If we are going to sign youngsters - pick up Rigg
What do we still need? Aka The never ending story
- Thread starter Devil may care
- Start date
Lwb - Gutierrez in January (30m release clause)
Left 10 - Cunha 50m
Right 10 - Dibling/Cherki 30m . Amad goes back to Rwb
Striker - Gyokeres 70m
LCB - Lucumi 20m
Total - 200m
Left 10 - Cunha 50m
Right 10 - Dibling/Cherki 30m . Amad goes back to Rwb
Striker - Gyokeres 70m
LCB - Lucumi 20m
Total - 200m
Gyokeres
Cunha Dibling
Gutierrez Ugarte Fernandes Amad
Lucumi De Ligt Mazraoui
Onana
Cunha Dibling
Gutierrez Ugarte Fernandes Amad
Lucumi De Ligt Mazraoui
Onana
AML - Malik Tillman 45m
Striker - Gyokeres 60m
MC - Pablo Barrios 45m
LWB - Alvaro Fernandez 16m
DC - Ryan Flamingo/ Abdukodir Khusanov/ Tomas Araujo 45M
Gyokeres
Tillman Amad
Fernandez Ugarte Barrios Mazraoui
Araujo De Ligt Yoro
Onana
Striker - Gyokeres 60m
MC - Pablo Barrios 45m
LWB - Alvaro Fernandez 16m
DC - Ryan Flamingo/ Abdukodir Khusanov/ Tomas Araujo 45M
Gyokeres
Tillman Amad
Fernandez Ugarte Barrios Mazraoui
Araujo De Ligt Yoro
Onana
Kelleher would be an obvious one for me, he's prem proven and is good with his feet, quality under pens and would have a chip on his shoulder with the way the scousers have treated him.
Only thing I would add to that is another CB, someone like Ousmane Diomande who is physically suited to the Prem and is fantastic on the ball. Realistically cannot be counting on Shaw to be an option for us there.
I like the suggestions a lot though and would absolutely love us to make that happen. However, i think we could do with adding some more experienced (yet still pre-peak) players into the squad. Something like:
Jan 2025
Miguel Gutierrez (LWB)
Nypan (AM)
Osimhen (ST) - Loan to buy
Summer 2025
Ousmane Diomande (CB)
Quenda or Dorgu (WB)
Baleba (CM)
Angel Gomes (CM)
Matheus Cunha (AM)
For me this has a solid balance of youth, experience, knowledge of the league and flexibility to suit both RA’s 343 and other future systems.
Obviously this will require us to offload some big names such as Rashford, Casemiro, Bruno, Dalot plus maybe Zirkzee, but if we can, it’s definitely within reach.
Cherki is a great shout. We definitely wouldn’t miss Bruno’s creativity with him the side that’s for sure.
I didn't say that of course. The squad will change over time like all teams. But we can judge amorim before that just like people did with klopp - the style was very clear in his first 12 months. Amorim needs to show the same. Excuses will just lead us down the wrong path again.
Mike Maignan
Alphonso Davies or Theo Hernandez
Nahuel Molina or Hakimi
Pedro Goncalves
Dani Olmo
Jonathan David
Victor Osimhen
This should just about do it
Alphonso Davies or Theo Hernandez
Nahuel Molina or Hakimi
Pedro Goncalves
Dani Olmo
Jonathan David
Victor Osimhen
This should just about do it
Fair enough, we agree then.
You’d think this is large part of the reason why they insisted he joins now rather than at the end of the season, so that they can see if he is making progress and if so back him heavily in the summer.
Will be interesting to see how they handle things if it continues in a similar vein as now and we finish outside of the top 10.
LWB-Nuno Mendes 50-60? Alvaro Carreras 15
CB-Goncalo Inacio 40-50, Dier free
RWB-Vanderson 30
CM-Hugo Larsson 50, Douglas Luiz 40, Hackney or Rigg 20-40
CAM-Cunha 50, Lee Kang In or Eze 40-50
ST-Osimhen 60-70
Then get rid of about 13 players like we did last summer.
CB-Goncalo Inacio 40-50, Dier free
RWB-Vanderson 30
CM-Hugo Larsson 50, Douglas Luiz 40, Hackney or Rigg 20-40
CAM-Cunha 50, Lee Kang In or Eze 40-50
ST-Osimhen 60-70
Then get rid of about 13 players like we did last summer.
Yes absolutely. You would think with stronger leadership we can weather that. But not clear who is making the decisions to me. They should replace ashworth long before that decision comes up.
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Those who are quality at a good age to the starting XI (not just squad players that could develop too). Important thing here is they are able to add something we lack, that offers clear and immediate upside.
RWB - Frimpong - Pace, on the ball ability and link up and a good wide creator too. Obvious upside in terms of speed but lacks physicality which means we’d need to add height elsewhere.
