What midfielder is suited to partner Bruno in the double pivot?

I saw a suggestion on Atlantis YouTube that Ederson could play as a central defender stepping into midfield to give us a 3, to help Bruno have freedom. I like this idea

Yoro — Ederson — Heaven

With Ugarte — Bruno ahead
A lot of these suggestions made before the season starts often put players on team sheets as if we are playing in the J-League and teams will just watch us do what we want.

Not just you but I’ve seen many people have Yoro and Heaven in the back three. What team out there starts with two teenagers at CB and thinks to have a CM in there with them.

Then in midfield another player who is a traditional No.10 and Ugarte as the deepest CM but one who can’t pick up and play with the ball on the edge of his box.

I think we are going to be in for a rude surprise next season if we make no CM signings and Bruno is made a permanent CM. We will score more which is great but will probably only be good in transition and still concede a lot of goals.
 
I don't see we investing on the starting CM this year, given that Casemiro looks that is set to stay, and we have a lack of games, due to not playing in Europe.

If he leaves we probably will look for a CB/DM hybrid (alá Diomande) that is comfortable stepping into midfield from defence and hold the back of a two of Bruno/Ugarte/Maino midfield.

We also have Collyer and Kone potentially covering, and we seem to rate them both.

Next season we probably should look for deep lying playmaker type to balance the things out.
 
Isn’t that exactly what we brought Ugarte in for? From a defensive point of view, his numbers are hard to argue with — he breaks up play, covers ground, wins duels, and presses with intensity. But the issue has always been on the ball. That lack of composure and quality in possession is precisely why Amorim turned to Casemiro instead of Ugarte in our biggest game of the season against Spurs.

Casemiro might not be at his peak anymore, but he still offers a level of calmness and range in possession that Ugarte just doesn’t. Unfortunately, neither Casemiro nor Bruno looked particularly sharp that night, but both at least have the ability to play forward with intent and mix up their passing. And that’s where the real conversation begins — because if Bruno is a guaranteed starter, as he should be, we need to build around what he brings, and more importantly, what he doesn’t.

Bruno is high energy, high risk, high reward. He’s going to try the killer pass, lose the ball in dangerous areas, chase shadows at times, and throw everything into the final third. That’s his game. You can’t — and shouldn’t — try to coach that out of him. But it does mean whoever plays next to him has to offer what he can’t. Someone to sit in, take control, read danger, keep possession ticking, and bring calm to chaos. Basically, someone who balances out the volatility in Bruno’s style.

Think back to when Michael Carrick partnered Paul Scholes. Scholes had the freedom to drift, create and dictate, while Carrick operated in the background — intercepting, recycling possession, and making sure the game flowed. It wasn’t flashy, but it was crucial. That’s the kind of presence we’re missing in midfield.

The complication is that Amorim clearly values physicality. He wants his midfielders to be dominant — aggressive in the duels, aerially strong, capable of pressing high and covering ground. But the more attributes you add to the wishlist — technical ability, passing range, defensive nous, athleticism — the more you’re describing someone like Declan Rice or Caicedo. Players who command massive fees. And that kind of spending just doesn’t seem realistic at the moment, especially with the focus this summer clearly leaning toward attacking reinforcements.

That’s why Amorim has a real decision to make. What does this squad truly lack most? I was listening to Carl Anka on The Paddock, and he said what we need is a tall, athletic midfielder who can carry the ball when needed, shield the back four, and give us a physical presence — essentially, a more defensive version of Pogba. Not someone who needs to dictate the game, but someone who complements Bruno and gives the midfield a stronger spine.

That’s where players like Felix Nmecha come in. He’s physical, mobile, and offers ball-carrying from deep — something we sorely lack in the current squad. He’s not the most polished in possession, but he gives you a bit of everything: athleticism, defensive work rate, and enough technical ability to function in a double pivot. Anton Stach is another name that fits — less dynamic with the ball, but probably more tactically disciplined. He’s strong in the air, defends well, and rarely loses his shape.

Ultimately, it all comes back to Bruno. He’s not going to be benched, and rightly so, which means the player next to him needs to cover his gaps. Bruno doesn’t offer much defensive security, he’s vulnerable in the air, doesn’t carry the ball, and is high-risk in possession. So whoever comes in has to provide that balance — someone who can clean up behind him, get the ball into good areas, and do the work Bruno won’t. In that sense, a player like Nmecha makes the most sense. He may not be perfect, but I think it's something Amorim is looking for.

