What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

We need 5 players this summer.

RWB - Looks like Quenda will be sorted at some point in the future.

CM - Dynamic, ball playing box to box midfielder.

ST - Someone who knows how to score goals and can actually control the ball and create chances for themselves.

CAM - Dynamic dribbler who can score and create for others.

Tyler Dibbling - I know he would play a CAM I just seen him as a generational talent, who would be around for 10+ years.

Where's the GK? I can't handle another year with Onana, I'll be bald if I have to tolerate another year with him
 
We need 5 players this summer.

RWB - Looks like Quenda will be sorted at some point in the future.

CM - Dynamic, ball playing box to box midfielder.

ST - Someone who knows how to score goals and can actually control the ball and create chances for themselves.

CAM - Dynamic dribbler who can score and create for others.

Tyler Dibbling - I know he would play a CAM I just seen him as a generational talent, who would be around for 10+ years.
RWB - Quenda
CM - Baleba/Ederson
ST - Gyokeres
CAM/L10 Cunha/Dibbling
 
If the best we can do is leon friggin bailey then our transfer policy is even more shite than I thought.

Wow nearly rock bottom
 
Where's the GK? I can't handle another year with Onana, I'll be bald if I have to tolerate another year with him
Yeah your right, just don’t know how far we can stretch it.

Onana is shocking, I am pretty confident that they will look to replace him, problem is goal scoring is our major issue, so guessing that’s where the majority of the budget will go.
 
To anyone who watches the Portuguese league - just how good is Gyokeres? I fear people are looking at stats and coming to conclusions without using their eyes much.
Yeah, I'm very nervous about us getting rinsed for Gyokeres and then him being not up to the standard for the Premier League. There's such a pitiful dearth of quality strikers at the moment that there isn't one dead cert you could bank on buying and knowing they would be class for us.
 
I have no idea what we need at this point. Quicker to tell you what we don't need to fix.

What is almost certainly a step backwards is replacing Rashford and Antony with Lecce's LB. I'm all for hipster football takes, but that's just nuts.
 
Yeah, I'm very nervous about us getting rinsed for Gyokeres and then him being not up to the standard for the Premier League. There's such a pitiful dearth of quality strikers at the moment that there isn't one dead cert you could bank on buying and knowing they would be class for us.
Same. He'll be 27 when next season starts so he's in his prime, but I just fear that people are looking at his stats for Sporting, together with his familiarity with Amorim, and concluding he's the magical missing piece in the jigsaw. His career prior to Sporting is pretty average, so he could just be a relatively late bloomer and the one that got away for Brighton. Isak's career prior to Newcastle didn't exactly scream superstar either, and maybe his compatriot would deliver something similar in the PL.

But it's equally likely, or more likely imo, that people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 here. I'd just like to get feedback from people who actually watch him.
 
Same. He'll be 27 when next season starts so he's in his prime, but I just fear that people are looking at his stats for Sporting, together with his familiarity with Amorim, and concluding he's the magical missing piece in the jigsaw. His career prior to Sporting is pretty average, so he could just be a relatively late bloomer and the one that got away for Brighton. Isak's career prior to Newcastle didn't exactly scream superstar either, and maybe his compatriot would deliver something similar in the PL.

But it's equally likely, or more likely imo, that people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 here. I'd just like to get feedback from people who actually watch him.
It's much more likely we grab Quenda and a PL proven striker imo
 
RWB - Quenda
CM - Baleba/Ederson
ST - Gyokeres
CAM/L10 Cunha/Dibbling
Think you’ve almost hit nail on the head, I think we will prioritise in this order:

ST - Gyokeres
RWB - Quenda looks to be very likely
CM - Ederson
CB - Schlotterbeck

These would be bonus signings:
CAM - Cunha/Mbeumo/Dibbling
GK - ?
 
Who you thinking for prem striker then?
I really don't know. The bar is set so low that pretty much every teams no 9 looks better than ours. But all PL strikers look physically stronger since the defenders tend to be much stronger here.

The Portuguese league always looks a lot more open at the back, and when I see montages if goals from there I'm dubious similar goals could be scored in our league.
 
What about Mehdi Taremi on loan, always a sub for Inter (Martinez & Thuram ahead of him) but still is a pressing machine when he gets on the pitch. I’m sure we have been linked before. Could play in those 10 positions too
 
We need two attacking players. We have lost way too many attackers and has not replaced Greenwood, Antony, Rashford. We have signed Zhirkee only. Ideally we sign Tel and Nkuku. Sacrifice a goat and make sure Nkuku remains fit for remainder of the season and utilize Tel as LAM and Nkuku through the middle.
 
