What damage does the Super League do to domestic leagues?

[UpWithRivers]

This already happens though. No matter what a team like Norwich does for example, they will never be able to compete with us financially.

Yeah they can - sell out to oil. We already cant compete financially with the oil clubs. Wait a bit and we wont be able to compete with Newcastle, Norwich and Burnley.

 

[UpWithRivers]

None of the big teams will be kicked out. They will just consider the league as an inferior trophy and not the priority anymore. The priority going into the season will always be to do well in the Super League. The Premier League will be just a bonus + a way to prepare the players for the more important Super League.

Domestic cups will become a nuisance if they remain and all the big clubs will get themselves KOed from them by the first or second round at most. Ultimately they will probably get canceled completely. Who will want to play in Fa Cup or League Cup instead of the Super League? Doesn't make sense.

Basically the football will revolve around the Super League. It will be the main competition. The others will be inferior trophies in comparison and will just be considered glorified friendlies.

Anyone thinking anything else will happen is honestly just lying to himself.

This already happens. The big clubs dont give a sht about the cups and play weakened teams. Unless its the only way for them to win a trophy which will be the same as if we have a super league.

 

[SirAF]

It's hard to say for sure without seeing/reading any of the exact details of their proposal. Not sure if the plan is to have this in addition to the existing competitions like PL and CL, or whether the clubs would be leaving one of those competitions behind?

The plan is to keep playing in the respective national leagues, but bail on the CL.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

They played more CL finals than Madrid too in recent years (depends on what you mean by recent years btw).

La Liga is a great analogy because this would be like asking "why does everyone keep referring to the Big 3 and not just RM/Barcelona" in 2016.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

This already happens. The big clubs dont give a sht about the cups and play weakened teams. Unless its the only way for them to win a trophy which will be the same as if we have a super league.

The funniest thing is that practically every winner of the FA Cup or EPL Cup in the last 20 years is one of the 'big six.'

So in reality with an ESL, the top teams would make so much more money that they'd win all the league titles anyway.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

As far as I can see this does terrible damage to Europe's domestic leagues.

Using the PL as an example, obviously everyone wants to win the title. But for those who fall out of the title race, the need to qualify for CL places provides incentive to keep performing throughout the season. We saw it with ourselves, Chelsea and Leicester last year, we see it with Leicester, West Ham, Chelsea and Liverpool this year.

That changes once a SL is created. Once one of the SL teams know they can't finish first, their league position no longer has real impact on their fortunes. Their focus will naturally be on the most prestigious and lucrative competition they're involved in (the SL) and their remaining PL games become about nothing more than the "pride" of finishing 5th rather than 6th.

For the non-permanent SL clubs, what changes? Well one of them might get to join the SL for a year knowing they're in no real position to compete against the much wealthier permanent members and likely to be absent the following year. Meanwhile the rest might be looking to get into the CL/EL, which will have been largely stripped of their current prestige and financial value with the departure of the best teams and players, reduced to third rate competitions. So lower stakes for those clubs who drift further and further from the big clubs financially.

In short, I can't see how this doesn't devalue the PL as a competition as it removes some of the fundamental dynamics that make it so competitive. Am I wrong?

The idea of CL places was a mess to begin with, it rewarded teams that finished 4th. At very best it should have only rewarded the winners of the league to enter it.

 

[Denis79]

It will because they will just end up playing their best players in the week prioritizing the super league because there is so much money involved and then weaker teams at the weekend in the premier league. I hope they get kicked out of the EPL

It will be very boring watching the league if you're not fighting at the absolute top, that's for sure.

 

[Number32]

Too much fear mongering.

The top teams can concentrate on trying to win the league - as they should. The rest of the league will be fighting to get into this new lucrative competition.

"Well one of them might get to join the SL for a year knowing they're in no real position to compete against the much wealthier permanent members "

This already happens, What chance do you give West Ham next year in the CL if they get in?

So Leicester was a top team in 2015?
and Arsenal is still a top team in 2021, eh??

Top teams can concentrate to win the league? You mean FA cup is nothing, and our historic treble winners is nothing to you?

