This. It's difficult to rate our players with the current coaching team.Doesn't really matter who we need, until we get the manager position sorted out, I doubt it's going to make much difference.
If we don't make top 4, we can forget Haaland, for a start. He's not coming to United to play EL football.
The midfield is still a mass of bacterial infected arse puss no matter who the manager is, but I agree the rest of the positions need to be evaluated under a proper coaching set up.We need Varane to actually play more than 3 or 4 games in a row first, and with proper management, the defence might not be asbad as it currently looks.
In fact, ditto that for the whole line-up, with just a more defensive mobile mid added when possible.
RR will establish a system all over the club. All the youth teams will play the same system, the same idea as the 1st team.Seems like Ragnick is going to be in charge of our transfers coming up with him taking over a consulting position in the club.
Will be refreshing to finally see us have a system of play and it will be interesting to see who Ragnick decides to get in and who he lets go.
The players that comes in need to fit in Ragnicks Gegenpress system.
We need upgrades in most defending and midfield positions possibly even the goalkeeper.
What players do you hope we go for and who will fit in our new system?
I am very excited to see how we move in our upcoming transfer windows and how much control Ragnick really gonna have in our transfers.
I think currently we really only need someone for that second #6 position next to Fred. The good thing about the system we played today is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a pure defensive mid/deep lying playmaker type. While we are obviously lacking that with the decline of Matic, it isn't necessarily a requirement of that formation. I think getting in one or possibly even two midfielders is honestly the only thing the squad really "needs" at the moment. Very well stacked in just about every area in terms of a balance of experience, quality, and depth.Seeing as we seem to be going down the 4-2-2-2 route...
GK: DDG. Henderson/Heaton
RB: AWB, Laird/Dalot
CB: Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Bailly
LB: Shaw, Telles
CM: McTominay, Fred, Matic, Pogba
AM: Bruno, Sancho, VDB, Amad
CF: Ronaldo, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani
Players in bold need to be replaced in the match day squad ASAP. Midfield is obviously a priority with two new starters required. But a pacey fourth choice central defender (who can keep himself fit) is also important.
Next season, Elanga can take Cavani's spot after the latter's contract ends.
Then we need to figure out the future statuses of DDG, Henderson, Heaton, Laird and Dalot as first team players after the summer. But that's in our own hands.
Pogba, Matic, Bailly, Martial, Mata, Jones, Lingard, Tuanzebe, Williams, Chong, Pereira, DDG or Henderson or Heaton, and Laird or Dalot could do with getting cut off the wage bill.
Overall, we're in good shape. Only need 3 new players for a complete squad imo. Then the biggest remaining question mark would be over right back - but the winner out of Dalot and Laird at least deserves a chance to show what they can do.
This is the closest we've been to being a potentially dominant European side since about 2009. Plus, the age profile of the squad is really promising.
He was great at his peak. One of the best ball-playing CBs of his generation.played with Jerome Boateng for years and had success
Hello. I love a thread like this, where anyone gets to play manager. I couldn't resist having my say.I believe the 1st question should be who do we get rid of? We have far too many players who are not good enough and were never suitable for the club.
We should move on either Henderson or De Gea; we don't need both. I see Henderson moving on.
The following defenders should be moved on - Bailly, Tuanzebe, Jones, Telles and Wan Bisska as they are either limited or injury-prone or both.
The following midfielders need to be moved on - Lingard, Mata, Matic, Pogba as they are either limited, injury-prone, or both. There is also a major question mark about Van De Beek as he has failed to deliver with the limited chances he has had to date.
On the forwards that have, we should be moving on Martial and Cavani over the next few months.
My list has at least 12 players that will be either out of contract or need to move on over the next months. Whoever becomes the permanent manager will have to clear out the deadwood to make room for the players we need.
I recommend googling him to find out why no one will touch him with a barge poleFirstly we need to go shrewd in the transfer market inorder to remove the "desperate mark" that we have carried since Woodward came onboard.
We need two central midfielders, I recommend yves Bissouma and boubacar kamara , Bissouma as a b2b midfielder will be a big upgrade on mcfred and also he is epl proven.
He will bring steel, energy and agility to the midfield together with kamara which will give Bruno or Van be beek the freedom to roam about and create chances.
One attacker is needed too as martial and cavani as set to leave, Ronaldo is not going to stay long here.
Christopher Nkunku will be an ideal signing
Shrewd quality signings, enough of being exploited by clubs/agents in the market.