Yeah, I'm very nervous about us getting rinsed for Gyokeres and then him being not up to the standard for the Premier League. There's such a pitiful dearth of quality strikers at the moment that there isn't one dead cert you could bank on buying and knowing they would be class for us.
I would prefer we take a chance on Jonathan David on a free in the summer on a reasonable salary, in case he flops we could easily offload him for a small fee.
 
I would prefer we take a chance on Jonathan David on a free in the summer on a reasonable salary, in case he flops we could easily offload him for a small fee.

Why not both? We clearly need 2 strikers. Neither Zirkzee or Højlund are it.
 
Who you thinking for prem striker then?

We definitely need at least

GK
LCB
RWB
DM
CM/AM
ST x2

This is depressing but probably realistic. We need at least 2 midfielders/10s and 2 wide players. With Martinez out I would also like 2 CBs as both Maguire and de Ligt will always hinder the system Amorim wants to implement. Both are good old school CBs but compared to Martinez the lack in passing and going forward is obvious. Of course it had to be him getting seriously injured. Also Yoro needs a lot more time and cannot be relied on as starter for the time being.
GK yes but for me not that high on the list. Also striker of course but before that I would first get in some other players and see what Rasmus and Zirkzee can do when served better chances. No way they are both as bad as it looks right now.
 
Given the quality of the players we are linked with and none of them sound good or in form...

Why not make a loan plus option deal for Nypan? Get him into the system. He's a Man Utd fan, genuinely offers something different and could be bedded in during a dead rubber of a season.

He's someone touted as generational. Let him be the option from the bench for the rest of the season.
 
I'd say we need:
GK
RWB
CB
CMx2
AM
ST

Outgoings:
Onana
Lindelof
Evans
Malacia
Eriksen
Casemiro
Rashford
Anthony
Sancho
 
This is depressing but probably realistic. We need at least 2 midfielders/10s and 2 wide players. With Martinez out I would also like 2 CBs as both Maguire and de Ligt will always hinder the system Amorim wants to implement. Both are good old school CBs but compared to Martinez the lack in passing and going forward is obvious. Of course it had to be him getting seriously injured. Also Yoro needs a lot more time and cannot be relied on as starter for the time being.
GK yes but for me not that high on the list. Also striker of course but before that I would first get in some other players and see what Rasmus and Zirkzee can do when served better chances. No way they are both as bad as it looks right now.

Hate to say it but honestly think they are both as bad as they are looking right now. Should be looking at an Osimhen/Gyokeres and David in the summer to replace them.
 
I think outside of the obvious (ST/Wingbacks) we desperately need a creative midfielder and a powerful tall-striding midfielder who can spin on the turn and break lines. Preferably combined. We essentially need a Pogba without the attitude.
 
I think outside of the obvious (ST/Wingbacks) we desperately need a creative midfielder and a powerful tall-striding midfielder who can spin on the turn and break lines. Preferably combined. We essentially need a Pogba without the attitude.

Pogba without the attitude would arguably be the best player on the planet right now.
 
GK: new GK, Onana/Bayindir
RCB: Yoro, Mazraoui, (De Ligt)
CB: De Ligt, Maguire, (Heaven)
LCB: new LCB, Licha, (Heaven)
RWB/RM: Amad*, new RWB/RM
DM: Ugarte, new CM (DLP), Collyer
CM: new CM (B2B), (Bruno), (Kobbie)
LWB/LM: Dorgu, new LWB/LM
RCAM: Bruno*, Kobbie*, (Amad)
LCAM: new CAM, Garnacho, (Kobbie)
CF: new CF, Hojlund, (Chido Obi)

*positions can differ depending on transfers

so we need:
- new GK: Kovar / Costa
- new LCB: Hincapie / Murillo / Lukeba
- new RWB/RM: Frimpong / Quenda / Bellanova / Vanderson
- new CM (DLP): Angel Gomes / Palacios
- new CM (B2B): Hugo Larsson / Ederson / Joao Gomes
- new LWM/LM: Nuno Tavares / Miguel Gutierrez / Grimaldo
- new CAM: Cunha / Mbeumo / Kluivert / Eze / Damsgaard / Gibbs-White
- new CF: Gyokeres / Osimhen

as we're tight with PSR, sell/loan following players:
- Onana or Bayindir (sell)
- Lindelof (end of contract)
- Evans (end of contract)
- Luke Shaw (sell/loan)
- Dalot (sell)
- Malacia (sell)
- Casemiro (sell)
- Eriksen (end of contract)
- Mount (loan/sell)
- Sancho (sell)
- Antony (sell)
- Rashford (sell)
- Zirkzee (sell)
- Hojlund (if possible, sell)

Of course we cannot sign everyone and realistically I reckon we could only fix 3-4 positions next summer even with all the outgoings, so I would set priorities:
1. CF
2. CM
3. CAM
4. RM/RWB
5. LCB
6. GK, CM, LM/LWB

With buyback options (Kovar) and free signings (Angel Gomes), we might fix some positions easily.