 

[Sky1981]

This is a mixed bag. Some possibilities:

1. 5 years after, milan, arsenal, spurs are becoming so bad they'd become the league's whipping boy and it wont be fun anymore. The whole league would turn into a big joke.

2. Teams still focusing on the EPL, since it's actually still a trophy while the ESL are the money maker.

3. The FA decided in favor of english football integrity to kick the big 6 out. If this happens we'll be fecked. Nobody would want to watch us playing 20 times esl only. We and the top 6 is the whole package. The romance, the epl, the cups. Playing in a closed circuit will diminish the value.

4. 2 competitions: ESL and UEFA. The ESL would win in the first 5 years but it'll get boring. And there are football teams from the rest of europes challenging for the UEFA championscup. Which could be tasty.

The problem is that you cant take 6 Teams out of the EPL and the UEFA and not destroy the competition. Either the UeFA lose or the ESL lose. This could get ugly.

For once the Fa of spain italy England should stick together and tell all of them to feck off. It'll be a painful few years but eventually it's better than destroying the integrity of the whole football league

 

[spiriticon]

Life carries on.

In the long term, a new 'Big Six' will take the place of the current 'Big Six' and things will re-normalise.

Bayern/PSG will win the next 20 Champion's Leagues and overtake Real Madrid as the most successful club.

 

[BULB]

If you aren't going to win the premier league or the super league, just loan out all your players in January and save a bomb on wages.

 

[led_scholes]

Too much fear mongering.

The top teams can concentrate on trying to win the league - as they should. The rest of the league will be fighting to get into this new lucrative competition.

"Well one of them might get to join the SL for a year knowing they're in no real position to compete against the much wealthier permanent members "

This already happens, What chance do you give West Ham next year in the CL if they get in?

Top teams like Arsenal, United and Tottenham do not care to compete under the current format. They only cared about top 4. Now that they are guaranteed to be in the SL, why would they care about the league? If the SL would have included a relegation rule based on their domestic form every 2-3 years, then maybe they would.

 

[FootballHQ]

Kills the domestic cups more.

People on this forum won't like shed a tear for league cup being downgraded further but it's still a tournament likes of Man. City win on regular basis and Chelsea and Man. United also won it since 2015.

FA cup stock also massively reduced in last 20 years due to number of reasons but it's still a fantastic day out and a bit of insurance policy if you get knocked out of CL early. Again see Man. United in 2016 and Chelsea in 2018. And Arsenal in last decade.

These clubs taking a big gamble just to sack these competitions off every season just to finish 8th-10th in SL and be a long way off winning league title aswell so seasons going to be much more dull.

Man. United and Arsenal combined haven't won a domestic title in nearly 25 years now so the domestic cups been a huge source of interest for both in pretty much last decade and further back in Arsenal's case and of course Liverpool before last season's win.

 

[Hughes35]

One of three things will happen I think.

1. The ESL doesn't happen as Uefa and Fifa but the blockers on it due to domestic sanctions etc
2. Brown envelopes get passed under the table to Uefa and they let the ESL happens - Football dies.
3. Brown envelopes option but another new domestic league is formed away from Fifa and we start again. Almost like how we have WWE and RAW or Rugby Leauge and Rugby Union.

I'd actually love for option 3 to happen (It wont) so we could start football again but without all the stupid shit that ruins it.

 

[Gio]

Not that anyone gives a feck about the other leagues in Europe, but obviously shutting the door completely will have a detrimental impact on leagues like Scotland's. It doesn't have a great impact on football day-to-day because the large countries and UEFA have already been making their own bed. As such the rigging of the seeding in the Champions League made it hard enough for countries like ours to be represented, but at least there was the openness of opportunity that if you had a good team you could overcome the structural hurdles and qualify. And if you were really talented like Porto or Ajax, you could even, every decade or so, actually challenge for the title.

 

[Lay]

Not much thought given yet to other leagues in Europe. How will teams from Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium etc etc cope without the UCL revenue they get just for the group stage?

I wonder if they’re also thinking of creating a super league of sorts because I can’t see how a lot of them will manage without it. Football is Europe will be massively left behind, not just the main leagues