LWB - Kerkez/Davies/Álvaro Carreras/Ait-Nouri - Each offer slight difference but all add either physical or technical traits that we sorely lack. All would be a tremendous upgrade on forcing Dalot to play LB, Shaw who never plays and Malacia who has clearly stalled due to injury.
CM - Barella/Ederson/Guimares/Tchouameni/Koopmeiners - I genuinely think we could get any of these players but all offer physical improvements to our midfield while not sacrificing technical aspects too much. Arguably Tchouameni is the least technical but his physical traits are the best.
AM - Wirtz/Palmer/Olmo/Goncalves/Cunha/Sancet - Wirtz and Palmer probably pipe dreams but absolutely the top quality we need to aim for. The rest offer the technical or physical profiles we lack in this position. All of them comfortable on the ball.
ST -Isak/Osimhen/Gyokeres - Again all offer something we don’t have, proven goals, and experience with physicality too.
Obviously that’s an expensive list of players but they’re all good ages entering peak or in early peak and clearly address a glaring weakness in our first XI.
I’d rather spend a lot of money on 2/3 of these than buy squad options again.
RWB - Frimpong - Pace, on the ball ability and link up and a good wide creator too. Obvious upside in terms of speed but lacks physicality which means we’d need to add height elsewhere.
LWB - Kerkez/Davies/Álvaro Carreras/Ait-Nouri - Each offer slight difference but all add either physical or technical traits that we sorely lack. All would be a tremendous upgrade on forcing Dalot to play LB, Shaw who never plays and Malacia who has clearly stalled due to injury.
CM - Barella/Ederson/Guimares/Tchouameni/Koopmeiners - I genuinely think we could get any of these players but all offer physical improvements to our midfield while not sacrificing technical aspects too much. Arguably Tchouameni is the least technical but his physical traits are the best.
AM - Wirtz/Palmer/Olmo/Goncalves/Cunha/Sancet - Wirtz and Palmer probably pipe dreams but absolutely the top quality we need to aim for. The rest offer the technical or physical profiles we lack in this position. All of them comfortable on the ball.
ST -Isak/Osimhen/Gyokeres - Again all offer something we don’t have, proven goals, and experience with physicality too.
Obviously that’s an expensive list of players but they’re all good ages entering peak or in early peak and clearly address a glaring weakness in our first XI.
I’d rather spend a lot of money on 2/3 of these than buy squad options again.
Looking at the current squad, the serious lack of talent, and the way the manager wants to play, we probably need at least:
Striker X1
#10 X1
Wing back X2
Midfielder X 1
Left CB X1
Goalkeeper X1
And that's just for starters. Then we need to pretty much rebuild the rest of the squad too.
Striker X1
#10 X1
Wing back X2
Midfielder X 1
Left CB X1
Goalkeeper X1
And that's just for starters. Then we need to pretty much rebuild the rest of the squad too.
that would be 4 incredible signings but also massive pipedream
The players are not going to improve significantly whoever the manager is. The squad is going to be dismantled so it’s about working out how many of the minority are going to be useful.
I hope people are aware that we do not have a lot of money to spend. So I do not think that much will happen in January, if anything at all.
Besides that many people talk about selling players as if that would change our situation. We have already sold a lot of players, and where are we now? We are worse than ever. We have sold or said goodbye to:
- Fred
- McTominay
- Ronaldo
- De Gea
- Amrabat
- Sabitzer
- Bissaka
- Sancho.
- And maybe Rashford is about to go too.
Besides that many people talk about selling players as if that would change our situation. We have already sold a lot of players, and where are we now? We are worse than ever. We have sold or said goodbye to:
- Fred
- McTominay
- Ronaldo
- De Gea
- Amrabat
- Sabitzer
- Bissaka
- Sancho.
- And maybe Rashford is about to go too.
So we shouldn’t sell or buy players anymore?
I do not think we can buy any players in January, as I said. And of course we should sell players, but many people seem to think that the solution for United right now is to sell half of the squad.
Only player I half-regret letting go for the money we did is Fred.
Frimpong
Korkez
Inacio
Cunha
Nypan
All very realistic and all at the age where they will improve hopefully hit their peak with us.
Korkez
Inacio
Cunha
Nypan
All very realistic and all at the age where they will improve hopefully hit their peak with us.
what do we need??? we need to get younger, more athletic and more willing runners
How do signing bonuses work for PSR purposes? Are they treated as a one-time expense, or a capital investment amortized over the life of the contract (like the transfer fee)?
Reason I ask is that if it's treated as a one-time expense, the club could start getting creative with its compensation packages (i.e., weight compensation more heavily towards signing bonuses and less towards wages in periods where we have more cap space to play with, thus freeing up cap space in future periods).
Reason I ask is that if it's treated as a one-time expense, the club could start getting creative with its compensation packages (i.e., weight compensation more heavily towards signing bonuses and less towards wages in periods where we have more cap space to play with, thus freeing up cap space in future periods).
