What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

JackRowley said:
I think it’s worth a punt on Ivan Toney, I saw a lot of him playing at Peterborough and when he left there for Brentford I thought United could have took a chance on him, he’s very good at both ends of the pitch, can hold ball up and can help defensively, very good in the air.
The only issue I had with him was picking up silly bookings for dissent.
Click to expand...
His €30M/year net wages should be the main issue.
 
I’ve not given up on this window just yet. I’m not sure any of us know the true state of our finances or what Sir Jim’s real intentions are. I like to think that we will move Rashford, Antony and Garnacho on. Maybe not for the money we’d like but anything would be progress. The fact we’ve targeted two No 10’s at the outset suggests to me we are far from done yet. Amorim stating he wants an athletic midfielder seems to be credible, so I can see that happening. I can also, just about, see us getting another WB. Unless we get a really good offer for Onana, I think we are likely stuck with him in goal next season. But 4 good additions, if we can get them, would a big upgrade. The biggest question mark I have is over Bruno - where does he fit if we get these 4 in?. I really think we needed the Saudi money for him, and the talk of us persuading him to stay was just lip service. Think we would have happily taken the money on offer.
 
George The Best said:
I’ve not given up on this window just yet. I’m not sure any of us know the true state of our finances or what Sir Jim’s real intentions are. I like to think that we will move Rashford, Antony and Garnacho on. Maybe not for the money we’d like but anything would be progress. The fact we’ve targeted two No 10’s at the outset suggests to me we are far from done yet. Amorim stating he wants an athletic midfielder seems to be credible, so I can see that happening. I can also, just about, see us getting another WB. Unless we get a really good offer for Onana, I think we are likely stuck with him in goal next season. But 4 good additions, if we can get them, would a big upgrade. The biggest question mark I have is over Bruno - where does he fit if we get these 4 in?. I really think we needed the Saudi money for him, and the talk of us persuading him to stay was just lip service. Think we would have happily taken the money on offer.
Click to expand...
Yeah would have been ideal to start the midfield rebuild with that Bruno money but that's academic
 
croadyman said:
Yeah would have been ideal to start the midfield rebuild with that Bruno money but that's academic
Click to expand...
We should have sold Mainoo, Garnacho, and Bruno so that we could rebuild a perfect Voltron for Amorim, so he could get sacked by Christmas, and we’d have a random XI for the next manager.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
We should have sold Mainoo, Garnacho, and Bruno so that we could rebuild a perfect Voltron for Amorim, so he could get sacked by Christmas, and we’d have a random XI for the next manager.
Click to expand...
Why don't we sell all the players Amorim wants to keep? Then we can see what kind of manager he is with the players he doesn't want?
 
Last edited:
Wing Attack Plan R said:
We should have sold Mainoo, Garnacho, and Bruno so that we could rebuild a perfect Voltron for Amorim, so he could get sacked by Christmas, and we’d have a random XI for the next manager.
Click to expand...
Forgot how much you wanted Ruben out so thanks for reminding me of that little fact again
 
croadyman said:
Forgot how much you wanted Ruben out so thanks for reminding me of that little fact again
Click to expand...
I think he failed his audition. And it’s strange we have different standards for coaches than players. Selling our best player, Bruno, to back a head coach whose performance can mildly be described as a fecking disaster, is the height of madness.
 
Even if we get mbuemo not getting any central mids or CF would be a huge blow, not to mention keeping Onana. I mean best case we think mainoo will take a step forward, case has one year left to summon everything once a well, ugarte is the destroyer and Bruno holds up there. CF guess we just pray zirkzee turns into a good false 9 type? Idk man
 
FerociousCorgis said:
Even if we get mbuemo not getting any central mids or CF would be a huge blow, not to mention keeping Onana. I mean best case we think mainoo will take a step forward, case has one year left to summon everything once a well, ugarte is the destroyer and Bruno holds up there. CF guess we just pray zirkzee turns into a good false 9 type? Idk man
Click to expand...
I can take Onana as his general level is good enough but he’s just way too prone to calamity. Midfield though will be a disaster area with Bruno, Casemiro and Ugarte lining up together for most games.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
Even if we get mbuemo not getting any central mids or CF would be a huge blow, not to mention keeping Onana. I mean best case we think mainoo will take a step forward, case has one year left to summon everything once a well, ugarte is the destroyer and Bruno holds up there. CF guess we just pray zirkzee turns into a good false 9 type? Idk man
Click to expand...
Would you take Douglas Luiz, yes I know it's not Baleba/Wharton/Ederson but feel he could do a job
 
RedRocket9908 said:
RWB is one of the positions we need to strengthen as well
Click to expand...
croadyman said:
I agree but where would you put it on priority list
Click to expand...

I can only really understand the Mbeumo signing if we're expecting Amad to play significant games at RWB.

Amad, Dumfries, Dalot, Mazraoui seems very much like overkill, particularly for a team that has no European football.

If we were cashing in on Dalot, it might make sense, but there's no sign of that happening.
 
