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Even the DM isn't buying his claim that he said 'you two look very alike'.

'They all look the same to me': Tory MP at the centre of racism row after being accused of confusing Asian ministers Nadhim Zahawi and Sajid Javid at St John Ambulance reception

He mixed up Mr Zahawi, who has a distinctive white beard, and clean-shaven Mr Javid as he attempted to introduce the former to the audience on the Houses of Parliament's Terrace Pavillion as the Health Secretary.

When his error was pointed out to him, he was said to have told the guests: 'They all look the same to me'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dhim-Zahawi-Sajid-Javid.html#article-10080777

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Ambiente, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
A simple mistake hardly life threatening.
 

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It’s incredible isn’t it. People telling me BBC are bunch of lefties are insane.
It’s an easy argument for dishonest people to make to stupid people.

Show evidence of the BBC reporting on ‘Woke’ issues in 0.05% of overall programming. Highlight a few shows in a certain way…

Idiots will believe that a few examples that are amplified equals ‘lefty’, without ever analysing the totality of output, the truly right-skewed politics coverage, the huge number of Tories and chums on speaking spots. Almost all political discourse on the BBC is centre-right hosts pitching acceptable questions to people they socialise with.

That the Daily Mail folks can somehow wrap this up so dishonestly is terrifying.
 

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People have been saying that since 2016 but it seems to overlook the fact that the majority of the country is pro-Brexit and Tory and for many that is an unshakeable part of their identity.
The majority of the country is anti Brexit and (I believe) more people voted for left wing parties than the Tories at the last election.

This country is broken.
 

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The majority of the country is anti Brexit and (I believe) more people voted for left wing parties than the Tories at the last election.

This country is broken.
Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
 

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Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
Even if you just factor in the wrinklies who've died since the vote and assumed nobody had changed their mind then I think Remain would be favourite. I do also think though that some people have changed their minds finally and more will continue to do so as inflation, shortages and the continued erosion of public services bites.
 

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Even the DM isn't buying his claim that he said 'you two look very alike'.

'They all look the same to me': Tory MP at the centre of racism row after being accused of confusing Asian ministers Nadhim Zahawi and Sajid Javid at St John Ambulance reception



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dhim-Zahawi-Sajid-Javid.html#article-10080777

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Ambiente, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
A simple mistake hardly life threatening.
There are some pretty clear differences between the two, especially enough for a colleague to be able to tell them apart.
Saying "They all look alike" isn't a mistake though.
 

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Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
I don't think it would be a huge majority but I think Remain would definitely win in a replay now. It was extremely close last time and most people won't be buying into that 'blitz spirit' crap unless they're the kind of people who definitely voted Leave last time anyway.
 

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Based on what though? All that mattered was those who voted in 2016 realistically and people are naive to think remain would stroll a second vote now. There are a million and one vox pop videos of members of the public still adamantly saying they'd vote Brexit, regardless of the country lurching from one crisis to another. It's the same with my family up north too and more widely, how idiots like IDS are trying to invoke 'the Blitz spirit'.
It was tight. I can’t possibly envisage a world in which people that voted remain would switch. I have swathes of family members that were hard for Brexit that now freely admit they got it wrong.

My family alone wouldn’t change much. But they’re in Telford, Kent, Wales. Real hard nosed Brexiteer land. I’ll use them as an example of softening. Ditto for many middle class Tories that I work with. Some freely admit they would switch.

Plus young people now making up a higher percentage.

I think Remain would be a solid 60%. Anecdotal and not evidence. But it doesn’t feel like a stupid point.
 

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It was tight. I can’t possibly envisage a world in which people that voted remain would switch. I have swathes of family members that were hard for Brexit that now freely admit they got it wrong.

My family alone wouldn’t change much. But they’re in Telford, Kent, Wales. Real hard nosed Brexiteer land. I’ll use them as an example of softening. Ditto for many middle class Tories that I work with. Some freely admit they would switch.

Plus young people now making up a higher percentage.

I think Remain would be a solid 60%. Anecdotal and not evidence. But it doesn’t feel like a stupid point.
I get the slight demographic change that @TwoSheds mentions, with more older leave folk died (accelerated by Covid a bit too) and more remain youngsters now in voting age, but there are equally more than you think that feel the EU is punishing us and have switched to leave. Some others will buy into the increased nationalism we're seeing, with union flags everywhere and plenty will blame the EU for immigrants coming over the Channel etc...

It's by no means a stupid point, but I just don't share the confidence that remain would comfortably win now. For my family sample, they're from from East Yorkshire, with David Davis my mum's MP, so that is Brexit central! Remain is a massive majority on here and similarly on social media, but in the regions that just isn't the case.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
A fourth wife maybe? He has a majority and if he's hamstrung by any wokes he's hamstrung by the wokes he used to become prime minister. He's hamstrung by being an imbecile incapable of keeping a thought or his word for longer than 3 minutes.

