead to this being a relevant query to be honest.

I'm discussing Labours new strategy, I don't fancy a diversion into 'yeah but Corbyn' thanks.
Well these were your words weren't they....Just a reminder that we were told the voters weren't to blame Corbyn was, don't insult the voters they said.
 
Suspect it is mainly the 'red wall' areas.

Brexit was effectively (at least for many) a 'disillusion vote', it was more to do with the 'perceived reality' of many in 'red wall' areas, of feeling left behind, of not being heard. Now after having returned to Labour, on a promise of change and having a massive majority to do so, these areas are once again feeling unheard, left behind; because 'change' has not come as quickly and wide-ranging as they wanted....and was never likely to do!!

So in this election, Reform is picking up on the same 'disillusioned sentiment' delivered in the 'Leave' vote in Brexit.

"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to making the same mistakes"

There are lots of faults (non-representation) in the FPTP system, but with two large parties covering a broad range of the left and the right in politics, a workable format for governance was obtainable, with the odd coalition thrown in.
Now however the 'splits' will be likely to become so massive, that future Governments made up of a variety of political 'stripes', may not be able to 'find their way out of a paper bag', inertia will reign in the corridors of power and decay all around, will increase rapidly.... are there any 'small boats' going the other way?
Yes exactly.
Change that was promised hasn't come quickly enough. And as you say, it was never likely to because of the mountain of problems left behind by the Tories.
That and the inescapable fact that Labour has not done well enough.

So now the country has turned its back on Labour and the Tories. And the old 2 party system is no longer there.
From this, the inevitable question is, should we change from the FTP to PR.
All I would say is... good luck with that.
 
I don’t think you can take any decisions in Government though without pissing someone off.
I don’t think the majority of the country even know what he has and hasn’t done since being in power. The rich and powerful set the narrative and most people just follow it.
 
Boats boats boats, that’s all these cnuts have. Migrant bashing and the public have lapped it up.


Jenrick is like so many other politicians a professional asshole who is interested in one thing and one thing only. His egotistical quest for power. No morales. No standards. No allegiance to any party. Just power.
And Farage is his latest conduit to power.
 
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been appointed as a special envoy on global finance.

The prime minister has committed to boosting the country's security and resilience and "in this role, Gordon Brown will advise on how global finance co-operation can help to achieve this," Downing Street says.

It comes after former Deputy Prime Minister Harriet Harman was appointed as an adviser on women and girls.

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Good to see the talent pool from the Class of 24 being used.
 
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been appointed as a special envoy on global finance.

The prime minister has committed to boosting the country's security and resilience and "in this role, Gordon Brown will advise on how global finance co-operation can help to achieve this," Downing Street says.

It comes after former Deputy Prime Minister Harriet Harman was appointed as an adviser on women and girls.

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Good to see the talent pool from the Class of 24 being used.

Consultant roles so why would the class of 24 be given those roles when they will be in cabinet and committees?
 
Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been appointed as a special envoy on global finance.

The prime minister has committed to boosting the country's security and resilience and "in this role, Gordon Brown will advise on how global finance co-operation can help to achieve this," Downing Street says.

It comes after former Deputy Prime Minister Harriet Harman was appointed as an adviser on women and girls.

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Good to see the talent pool from the Class of 24 being used.
Odd choices… Gordon Brown who admitted in a BBC interview he didn’t understand that global economics was so entangled (presumably talking about syndication) and sold our gold at rock bottom.

And Harman who said there shouldn’t be a further inquiry with wider scope into grooming gang scandal.

Feels like Starmers PM position ending is a when not an if
 
Odd choices… Gordon Brown who admitted in a BBC interview he didn’t understand that global economics was so entangled (presumably talking about syndication) and sold our gold at rock bottom.

And Harman who said there shouldn’t be a further inquiry with wider scope into grooming gang scandal.