My dream scenario would be something like this:
- Gyokeres / Osimhen as a starting CF who will give us goals = £55m
- Hugo Larsson to make us more creative in midfield = £35m
- Cunha, as a new no.10 to compete with Garnacho/Amad/Mainoo and backup CF = £60-70m (depends how big his release clause is and if we can afford him while we also sign 3 other players. Alternatively another EPL-proven player from the list who's cheaper)
- Frimpong to give us pace and attacking threat on the right side, experience to compensate Dorgu's lack of it on the other side = £33m (if buyout clause is still valid)
- Angel Gomes as rotational option and Matej Kovar to compete for the no.1 spot (~£15m)

The ideal strategy would be:
- the main goal is to fix our lack of attacking threat and to get players who are physically ready to play Amorim's tactics
- Save salary from the high earners (Sancho, Rashford, Casemiro, Shaw, Mount), even get a bit of transfer fee for them (especially our loaned players like Antony or Rashford after hopefully playing well for their new clubs).
- Avoid making the mistake of signing too young players under 20 (like Quenda, Dibling), as we've got a lot of them already + trust in our strong academy. Get experienced players. We could still get those youngsters when we've become more stable, and if we lose them to other clubs, let's accept it.
- Fix our overblown wages problem. don't give too high wages to new players. If they demand it, back off.
 
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I think outside of the obvious (ST/Wingbacks) we desperately need a creative midfielder and a powerful tall-striding midfielder who can spin on the turn and break lines. Preferably combined. We essentially need a Pogba without the attitude.

Yeah definitely need that hybrid of player but with no money there's just no way to fund it
 
I think outside of the obvious (ST/Wingbacks) we desperately need a creative midfielder and a powerful tall-striding midfielder who can spin on the turn and break lines. Preferably combined. We essentially need a Pogba without the attitude.
I actually think a midfield duo of Bruno and Ugarte is fine. They'd look better with a better attack in front. Need depth for them though
 
(If United fans are being completely honest with themselves, we need major surgery in the summer and have no funds, so we will need to sell to create buying opportunities. We can’t get rid of 15/20 players, even though we probably should!

Players who must be Sold/Released
A Onana - £20m
V Lindelof - Released
Casemiro - £15m
T Mallacia - £5m
J Evan’s - Released
C Eriksen- Released
A Garnaucho - £75m only sell if we receive a bid like this (HG Profit) / we should keep him
M Rashford - £40m (Profit HG)
Antony - £15m
J Zirkzee - £35m
J Sancho - £25m

The most important part is removing 9/10 players, we should keep Garnaucho but if someone bids £75m we should sell and use the money to reinvest. If Rashford is sold we won’t need to sell Garnaucho as his sell would allow us to spend nearly £100m on players under PSSR.

If we sell all of these players and remove certain players from the wage structure, we could spend £300m in the summer. We really do need a blend of PL experience and best young options from Europe.

Players we Should be targeting;
Goalkeeper ( James Trafford) £30m
CM - Ederson 50m
AM - A Gomes Free
WB - Quenda 45m
L10 - Cunha 60m
R10 - T Dybling 45m
CF - V Gykores or V Osimhen £65m

Total cost would be ; £295m if we have to sell Hojlund as well then so be it but these are the players we should be targeting.

Three homegrown/English players, One who is 18 and will be homegrown and two brilliant Brazilians(Portuguese Connection) and Amorim main man that he loves.

We need to see a squad like this in the summer to be confident of watching our team rise again;

Squad 25/26
Goalkeeper (J Trafford, A Bayinder,
E Harrison)
Defenders (L Martinez, L Shaw, A Heaven,
N Mazraoui, MDL, H Maguire, L Yoro)
Wingbacks (G Quenda, P Dorgu, D Dalot, A Diallo, D Leon)
Midfielder (K Mainoo, M Ugarte, T Collyer, Ederson, A Gomes, S Kone)
Number 10’s (M Cunha, M Mount,T Dybling, A Garnaucho, Bruno)
Number 9’s (V Gyokeres, R Hojlund, Chido Obi Martin)

This Squad is a huge upgrade on the garbage have currently but it will cost £300m or maybe £150m net.
 