A midfield partnership between Bruno and Nmecha could mirror the dynamic of Mac Allister and Gravenberch — combining Bruno’s creativity and high-risk play with Nmecha’s physicality and ball-carrying strength. What makes Nmecha especially valuable is his versatility; he can easily step into a box-to-box role, meaning he’d also have no trouble playing in the pivot alongside Casemiro or Ugarte.
 
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Think back to when Michael Carrick partnered Paul Scholes. Scholes had the freedom to drift, create and dictate, while Carrick operated in the background — intercepting, recycling possession, and making sure the game flowed. It wasn’t flashy, but it was crucial. That’s the kind of presence we’re missing in midfield.
It also helped that behind Scholes and Carrick, there were Ferdinand, Vidic, VDS and Brown and Evra. If we compare that to todays team, we may have to adjust our thinking here.
Ultimately, it all comes back to Bruno. He’s not going to be benched, and rightly so, which means the player next to him needs to cover his gaps. Bruno doesn’t offer much defensive security, he’s vulnerable in the air, doesn’t carry the ball, and is high-risk in possession. So whoever comes in has to provide that balance
In a world, where finding quality midfielders for the PL is difficult enough, you box yourself in by just accepting the things Bruno doesn't offer, you made a pretty decent list of that as well. There is a reason, why the more successful teams out there aren't trying to force players out of position. Real didn't went out and brought in Musiala to place him next to Casemiro when he started to slow down, they brought in Tchouameni.

There aren't many great stories that I recall that start with "this one player simply has to be play and we have to find a way to build around his issues".
A midfield partnership between Bruno and Nmecha could mirror the dynamic of Mac Allister and Gravenberch — combining Bruno’s creativity and high-risk play with Nmecha’s physicality and ball-carrying strength. What makes Nmecha especially valuable is his versatility; he can easily step into a box-to-box role, meaning he’d also have no trouble playing in the pivot alongside Casemiro or Ugarte.
In what world is what Bruno offers in midfield similar to what McAllister offers? The reasoning behind Nmecha seems plausible to me but the guy plays in Dortmund and would again cost a leg. I think, we should have learned our lesson dealing with them. Not in a sense of putting them on a black list, but in the sense of being double secure to get somebody who is able to transfer his form and ability away from the Bundesliga.
 
It also helped that behind Scholes and Carrick, there were Ferdinand, Vidic, VDS and Brown and Evra. If we compare that to todays team, we may have to adjust our thinking here.

In a world, where finding quality midfielders for the PL is difficult enough, you box yourself in by just accepting the things Bruno doesn't offer, you made a pretty decent list of that as well. There is a reason, why the more successful teams out there aren't trying to force players out of position. Real didn't went out and brought in Musiala to place him next to Casemiro when he started to slow down, they brought in Tchouameni.

There aren't many great stories that I recall that start with "this one player simply has to be play and we have to find a way to build around his issues".

In what world is what Bruno offers in midfield similar to what McAllister offers? The reasoning behind Nmecha seems plausible to me but the guy plays in Dortmund and would again cost a leg. I think, we should have learned our lesson dealing with them. Not in a sense of putting them on a black list, but in the sense of being double secure to get somebody who is able to transfer his form and ability away from the Bundesliga.

Obviously, the back four you mentioned was arguably one of the best we've seen — no disagreement there. But I actually think we've been quite solid defensively overall, especially when you consider the amount of chopping and changing we've had to do due to injuries. Stability in personnel hasn't been a luxury we've had, yet we've still managed to stay relatively steady at the back.

As for Bruno, I don’t think it’s accurate to say we’d be "forcing" him out of position. The comparison with Musiala doesn’t quite work in this case — Bruno has plenty of experience playing as a central midfielder, both for Portugal and for United, under multiple managers. Yes, a three-man midfield is a different dynamic, but it’s worth noting that the pivot in Amorim’s system is protected by three centre-backs, which offers more security. And to that point, Bruno has already shown he can put in strong performances in that role under Amorim.