Feels like Starmers PM position ending is a when not an if

The gold one is fecking tedious and doesn't excite confidence in your other points
 
Odd choices… Gordon Brown who admitted in a BBC interview he didn’t understand that global economics was so entangled (presumably talking about syndication) and sold our gold at rock bottom.

And Harman who said there shouldn’t be a further inquiry with wider scope into grooming gang scandal.

Feels like Starmers PM position ending is a when not an if
Brown arguably the best prime minister we’ve had this century. Him and Darling basically led the global fallout from the 08 crash.

Selling the gold had broad economic consensus at the time - redistribute the value in the gold to better assets. It was a totally fair thing to do, but in hindsight was definitely the wrong move.
 
Brown arguably the best prime minister we’ve had this century. Him and Darling basically led the global fallout from the 08 crash.

Selling the gold had broad economic consensus at the time - redistribute the value in the gold to better assets. It was a totally fair thing to do, but in hindsight was definitely the wrong move.
Not sure it was that well backed but yes, definitely some pro sellers at the time and some positives from it (national debt down).

But decision itself aside… pre announcing it (driving price down) then getting BoE to limit gold sales (driving price up), felt odd to most people I worked with in banking at the time.

But yes, hindsight as well.
 
Consultant roles so why would the class of 24 be given those roles when they will be in cabinet and committees?

Labour MPs are not happy with the optics.

Some reaction from the Beeb:

One normally loyal minister just said to me: "It’s a joke.There is no question to which bringing these two back is the answer."

A Labour MP says: "Not sure voters in Wigan, Wandsworth, Salford or Sunderland voted Reform because they thought we needed more advisers from a different era of Labour politics. I think this shows that Keir doesn't even understand the problem, never mind the solution."

A former Labour adviser says: "Is his plan to combat the notion that he has no ideas to just double down on that and bring in a load of other people to come up with ideas?"
 
Good old SNP.

"A majority will be a mandate for independence".

Didn't get a majority.

"Reform's existence means we must have independence".

Fix the fecking country you self serving useless pricks.
 
So the worst people from a disgraced and defeated Tory party put a new coat of paint on the same outhouse and convince most people they have ideas, which they don't.

Maybe education isn't the solution in America...
 
Good old SNP.

"A majority will be a mandate for independence".

Didn't get a majority.

"Reform's existence means we must have independence".

Fix the fecking country you self serving useless pricks.
They’re not wrong. Reform is actively hostile to Scotland and will be looking to scrap devolution.
 
Labour MPs are not happy with the optics.

Some reaction from the Beeb:

One normally loyal minister just said to me: "It’s a joke.There is no question to which bringing these two back is the answer."

A Labour MP says: "Not sure voters in Wigan, Wandsworth, Salford or Sunderland voted Reform because they thought we needed more advisers from a different era of Labour politics. I think this shows that Keir doesn't even understand the problem, never mind the solution."

A former Labour adviser says: "Is his plan to combat the notion that he has no ideas to just double down on that and bring in a load of other people to come up with ideas?"

Yeah Keir Starmer is still under the delusion that the public will acknowledge if the government is doing a good job in the context of the task they are given with the cards they are dealt
 
They’re not wrong. Reform is actively hostile to Scotland and will be looking to scrap devolution.
Whatever works.

It's not like the Scottish government has succeeded in any measurable way.

If people wanted independence, they'd have voted for it.
 
Labour's losses in London have continued. They have lost half their councillors in Lambeth and Southwark. Those councils are NOC now, but the Greens are likely to run them in coalition.

They had all 54 councillors in Lewisham. Results are being announced. They haven't retained a single seat yet...
 
That was 12 years ago. A lot has changed since there.
Well the good thing was, a majority is a mandate, which they got nowhere near.

And you can't have a vote until the result is entirely predictable. It's a vote to start a new country, not a temporary 4 year try at a new country. If the country were surveyed over ten years, and the results were a steady and reliable 65% in favour throughout, then you do it. It's not a thing to be done in a flippant moment, like Brexit.