It will be a big shame if we pay 100m pounds for declan rice.
The mood at the training ground is said to be very low and concerns over dressing room cliques have not been helped by an upgrade to the canteen that has seen six four-seater booths installed.
The players are struggling to adjust to Rangnick’s later training sessions and left in the dark at 5pm on Tuesday.
I don't know why you are planning for the 4-2-2-2, as if Rangnick will still be manager next season. He will really have to do something special this season to get the permanent job which isn't looking likely at the moment.Cavani, Pogba, Lingard, Mata, Matic and Martial will all be gone after this season imo, and there may be more, I wouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo already has an exit strategy planned if we fail to get top 4. If it is just the 6 above that leave then the squad below in the 4-2-2-2 shows where we'll need additions.
Gk
De Gea
#2
Heaton
CB
Varane
Lindelof
Maguire
Bailly
FB
Shaw
Telles
Dalot
AWB
CM
Fred
McTominay
AM
Bruno
Sancho
Van de Beek
FW
Ronaldo
Rashford
Greenwood
I know some will want another fullback but I think we'll bring Laird back. The need for two central midfielders has been clear as day for ages, and we are going to need a forward to replace Cavani and Martial. With the 4th AM spot I'd like to see Hannibal and Amad given chances.
We've been linked to the below. I would like to see us pick Kamara up cheap in January and then try to get De Jong or Bellingham in the summer. I'm really not sure on the forward as I don't think we'll get Haaland who is clearly levels above any other option.
CM
De Jong
Tchouameni
Kamara
Bellingham
Rice
Haidara
FW
Haaland
Vlahovic
Alvarez
Big clubs will subsidise the wages like we did with Sanchez. It’s only really us though who are out of control. By the looks of things we are spending nearly 100 million more than city per year but on poor squad players. We need to stop hoarding and start using our pulling power to keep the squad as fresh as possible until we hit gold. Take the hits and keep the talent moving. Stop becoming the final stop for a big contract or two fc. Let it be known if you don’t succeed you’re out before your second deal.The biggest problem is that the Premier League top clubs are now being victim of their good financial position they are now: deadwood aint going anywhere unless their contract expires. No other clubs are paying the wages the EPL is paying.
Hard to disagree. We lacked a long term plan and a solid ambitious structure. It shouldn't matter the manager in charge, there shoud be a major plan that would at least keep us on top 4.Big clubs will subsidise the wages like we did with Sanchez. It’s only really us though who are out of control. By the looks of things we are spending nearly 100 million more than city per year but on poor squad players. We need to stop hoarding and start using our pulling power to keep the squad as fresh as possible until we hit gold. Take the hits and keep the talent moving. Stop becoming the final stop for a big contract or two fc. Let it be known if you don’t succeed you’re out before your second deal.
Yes I agree. Money and shoddy recruitment practices are at the root of all of our problems. More money than sense. I don’t see what hope a manager has when he can’t sell any player he wants to though. This goes back to Jose not being backed by the board. The players Ole got to sell was lip service. An exercise in PR. Those players publicly asked to leave. Anyone who wants to stay was allowed stay. We still have a contract on the table for Pogba to this day. Rashford and Martial are on Salah money. The cart is well and truly before the horse. Too many cooks and not enough of them know what they are doing. I hope there’s some clarity with Ralf now and he can really shake things up. It’s badly needed. We need to stop being such an easy target for cynical players and agents. We don’t make it easy on ourselves that’s for sure. The way we operate doesn’t put the players under any pressure to perform.Hard to disagree. We lacked a long term plan and a solid ambitious structure. It shouldn't matter the manager in charge, there shoud be a major plan that would at least keep us on top 4.
Unfortunatelly our market movements were too impulsive: need a midfielder? Let's buy the most expensive midfielder available (Pogba). Martial is the new Henry? Let's pay a ridiculous release clause of 80M€ before those values were the norm. Need a midfielder? Let's make a record breaking transfer in ukranian football for Fred.
Need a CB: lets pay 87M€ for Maguire.
Need goalscorers? let's sign Cavani and Ronaldo despite having to pay a ton of money on wages.
and so on
You think our wage bill is 100 million more than ManCity?Big clubs will subsidise the wages like we did with Sanchez. It’s only really us though who are out of control. By the looks of things we are spending nearly 100 million more than city per year but on poor squad players. We need to stop hoarding and start using our pulling power to keep the squad as fresh as possible until we hit gold. Take the hits and keep the talent moving. Stop becoming the final stop for a big contract or two fc. Let it be known if you don’t succeed you’re out before your second deal.