Regarding building around Bruno, I’m just being pragmatic. He’s going to start the majority of games, so naturally it makes sense to bring in players who complement his strengths. That’s not to say it has to be Nmecha specifically — I only used him as an example of the type of profile that could work well alongside Bruno and our other midfielders.

And on the Mac Allister point — no, they’re not carbon copies. But there are definitely similarities in their profiles as roaming playmakers. Like Bruno, Mac Allister spent much of his time as a number 10 before being shifted deeper into a pivot role, and he’s adapted well. The idea here isn’t that they’re identical players, but that Bruno is more than capable of operating in a similar transitional role, especially within a well-structured system.
 
I saw a suggestion on Atlantis YouTube that Ederson could play as a central defender stepping into midfield to give us a 3, to help Bruno have freedom. I like this idea

Yoro — Ederson — Heaven

With Ugarte — Bruno ahead

Pretty sure Ugarte plays this sort of ‘Half Back’ role for Uruguay quite a lot.

With better progressive passers either side of him it might work, given how Amorim wants his CCB to push into midfield in build up. But I just don’t see us even trying it.
 
I saw a suggestion on Atlantis YouTube that Ederson could play as a central defender stepping into midfield to give us a 3, to help Bruno have freedom. I like this idea

Yoro — Ederson — Heaven

With Ugarte — Bruno ahead
Just play Ederson in midfield and drop Ugarte.
 
A lot of these suggestions made before the season starts often put players on team sheets as if we are playing in the J-League and teams will just watch us do what we want.

Not just you but I’ve seen many people have Yoro and Heaven in the back three. What team out there starts with two teenagers at CB and thinks to have a CM in there with them.

Then in midfield another player who is a traditional No.10 and Ugarte as the deepest CM but one who can’t pick up and play with the ball on the edge of his box.

I think we are going to be in for a rude surprise next season if we make no CM signings and Bruno is made a permanent CM. We will score more which is great but will probably only be good in transition and still concede a lot of goals.
no one is in for a rude surprise. we can all see it a mile off and that's why this thread exists and why a lot of people wanted Bruno sold. It will be a surprise if somehow we are dominating Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool etc midfields with Bruno as a CM that's for sure. I can only assume that Amorim, Wilcox, Berada et al have a cunning plan
 
We’ve struggled massively with physicality in the middle of the park in the last couple of years. We need someone with a similar profile to Onana at Villa and doesn’t treat the ball like a bomb. Ironically Sander Berge would be a good fit in there. Would have been a steal for 25m last summer.

Long term I think Ugarte Is a useful squad player. Upgrade definitely needed if we’re to progress and start challenging the top 4.
 
Carlos Baleba is the perfect player next to however we play as the second CM - drop down Bruno there when we controlling the games and not can be little more offensive and let Bruno have more freedom going forward because I cant believe that Bruno sat down with Amorin now after the Al-Hilal bid and that they agreed that Bruno wont be an offensive player anymore but more of a ball winning, deep playing, ball carrying CM that gives Cunha/Mbeumo/Amad/Zirkzee the number 10 roles. And thats also the reason why I think that we should sell Casemiro this season if we get an offer around 20m, he was great for these last 2-3 months when he had freedom to move forward and not cover too much ground and staying behind when we were going forward - also his best performances came in the EPL and we have no european football at all this coming season.

Ugarte is right now, the only proven CM we have in our squad that can play next to Bruno in this Amorin formation and that is by far not enough, one injury and we have HUGE problems, and even without injuries, he cant play 38 PL matches + 2 cups for 90 min and not being tired or drop his form.

Carlos Baleba was so impressive this last season, that I would easily invest 80-90m for him this summer while we have the chance and other clubs are focused on other targets.
He is on top of the list in many of the defensive CM attributes but can also carry the ball, pass through the lines, scored a couple of goals - but mainly, he is an defensive monster who covers A LOT of ground, wins back the ball, is hard to beat in duels, only 21 years old and have some PL experience already.

Baleba and Ugarte would be a nightmare to face for any team if we played them together in matches against opponents which we know will attack a lot and probably dominate the match against us - they would help our back three a lot in those matches.
 
I think the better question is to look beyond next season and consider:

1. If Amorim succeeds, who will be in his midfield two that's not Bruno?
2. If Amorim fails and we go back to 4 ATB, who plays?