(If United fans are being completely honest with themselves, we need major surgery in the summer and have no funds, so we will need to sell to create buying opportunities. We can’t get rid of 15/20 players, even though we probably should!

Players who must be Sold/Released
A Onana - £20m
V Lindelof - Released
Casemiro - £15m
T Mallacia - £5m
J Evan’s - Released
C Eriksen- Released
A Garnaucho - £75m only sell if we receive a bid like this (HG Profit) / we should keep him
M Rashford - £40m (Profit HG)
Antony - £15m
J Zirkzee - £35m
J Sancho - £25m

The most important part is removing 9/10 players, we should keep Garnaucho but if someone bids £75m we should sell and use the money to reinvest. If Rashford is sold we won’t need to sell Garnaucho as his sell would allow us to spend nearly £100m on players under PSSR.

If we sell all of these players and remove certain players from the wage structure, we could spend £300m in the summer. We really do need a blend of PL experience and best young options from Europe.

Players we Should be targeting;
Goalkeeper ( James Trafford) £30m
CM - Ederson 50m
AM - A Gomes Free
WB - Quenda 45m
L10 - Cunha 60m
R10 - T Dybling 45m
CF - V Gykores or V Osimhen £65m

Total cost would be ; £295m if we have to sell Hojlund as well then so be it but these are the players we should be targeting.

Three homegrown/English players, One who is 18 and will be homegrown and two brilliant Brazilians(Portuguese Connection) and Amorim main man that he loves.

We need to see a squad like this in the summer to be confident of watching our team rise again;

Squad 25/26
Goalkeeper (J Trafford, A Bayinder,
E Harrison)
Defenders (L Martinez, L Shaw, A Heaven,
N Mazraoui, MDL, H Maguire, L Yoro)
Wingbacks (G Quenda, P Dorgu, D Dalot, A Diallo, D Leon)
Midfielder (K Mainoo, M Ugarte, T Collyer, Ederson, A Gomes, S Kone)
Number 10’s (M Cunha, M Mount,T Dybling, A Garnaucho, Bruno)
Number 9’s (V Gyokeres, R Hojlund, Chido Obi Martin)

This Squad is a huge upgrade on the garbage have currently but it will cost £300m or maybe £150m net.
I agree we need a massive turnover of players this summer but given we don't have much liquidity even with the best case scenario of us getting reasonable money for our deadwood theres no way we'll be able to spend circa 300 million this summer.

And whats more I dont think we should either. Aside from the ST position I think we should aim for the low-mid tier of players instead of aiming for the Cunhas/Diblings. We are clearly a lower mid table team in terms of quality.

Much as it hurts to admit we are in no position where the addition of 2-3 genuine top class players will help us transform as a side. We need to look at how the likes of Palace and Bournemouth built their sides, i.e. buying players around the 15-20m mark. Thats the only way we'll be able to buy the 7,8+ players that we need to overhaul.

Dorgu was a step in the right direction but unfortunately our spending this past summer still shows that we're shopping at Harrods and deluding ourselves that one or two quality players will magically bring us back to the top.

There was never any need to gamble 50m+ on Yoro. We could have gotten 2 to 3 serviceable premier league professionals for that money. Look at Lacroix at Palace bought for 15m pounds and probably gonna perform at a higher level than Yoro for the foreseeable future. Only 24 too. Similarly its sheer madness spending that much on say Quenda instead of spreading that money around to buy athletic, powerful professionals.
 
Really hope we don't start raiding the Portuguese league the way we previously did with the Dutch league, as some are suggesting
 
Would be quite funny if we got a few injuries and got relegated. Would serve the owners right
think we got too big of a buffer now to really go down. Leicester and ipswich have thrown a couple results away recently as well that couldve made it tighter. Should be fine now, barring an immense collapse.
 
think we got too big of a buffer now to really go down. Leicester and ipswich have thrown a couple results away recently as well that couldve made it tighter. Should be fine now, barring an immense collapse.
True but if Amad and Garnacho got injured we would literally have 0 attack.

How would we ever score?
 
people wanting Quenda are the same who moan about Yoro's performances. Teenagers from foreign leagues need several seasons to adapt and it's a massive gamble to get them as starters. Amad also took ages to flourish. We should first sign some key players in their early/mid 20s.

edit: Don't get me wrong. I rate Quenda highly and would love to sign him, but we should think about wether it's the right timing for that.
 
So we were lacking and weak before the transfer window, and we're probably even more lacking and weaker with a few hours to go. Got it, Ineos revolution is a joy to behold.