Boris surviving a VONC would be devastating for the Tories.
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Exclusive: the British public is changing its concept of class
Gen Z and millennials are more likely to associate class with salary and income than the cultural perceptions of their older counterparts.
https://www.newstatesman.com/societ...itish-public-is-changing-its-concept-of-class
I've talked about this a few times in the past on this thread but nice to see some polling and data analysis.
The polling for electricians is a very useful data point. Such a big difference in the age brackets for what traditionally has been viewed as a vocational trade but now 30% of 18-35 year olds think is upper class. Electricians do earn good money as they progress in their career. They also don't have the level of debt to get into that career unlike university graduates. But that graduate who thinks electricians are upper class may very well come from a far more privileged background and live in the city but on a lower income. Footballers in the past have always maintained their working class origins but now things are changing because a rags to riches story like Wayne Rooney is now very much in the elite.
Gen Z and millennials are more likely to associate class with salary and income than the cultural perceptions of their older counterparts.
https://www.newstatesman.com/societ...itish-public-is-changing-its-concept-of-class
I've talked about this a few times in the past on this thread but nice to see some polling and data analysis.
The polling for electricians is a very useful data point. Such a big difference in the age brackets for what traditionally has been viewed as a vocational trade but now 30% of 18-35 year olds think is upper class. Electricians do earn good money as they progress in their career. They also don't have the level of debt to get into that career unlike university graduates. But that graduate who thinks electricians are upper class may very well come from a far more privileged background and live in the city but on a lower income. Footballers in the past have always maintained their working class origins but now things are changing because a rags to riches story like Wayne Rooney is now very much in the elite.
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This is horrible, but it's a pretty well established operational principle to rescue your own subjects no matter the dickhead level and damn the rest of them in comparison.
Queen Carrie the innocent.Her... majesty?
Maybe. Depending on timing they'd still be able to get him out before the next GE and pin everything on him until then saying 'but I wanted him gone'.
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WITCH HUNT!
Poor Boris. He's been through a lot.
but unfortunately not a meat grinder. I live in hope though.
Shame we cannot BURN THE WITCH.
Women you mean?
“Political opposition... is given an inhumane overlay, which then justifies the abrogation of all normally applied customs of civilized behavior. A political policy is equated with moral right, and opposition to it with diabolical malevolence.”
Definitely a portion of the population that prefers animals to non-white people
ive said it all along. cnut doesnt care. He's the boss so all of you shut up and feck off
This proper bummed me out, it’s easy to forget in between the laughing at the PM how it effects real people.
He has to be fair. Brexit, Covid, getting Covid, Mother's death, Birthday cake, WW3..........
The House of Commons has just finished for the day, which means it is unlikely the prime minister will make a statement to MPs on the Sue Gray report tonight.
As far as we know, No 10 has still not received the document.
However, it's still possible that No 10 could get the report tonight, or the wait might carry on into Thursday.
There is some talk among MPs that a House of Commons statement could happen at about 17:00 GMT tomorrow.
It is unlikely a statement would be made on Friday (traditionally a day when MPs are in their constituency rather than Parliament).
As far as we know, No 10 has still not received the document.
However, it's still possible that No 10 could get the report tonight, or the wait might carry on into Thursday.
There is some talk among MPs that a House of Commons statement could happen at about 17:00 GMT tomorrow.
It is unlikely a statement would be made on Friday (traditionally a day when MPs are in their constituency rather than Parliament).
That's good if true. Also very sensible because there is only one indicator of class and it is economic.
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Im sure he’s getting Brexit done for the Stoke people
This report will be a non event. Heavily redacted. cnuty will say wait for police report.
Weeks turn to months. Fatigue kicks in. Elections come. cnut wins again.
Teflon Boris rides again laughing at his public.
Weeks turn to months. Fatigue kicks in. Elections come. cnut wins again.
Teflon Boris rides again laughing at his public.
Sue Gray’s report being ”independent” has always been a joke as has been pointed out many times. She reports to Johnson.