Never ending story is us needing an experienced, top DoF, but in this crucial time we go with completely inexperienced Wilcox. Clear as day he’s learning on the job.
 
Hope we take advantage of Chelsea's plight and swipe a few of their hot prospects at fire sale prices. Andrey Santos, Josh Acheampong and yes, we'll take Quenda too if you please. If you need a home for Estevao, we'll do you a favour there too.
 
Todd said:
If there's any chance he'd be interested in joining, we should be all over this. Very good player.
Click to expand...
He's 29, would be blocking our most exciting player and will be redundant when we sack Amorim and revert to a back four. We should avoid impulse buying this window.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
He's 29, would be blocking our most exciting player and will be redundant when we sack Amorim and revert to a back four. We should avoid impulse buying this window.
Click to expand...

We could spend 21 million on Dumfries and push Amad to one of the 10s rather than spend 65 million on Mbeumo.
 
Todd said:
We could spend 21 million on Dumfries and push Amad to one of the 10s rather than spend 65 million on Mbeumo.
Click to expand...
Dunno man, would much prefer Mbeumo to Dumfries. He's a good bit younger and scored 20 goals last season. We'd be paying big wages for Dumfries and he'd be well over 30 for four years of his five year contract. That hasn't historically worked out well for us. Need to start building a proper squad that can grow together.
 
Pump the squad with experience I say. 7 signings, 4 with league experience and 3 with ample experience at CL and International level.

Pope - 10m
Dumfries - 20m
Theo Hernandez - 20m
Ruben Neves - 20m
Mbuemo - 65m
Cunha - 62.5m
Osimhen - 65m

We’ll then have the bones of a squad that can play Ruben’s system and should be getting top 6 at a minimum. The dreamer in me says we’re then only a new starting GK, a new CCB and a Carlos Baleba away from a side that can genuinely challenge for the league.

If it all goes tits up at least all of those players except perhaps Dumfries can easily shift to a standard 4231, even then I think that sort of stuff is over emphasised slightly.

Now we just need some cash in the bank to do it, so it’s a good job we’ve sold nobody so far…
 
Assuming we get Mbeumo over the line at some point, shouldn't we prioritize our CM position more than the striker situation? Cunha and Mbeumo will be a big upgrade on what we had last season to add to the goals. But playing Casemiro and Bruno in the midfield in a highline isn't going to win us many games(?)
 
beck7 said:
Assuming we get Mbeumo over the line at some point, shouldn't we prioritize our CM position more than the striker situation? Cunha and Mbeumo will be a big upgrade on what we had last season to add to the goals. But playing Casemiro and Bruno in the midfield in a highline isn't going to win us many games(?)
Click to expand...
Yeah I would agree with you, however once Bruno said he wasn't leaving I didn't see us buying a CM. Our best hope is some kind of cash swap deal involving Sancho and Douglas Luiz.
 
beck7 said:
Assuming we get Mbeumo over the line at some point, shouldn't we prioritize our CM position more than the striker situation? Cunha and Mbeumo will be a big upgrade on what we had last season to add to the goals. But playing Casemiro and Bruno in the midfield in a highline isn't going to win us many games(?)
Click to expand...

Yes, we could try playing Zirkzee there with Cunha and Mbeumo on either side. If there are no real targets, then blowing up cash on some make-shift solution doesn't make sense.
 
This one's for INEOS, since we are in a transfer window and I think they've forgotten:
1. Sell players.
2. Buy players.
 
Tallis said:
Yes, we could try playing Zirkzee there with Cunha and Mbeumo on either side. If there are no real targets, then blowing up cash on some make-shift solution doesn't make sense.
Click to expand...
Depends who the midfielder is we are targeting
 
beck7 said:
Assuming we get Mbeumo over the line at some point, shouldn't we prioritize our CM position more than the striker situation? Cunha and Mbeumo will be a big upgrade on what we had last season to add to the goals. But playing Casemiro and Bruno in the midfield in a highline isn't going to win us many games(?)
Click to expand...
Don't think so really. Casemiro is finished and isn't the best fit with Fernandes, but I wouldn't say he brings less to the team as a midfielder than Hojlund does as a striker, and he still compliments Bruno more than Zirkzee compliments Cunha. There's also Ugarte.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
Even if we get mbuemo not getting any central mids or CF would be a huge blow, not to mention keeping Onana. I mean best case we think mainoo will take a step forward, case has one year left to summon everything once a well, ugarte is the destroyer and Bruno holds up there. CF guess we just pray zirkzee turns into a good false 9 type? Idk man
Click to expand...
I agree and its actually the striker position least concerned with now. I think we have enough good 10 options that ZIrkzee may work up front, or Cunha can even play there. Onana big errors worry me and biggest of all I feel is that strong presence in midfield. Although I think Ugarte should improve in his second season, never really been convinced by the hype long before we signed him. He does have some really good games but him and another year older Casemeiro, doesnt cut it for the season. A Baleba/Guerra/Onana (tho not him hate him) type player improves us hugely I feel, not signing one be a masive mistake as Kone not ready to step up quite yet I feel above being on the bench
 
You must log in or register to reply here.