What can we expect from Erik in the few 5 years?

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There are at least 4 better teams than us right now, it's hardly massively low expectations, just realistic.
Are they feck. Chelsea are average and we finished above them twice in the last 3 years. You can’t seriously be putting Spurs above us. They have Kane and Son and then dross. The only reason they got top 4 was because Conte is a good manager, but aren’t we also assuming Ten Hag is a good manager? If he doesn’t get 4th he’s not had anywhere near the impact we should expect. This remains a good squad that we are about to bolster with 3/4 players.
 

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Are they feck. Chelsea are average and we finished above them twice in the last 3 years. You can’t seriously be putting Spurs above us. They have Kane and Son and then dross. The only reason they got top 4 was because Conte is a good manager, but aren’t we also assuming Ten Hag is a good manager? If he doesn’t get 4th he’s not had anywhere near the impact we should expect. This remains a good squad that we are about to bolster with 3/4 players.
They are, and will also improve their squads. Every recent season people way over estimate how well we'll do. 4th would be a good season.
 

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They are, and will also improve their squads. Every recent season people way over estimate how well we'll do. 4th would be a good season.
Except they don’t. People ridiculed Ole and called him shite and he managed third and fourth. It’s really not that strong a league.
 

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If we get the basics right Ill be giddy as fk -

1) A happy, fight together, dont down tools team
2) A proper defined style of play
3) Majority of team playing to their potential and consistently and thats week in week out and year in year out. Id rather you gave a 6 out of 10 week in week out than an 8 for 3 games then a 4, 5, 6 then an 8 then another 4.
4) A proper recruitment policy. Will we get any transfers right!
5) Players getting better not stagnating or getting worse.
6) Getting rid of players at the right time. Not keeping them forever and keep giving them new obscene contracts
7) Players in the right position. Lets stop the Mata and Lingard and Rashford as RW. Pogba in a double pivot. McFred as DM's and on and on. Play them in their right positions and give them a platform to succeed or sell them

Is that too much to ask for?
 

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Except they don’t. People ridiculed Ole and called him shite and he managed third and fourth. It’s really not that strong a league.
You literally argued with me yourself that we were a good bet to win the league last season when I predicted 4th.
 

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You literally argued with me yourself that we were a good bet to win the league last season when I predicted 4th.
Which based on the signings we made and the hope that Ole could kick on was fair. Being overly negative is just that.
 

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Year 2 forced smile, a few talk back moments, make Lindelof captain
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Which based on the signings we made and the hope that Ole could kick on was fair. Being overly negative is just that.
It wasn't a fair assessment of our chances, and so it proved. It's not overly negative to suggest we'll finish around 4th/5th next season, it would just be par. If Ten Hag does better as we all hope then great.
 

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A good system of play to build upon... he's not Jesus and won't win the CL/PL so fast - Rome wasn't built in a day... hopefully we'll be challenging within 2-3 seasons on all fronts.
 

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A good system of play to build upon... he's not Jesus and won't win the CL/PL so fast - Rome wasn't built in a day... hopefully we'll be challenging within 2-3 seasons on all fronts.
Rome was not built in a day for 2 reasons, Roman kings/republic didnt select John and Ten Hag as their architects
 

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You know that's far from what I said. However we have to be realistic and people talking about challenging for the league inside 3 seasons is just ridiculous. Utd have even stated that this is evolution, not revolution. So it's a slow gradual process.

This is more of a restructuring of how the club operates abd a rebuilding of the team over a period of years. ETH has been given a 3 year deal, so people even talking about 5 years is very premature. Sure, I hope and want him to succeed, but success can look different from purely winning the league title.

Success for me is the restructuring of the club and him rebuilding the squad to be able to compete once again for a top 4 finish. At the moment, this current squad is literally mid table at best and results in 2022 show that. With the players that have left and form of the rest of the team, this is a much bigger challenge than some think.
I’m sorry that is very defeatist. Regardless of the current state of the club (which is no worse than Liverpool pre Klopp by the way), any new manager has to be brought in with the express goal of challenging for the league within 3 years. I have no doubt that unless we do just that ETH would be sacked and rightly so.
 

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The fact that you're thinking this way means you're predicting us to be shit comes October/November and are already thinking about how you're going to excuse this and reply on whoever will criticize the manager. This, on its own, is an enough sign to worry about the upcoming season.

All I see is people putting excuses left, right and center before a ball is even kicked. Everyone seems to be expecting a shit season despite a new manager coming and the first thought is how to defend the manager when this happens.

But then we're told to be optimistic after such posts. Ridiculous.
Not at all. My point is that this forum is far too impatient. We're a million miles behind both City and Liverpool, so realistically we're playing for 3rd-place before a ball is kicked.

In addition, it's going to take time for ETH to impose his methods. We've a fragmented Summer with the Nations League and then a fragmented season with a World Cup right in the middle of it.

I personally would consider 4th a good achievement, with anything before than that to be well above what we can realistically expect. However, I expect there'll be posters complaining 'that we're not challenging' or that 'we haven't won a trophy', even though we've no right to expect either of those things yet,
 

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He'll be in his second year back at Ajax for a second spell by then, resigning De Jong and Timber after we have moved them on for free after only making UCL in his second year at united as his notable achievements via winning the Europa league in his first season at united.
 

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Not at all. My point is that this forum is far too impatient. We're a million miles behind both City and Liverpool, so realistically we're playing for 3rd-place before a ball is kicked.

In addition, it's going to take time for ETH to impose his methods. We've a fragmented Summer with the Nations League and then a fragmented season with a World Cup right in the middle of it.

I personally would consider 4th a good achievement, with anything before than that to be well above what we can realistically expect. However, I expect there'll be posters complaining 'that we're not challenging' or that 'we haven't won a trophy', even though we've no right to expect either of those things yet,
I have seen no one expecting Ten Hag to challenge for the league this season, as far as I have seen. However, if December comes and say United haven't shown any signs of identity being build up or improvement in play style or results, I see no reason why it will be illogical to start asking questions.

Honestly, all I see is ton and ton of excuses said for the next season before it even started, which just lowers expectations and sets the tone for having a shit season and anything else will be a surprise. I don't like this mentality personally.