Most obvious signings would be:
Lwb - Nunez/Kerkez/Ait-Nouri
Lcb - Inacio
Cm - Ederson/Nypan
Left #10 - Olmo/Cunha
Experienced Striker - Osimhen/Gyokeres
Left side needs a LOT of work
Lwb - Nunez/Kerkez/Ait-Nouri
Lcb - Inacio
Cm - Ederson/Nypan
Left #10 - Olmo/Cunha
Experienced Striker - Osimhen/Gyokeres
Left side needs a LOT of work
I like to see us go for lautaro martinez.
Is going to enter his peak years, has experience playing the formation, has experience at the highest level and I'd reckon he'd be an amazing support striker/number 10 hybrid.
Is going to enter his peak years, has experience playing the formation, has experience at the highest level and I'd reckon he'd be an amazing support striker/number 10 hybrid.
The guy at Inter who needs 15 chances to get 1 on target?
I haven't seen him in a while, but he'd have to have improved massively to be even worth considering.
Yeah the same guy.
He'll never be and shouldn't be the main man but he might allow someone like hojlund to reach his best.
Should slot in the Bruno position well enough.
Wouldn't keep Bruno that's for sure, also need to see more evidence Kobbie and Garnacho can play in his system as well
If someone offered the reported 60m for Garnacho (I think it was loan + option instead of obligation) then I'd bite their hand off. He does remind me of a young Ronaldo in that he was more interested in himself than the team, and I have doubts he'll rein himself in and play more team focused.
The squad is such a mess, this is about right. I’d probably go further:
Keep: Yoro, Ugarte, Mazraoui, De Ligt
Sell: Everyone else
Mainoo hasn’t convinced me, and I don’t know if Garnacho will ever be more than an impact sub.
Feels like we are a long way away from being half decent any time soon - it’s painful
We need new players for sure. Obviously we can’t replace everyone at the same time, so we need to keep some of them.
Feel free to shoot me down but Grealish would be ideal for a spot on the forward line. He carries the ball, gains yards. Is exactly what this team needs. Only issue is he's not a goalscorer. But everything else is there. Hes miles ahead of rashford garnacho and anthony
Wish I had a gun now
ETH really did break the club through all the power he was given, it’s absurd. This fraud easily cost us north of half a billion wasted on transfers alone 
and the squad can’t do the most basic things!
and the squad can’t do the most basic things!Bang bang.
Grealish is good for a team who wants lots of attacking set pieces. Wins lots of fouls. That’s about it.
What about someone like Nico Williams at LWB or Xavi Simons as a LAM? Thinking of young (21, 22 year old) but still fairly proven players to add to the team long-term. The typical striker names being discussed are more in the 25-27 age range.
Obviously either of these guys would be expensive, but something like this in the summer:
Williams / Simons: £75M
Center-mid: £40M
Striker: £40M
Centerback: £30M
Young prospect (Rigg, Nypan, etc): £10M
That's £195M in incomings; we spent about £180M last year. Between selling Sancho, Rashford, and others plus shedding a few larger salaries it seems doable. If you add Simons you'd still need to address LWB; could substitute the £30M at CB for someone like Ait-Nouri.
Is Nico Williams is a poor fit for Amorim's system due to lack of defensive abilities for LWB? It seemed like at Sporting at least one of the wingbacks was mostly an attacking player.
Obviously either of these guys would be expensive, but something like this in the summer:
Williams / Simons: £75M
Center-mid: £40M
Striker: £40M
Centerback: £30M
Young prospect (Rigg, Nypan, etc): £10M
That's £195M in incomings; we spent about £180M last year. Between selling Sancho, Rashford, and others plus shedding a few larger salaries it seems doable. If you add Simons you'd still need to address LWB; could substitute the £30M at CB for someone like Ait-Nouri.
Is Nico Williams is a poor fit for Amorim's system due to lack of defensive abilities for LWB? It seemed like at Sporting at least one of the wingbacks was mostly an attacking player.
Arsenal should buy him.
Grealish is damaged goods now that Guardiola has made him into a robot, he has lost what made him the player City initially bought.
He also suits a more direct team I feel than a possession base one, same with Haaland.
Arteta will revive him like Sterling.
I agree he would be an instant improvement on Onana, but if Pool don't want to do direct business with us we should look to Ramsdale after Southampton get relegated. He is good with the ball at his feet, has the ability to hit quality long balls, and he can actually make saves.
I can’t believe how many on here want to sell Mainoo.
Yes he’s had a poor season this year, but Christ.
He was one of our best players last season, then played for England including the euros final, with little to no rest.
Then picked up an injury, still incredibly talented just having a poor time.
I think some of you are so reactionary, you would of sold Ronaldo when he was a kid, taking 10 shots a game with no end product.