Yeah desperately need to sign one in January, really don't think we can afford to wait until the summer.We need balance in the team. For that you need either Ronaldo or Bruno in the side, not both, you need to get rid of Rashford and play Mason and Sancho regularly on the wings along with either Ronaldo as striker or Bruno as false 9.
Then we need a solid defensive midfielder like Kelvin Philips and a work horse like Haidera to bring the balance and grit in midfield. Our Defense seems sorted.
We're being punished for daring to value Martial and Rashford at the same level as SalahYes I agree. Money and shoddy recruitment practices are at the root of all of our problems. More money than sense. I don’t see what hope a manager has when he can’t sell any player he wants to though. This goes back to Jose not being backed by the board. The players Ole got to sell was lip service. An exercise in PR. Those players publicly asked to leave. Anyone who wants to stay was allowed stay. We still have a contract on the table for Pogba to this day. Rashford and Martial are on Salah money. The cart is well and truly before the horse. Too many cooks and not enough of them know what they are doing. I hope there’s some clarity with Ralf now and he can really shake things up. It’s badly needed. We need to stop being such an easy target for cynical players and agents. We don’t make it easy on ourselves that’s for sure. The way we operate doesn’t put the players under any pressure to perform.
It could easily be approaching it. Ronaldo Varane and Sancho is another 70 ish on top of what we were already spending. Lots of outlets have our wages at 220 and cities at 150. It’s obviously hard to know but it’s not beyond the realms of possibilities when we can’t get a fee for martial etc.You think our wage bill is 100 million more than ManCity?
It is beyond realms of possibilities, it won't take much time to search for their official accounts or Swiss ramble account either.It could easily be approaching it. Ronaldo Varane and Sancho is another 70 ish on top of what we were already spending. Lots of outlets have our wages at 220 and cities at 150. It’s obviously hard to know but it’s not beyond the realms of possibilities when we can’t get a fee for martial etc.
We are very badly run. Spending money isn’t the problem. It’s hoarding players, refusing to cut ties with under performing and under used players and over rewarding mediocrity.
it’s stands to reason that ours is a lot bigger when KDB is supposedly “only” on 330 per week and he’s their highest earner. We have Ronadlo Varane and DDG on similar or greater amounts and then the likes of Pogba not very far behind and demanding more than that to sign a new deal. We’ve been massively overpaying relative to output and the new transfers look like being along the same lines. I guess it’s the only way the board thought we could catch up and get these players, by overpaying for them. I would argue its probably just created a false sense of security within the squad.It is beyond realms of possibilities, it won't take much time to search for their official accounts or Swiss ramble account either.
People should stop using Sportrac or any other first links that's posted on Google search, they are terrible sources.
Even Spurs have bigger wage bill than 150 million, Serie A midtable clubs have bigger wages than that.
Us overpaying is obvious, City's is much higher than 150 million. Grealish is their highest earner, KdB, Sterling all are on 300k+.it’s stands to reason that ours is a lot bigger when KDB is supposedly “only” on 330 per week and he’s their highest earner. We have Ronadlo Varane and DDG on similar or greater amounts and then the likes of Pogba not very far behind and demanding more than that to sign a new deal. We’ve been massively overpaying relative to output and the new transfers look like being along the same lines. I guess it’s the only way the board thought we could catch up and get these players, by overpaying for them. I would argue its probably just created a false sense of security within the squad.
Just did a bit more digging on the Swiss ramble, interesting. Either way we have one of the worst ROI’s in football
It’s hard to get solid info on this. We all think we know who the highest earners are at each club and city are on record as having kdb on the guts of 350 and their highest earner and it makes sense if that was indeed the case. I’d be surprised if Grealish is on close to that with his first deal there. Lots of outlets reporting about 250 but for 6 years which would make some kind of sense. I just don’t understand what planet someone like Pogba is on demanding more than KDB to stay at a team who hasn’t challenged for anything for years, yet our owners are even worse for indulging him. It sends out a very poor message. That’s the only thing the players we seem to covet see in this club is that extra money. We need to fix that and draw a line in the sand at some point. It’s that same shoddy management that’s knocking on down to the players anyway. You’re trying to nurture a competitive environment, not a space where you’re unhappy but fully bought outUs overpaying is obvious, City's is much higher than 150 million. Grealish is their highest earner, KdB, Sterling all are on 300k+.