I think (2) has Mainoo in there somewhere.

I think we're fecking up the window by not selling Bruno and replacing him with a specialist playmaking CM.
 
Wharton is the answer to our midfield problem. He's like a flamboyant Carrick that has passing range and simplicity to his game. Would love him as our new engine.
 
Wharton is the answer to our midfield problem. He's like a flamboyant Carrick that has passing range and simplicity to his game. Would love him as our new engine.

Yes but Wharton and Bruno would not work good together, Wharton needs someone like Ugarte/Baleba next to him, but in a dream world we would sign both Wharton (80m) and Baleba (80m) and we have our CM worked out for the next 10 years with them + Ugarte and Mainoo to rotate. Problem would be just were to fit all of Bruno, Cunha, Mbuemo, Amad, Zirkzee who all suits best in the 2 number 10 positions (i dont believe in Amad as our right wingback).
 
Pretty sure Ugarte plays this sort of ‘Half Back’ role for Uruguay quite a lot.

With better progressive passers either side of him it might work, given how Amorim wants his CCB to push into midfield in build up. But I just don’t see us even trying it.

I think Amorim likes that player to have very good ball playing ability and positional discipline that's not Ugarte
 
Palhinha apparently available for €35m. Not seen him for Bayern, but he was excellent for Fulham. Worth a look?
I agree. He was colossal for Fulham. With the amount of offensive players possibly on the pitch (Bruno, Cunha, Mbeumo, striker, Amad) we would need a more defensive minded midfielder. His passing range was good, good in duels, also pretty tall. Didn't follow him at Bayern but he was good in EPL.
 
I agree. He was colossal for Fulham. With the amount of offensive players possibly on the pitch (Bruno, Cunha, Mbeumo, striker, Amad) we would need a more defensive minded midfielder. His passing range was good, good in duels, also pretty tall. Didn't follow him at Bayern but he was good in EPL.
Y'all didnt learn anything with Ugarte, and this is why we fail.
 
I hope Toby gets a good chance in preseason to prove his worth.
 
I hope Toby gets a good chance in preseason to prove his worth.
It would be great if he stepped up, but I’m honestly struggling to see that happening the coming season.
IMO we should loan him out to the championship so that he gets consistent playing time and experience.
 
I just wish we could ditch the back five somehow. Everything becomes easier in a 433.
 
if the team gels well and can be compact at all times (whether the defensive line is high or low), then Ugarte will do, or even Cas, alongside Bruno.

This means both the RCB & LCB need to be quick and strong and able to cover wide spaces while the CCB needs to be aggressive and front footed to jump into the midfield, as well as the whole team moving as a unit, and keeping the spaces tight to prevent teams from over running us centrally.
 
It would be great if he stepped up, but I’m honestly struggling to see that happening the coming season.
IMO we should loan him out to the championship so that he gets consistent playing time and experience.
If we had physicality and players that could run in the other midfielders then I could be open to that idea but we simply don't.
It is going to prove impossible to move Casemiro on, Kobbie is looking even slower than him and Ugarte just is so limited in his passing and runs around giving silly free kicks away.
 
If we had physicality and players that could run in the other midfielders then I could be open to that idea but we simply don't.
It is going to prove impossible to move Casemiro on, Kobbie is looking even slower than him and Ugarte just is so limited in his passing and runs around giving silly free kicks away.
Though I’m agreeing with you in terms of what we need, I just don’t see Collyer being an answer at all this season - he’s just to limited from what I’ve seen so far. My guess is that Kone is perhaps ahead of him now.

We must/will surely sign another CM this window (perhaps a Amrabat-type of deal), and that should enable a loan of Collyer.
 
At Bayern, Palhinha has been 'proven' to have no legs whatsoever. No-one who has watched him in Germany is putting him on their wish list.
Yea anyone who thinks he'd improve us is blinded by his past performances.
 
It would be great if he stepped up, but I’m honestly struggling to see that happening the coming season.
IMO we should loan him out to the championship so that he gets consistent playing time and experience.

Definitely. He's not played anywhere near enough football for a lad his age. A full season in the Championship would be perfect.

Shouldn't be an option here next season.
 