That's just my outside view.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Would you vote tory if an election came up soon?
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
This is a troll right? :lol:
 

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Of course it's not true, the impact of any government on the overall economy tends to be negligible in reality. It takes something like Brexit to cause any great impact so its bewildering anyone could think the Tories (especially the current crop) are more economically sound.

The only difference is the breakdown of those economic figures and who benefits or suffers as a result of national policy.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
:lol:

There's no way this is a real post.
 

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I get the slight demographic change that @TwoSheds mentions, with more older leave folk died (accelerated by Covid a bit too) and more remain youngsters now in voting age, but there are equally more than you think that feel the EU is punishing us and have switched to leave. Some others will buy into the increased nationalism we're seeing, with union flags everywhere and plenty will blame the EU for immigrants coming over the Channel etc...

It's by no means a stupid point, but I just don't share the confidence that remain would comfortably win now. For my family sample, they're from from East Yorkshire, with David Davis my mum's MP, so that is Brexit central! Remain is a massive majority on here and similarly on social media, but in the regions that just isn't the case.
Theres probably a slice of naïvety on my part. Hope too. But in the last year I’ve finally started hearing devout Brexit cultists saying ‘I got it wrong’. That feels impactful.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
"The illegals" :rolleyes:. If Covid wasn't a thing then Johnson would have nothing else to hide behind when the reality of his Brexit began to hit.

The saddest thing about your post is that there's probably a fair amount of Brits who think like you do.
 

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Theres probably a slice of naïvety on my part. Hope too. But in the last year I’ve finally started hearing devout Brexit cultists saying ‘I got it wrong’. That feels impactful.
Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
 

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Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
Or perhaps something resembling waste lands
 

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Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
EU citizens will enjoy higher wages and increasingly appreciation for their skilled or unskilled abilities here, all inside 18 months. British people will never again get those rights back.

This country needs to be Tory free for 40 years to have a chance.
 

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Yeah, I understand the hope, I held on to all the way through til Johnson got elected. I'm yet to meet a cultist who says they made the wrong choice though, although family aside, my friends and colleagues are a real remain echo chamber.
I'm leaving the UK on Saturday for a few years, so hopefully we'll have those sunlit uplands by the time I'm back or better still be back in the EU.
Pft, Priti Patel will be PM by then, you'll be lucky to get back in.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Unless I’m mistaking where your fathers thoughts end and yours begin, he may have a healthier and more adult outlook than you. Which is mental. If everything after the quotation is you, you sound truly broken. Probably told to you by the very people you want to celebrate.
 

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Poor Johnson harmstrung by the Wokes :lol:
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
This is definitely a parody post.
 

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It’s an easy argument for dishonest people to make to stupid people.

Show evidence of the BBC reporting on ‘Woke’ issues in 0.05% of overall programming. Highlight a few shows in a certain way…

Idiots will believe that a few examples that are amplified equals ‘lefty’, without ever analysing the totality of output, the truly right-skewed politics coverage, the huge number of Tories and chums on speaking spots. Almost all political discourse on the BBC is centre-right hosts pitching acceptable questions to people they socialise with.

That the Daily Mail folks can somehow wrap this up so dishonestly is terrifying.
When the right wing think you're left wing, and the left wing think you're right wing, you know you're doing a pretty good job of sitting in the centre.

Labour spending also drives overall GDP growth, that's hardly a surprise. It's not a surprise that the biggest growth periods have been immediately followed by big drops, regardless of who is in power.

The only thing that changes between governments is who pays for it all and who benefits.
 

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When the right wing think you're left wing, and the left wing think you're right wing, you know you're doing a pretty good job of sitting in the centre.
This is nonsense though. If a parent of twins gives one twin a cookie every day and the other twin a slap every day, you'd struggle to argue that they're being treated equally on the grounds that the first twin is screaming just as loudly for more cookies as the second twin is for fewer slaps.
 

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The turkeys that voted for Christmas, are now upset that Christmas has arrived.
 

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New article on BBC website regarding international accusations British government are liars, fronted by a Boris Johnson promotional picture. Bit of an odd choice.
 

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My late Father said to me once ‘Labour will spend money on lots of good things but will ruin the economy by taxing industry to pay for it. Then the Tories will get in and fix it but we will all be hit hard so Labour will get and ……’ So it goes on. Governments are in for themselves, not the country. Labour is currently inhabited by loons and dickheads and the Tories are just the Tories. Blair’s Labour built hospitals and other things using the private finance initiative which we will be paying for until the end of the century it seems. Boris is promising jam tomorrow and may have got somewhere if COVID hadn’t been unleashed. At least he gives the impression he wants to do the right thing but is hamstrung by Wokes and right wing freaks in his own party. One thing for sure is we have a weak Home Secretary. The illegals crossing the channel is still not sorted, the police are a mess and we allow middle class morons to inconvenience the public with their protests.
Let me guess, do you read the Daily Mail? Or are you more of an alternative right kind of consumer?