Johnson being in charge of the release of the report proves just that. If it was an independent report she would have published it herself and Johnson would have read it the same time as us.
Johnson being in charge of the release of the report proves just that. If it was an independent report she would have published it herself and Johnson would have read it the same time as us.
Yesterdays parliamentary proceedings summed up as ..."Who's the Boss...I am" said Boris?
Animal Rights Groups swing their support behind Boris at the news it was him who sanctioned the dog rescue flight from Afghanistan... erm! or was it "just a 'Shaggy dog' story"?
Animal Rights Groups swing their support behind Boris at the news it was him who sanctioned the dog rescue flight from Afghanistan... erm! or was it "just a 'Shaggy dog' story"?
Is it Sue Gray day?
He aint going anywhere is he, the sue gray report and the met enquiry will lead to a cull of spads and civil servants, with people from the likes of the IEA and other right wing think tanks replacing them. In the meantime, as we are already seeing, we'll be fed the line that the issues in Ukraine, cost of living etc are far more important than westminister tittle tattle - only a couple of weeks ago the Daily Mail had major headlines about how Boris (and Carrie, it really hates her) have betrayed the British people, and now it seems to have changed its tune somewhat and is toeing the party line, as per its headlines yesterday.
And there we have it, a proven liar, taking the proverbial mick and yet our fellow citizens bend the knee and doff the cap.
And there we have it, a proven liar, taking the proverbial mick and yet our fellow citizens bend the knee and doff the cap.
It's amazing how often the Mail just happens to show excessive levels of hate towards connected females while not showing anything like the same vitriol towards men who often carry considerably more responsibility for the acts being criticized.
One problem with that is not everyone thinks it is sensible. I have met people in real life who grew up in council estates and did apprenticeships which got them good paying jobs in construction or trade work as they got older. I have also met people who grew up in posh suburbs in the city, went to university and partied the whole time without having a goal in mind of what they want to actually do after because it provides three years of finding themselves without entering the workforce at 18. A lot of people go to university after being sold a dream as well but end up saddled with debt. And after finishing ended up in lower paying office jobs that is unrelated to their degree. The one who is actually by every traditional metric is working class in blue-collar work earns more than the one whose parents were wealthy and who works in professional white-collar work. That's where the income argument gets muddled. Working class people can move up into middle class with the concept of upward mobility. But can someone who grew up privileged become working class in a concept of 'downward mobility' when they had much more advantages in early life?
Knew they'd get a bump from that Islamaphobia story.
Would help if Labour had any ideas or stood for something.
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Well the Tories stand for helping themselves and wrecking the country but that seems to be pleasing the electorate.
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Could be wrong but this might be before the islamophobia but yeah can only see that helping the tories in the polls..
Maybe although it didn't work for the last guy(Plus the current labour leadership are basically tories anyway).
I love her so much.
Yeah, there are cultural ideas of class. A poor aristocrat is not technically a member of the proletariat but the base is still primary economic. The grandchild of a poor aristocrat may very well be a member of the proletariat. A rich person who began as a member of the working class might retain working class sensibilities, but economically they are worlds away from the reality of that condition.
You can't call yourself working class unless you have kept coal in the bath and enjoyed tripe and onions for your tea (NB 'tea' not dinner). 
This fundamentally comes back to the frequent phrase of Labour 'losing the working class'. Labour won the lowest income brackets as usual while the Conservatives won the highest income brackets as usual. By definition if class is determined by income that phrase doesn't hold firm.
The reason why it gets repeated all the time though is public perception of working class remains embedded in old imagery of people in small mostly rural areas who never went to university and worked instead in blue-collar trades. Those people are primarily older hence the massive gulf in how young people were polled vs old people in that study. And those people have savings, pensions and through decades of work have homes. Those are the people Labour lost. The people whose aspirations took them into the middle class but who maintain their origins of being working class.
Didn't that cnut leave the BBC?
Our fearless leader, so bravely continuing to sit in the big chair.