I only half-watched the Portugal-Spain match, but from what I saw, Portugal's midfield couldn't cope with Spain. Its an indication of how our midfield will do I think. Bruno did have Vitinha and Silva next to him. Not exactly physical specimens but they are ballers and 3 of them and the Prem is much more physical. Anyone who watched it properly or Portugal fans - how did Bruno play in midfield
 
Wharton is the answer to our midfield problem. He's like a flamboyant Carrick that has passing range and simplicity to his game. Would love him as our new engine.
Everything to love about Carrick was his non flamboyance. He did things in silence and always was there to back up the player around him. Made everyone tick by doing all the mandatory and boring things extremely well (a bit like Rodri does). All his off the ball work was top tier.

Writing this post makes me miss having a Carrick in our side. What a player he was.
 
I’m not sure a season in the bundesliga means he’s shot?

Could try and do a swap with Sancho. But ideally bringing Palhinha on loan would be ideal.
 
I only half-watched the Portugal-Spain match, but from what I saw, Portugal's midfield couldn't cope with Spain. Its an indication of how our midfield will do I think. Bruno did have Vitinha and Silva next to him. Not exactly physical specimens but they are ballers and 3 of them and the Prem is much more physical. Anyone who watched it properly or Portugal fans - how did Bruno play in midfield
Martinez put Neves at RB and ruined the midfield shape because of that. Vitinha, Neves and Bruno ahead of them would have been a very different prospect.

Having said that, it’s with Bruno ahead of the other two, which again points to the issue. Bruno was his usual self in the game. You can’t expect him to play CM with the expertise of the two best sets of it in the world.
 
OK, cafe made me drool about our next season with Wharton or Baleba in the midfield and a front 3 of Cunha/Gyokeres/Mbeumo.
Some thing wrong with me as I cant stop thinking about UTD all the time like whom we can get and how we can play and even the wildest dream of being a dark horse to win league next year. Hope we play well and made it to top4 least.

The success behind Madrid, PSG and Citi is they bought really well, so hope we stop doing the same mistakes and build a proper team.
 
We need a defensive minded, mobile player who is also good on the ball and can help progress the play with his passing. Easy huh?
 
We need a defensive minded, mobile player who is also good on the ball and can help progress the play with his passing. Easy huh?
Carlos Baleba fits the description, but is too expensive. Hugo Larsson is less defensive minded but fits the other part. I would go for Larsson and then make Baleba our marquee signing 2026.
 
Not sure it's the same. Palhinha was EPL proven, Ugarte was not.
They are the same limited profile player. Old fashioned destroyers, who are not much use. That's why top clubs like Bayern and PSG have no place for such players
 
I just don't see Bruno suited to this position.

When you look at players in this position at the highest level - with dribbling, press-resistant craft such as Vitinha, Joao Neves or defensive capabilities and positionality disciplined such as Rodri, Ruiz. I don't see Bruno fitting there in anyway.
 
I don't see we investing on the starting CM this year, given that Casemiro looks that is set to stay, and we have a lack of games, due to not playing in Europe.

If he leaves we probably will look for a CB/DM hybrid (alá Diomande) that is comfortable stepping into midfield from defence and hold the back of a two of Bruno/Ugarte/Maino midfield.

We also have Collyer and Kone potentially covering, and we seem to rate them both.

Next season we probably should look for deep lying playmaker type to balance the things out.
For the €45 million fee that’s being touted he’d be a bargain. Would love him at United.
 
Mainoo's profile on the ball is precisely what we need in CM. In his breakout season, he was so press resistant that anyone closing him down was effectively taken out of the game.

With his carrying, and Bruno's passing, it seems like a really balanced 2 in possession.

I would love it if Mainoo could develop his defensive instincts and work on his physicality a little, rather than pushing him into a 10 role. That said, defensive acumen is hard to teach. It seems players either have it, or don't.

But, a defensively stable Mainoo alongside Bruno would be my ideal midfield 2
 
I just don't see Bruno suited to this position.

When you look at players in this position at the highest level - with dribbling, press-resistant craft such as Vitinha, Joao Neves or defensive capabilities and positionality disciplined such as Rodri, Ruiz. I don't see Bruno fitting there in anyway.
Yeah I wouldn’t say he is suited either