What midfielder is suited to partner Bruno in the double pivot?

It should be a strong enough base but do you think the defence and that holding midfielder are composed enough to carry the ball out of defence without fear independently? I saw United get stung multiple times last year when they tried and its something I'm hoping they improve upon next year without injuries to disrupt them. I also don't mind Bruno attacking but its alot of energy to get back if we loose it and alot of space in midfield is vacated behind him. Sometime its worth he risk and other times its fatal. I would much prefer we use his vision, passing, ball retention to the fullest in deeper positions because that helps us in both ends of the pitch.
Isn’t that why we have three central defenders? One is supposed to push up and create a two in midfield. Yoro looked much better at this towards the end of the season.

I never really viewed Bruno as the issue with our defence last season. The amount we conceded via goalkeeping or defensive areas must have made up a big chunk of conceded goals.
 
I see we were loosely linked (truly awful Dean Jones) with a loan move for Palhinha. The general consensus on here seems to be he's too limited on the ball.
The biggest problem is not his limitation on or with the ball but his legs, he covers way too little ground and is to slow to play next to Bruno in 2 man midfield in this 3-4-2-1 system. We need someone who can cover A LOT of ground, carry the ball forward, make progressive pass through the lines and win back the ball = Carlos Baleba, the problem with him is that Brighton wont let him go for less then probably £80m.
 
Give it one more season and we'll be back in for my boy Hannibal after he takes the EPL by storm with Burnley :drool:
 
The biggest problem is not his limitation on or with the ball but his legs, he covers way too little ground and is to slow to play next to Bruno in 2 man midfield in this 3-4-2-1 system. We need someone who can cover A LOT of ground, carry the ball forward, make progressive pass through the lines and win back the ball = Carlos Baleba, the problem with him is that Brighton wont let him go for less then probably £80m.
Would probably take nearer £100m, annoying there isn't any named midfield targets in latest Whitwell article. Who would be the better fit out of Hackney and Douglas Luiz if we could get either?
 
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Apparently Ndidi is available for £9m...
 
Apparently Ndidi is available for £9m...
Whitwell said the profile is someone tall, physical and younger on the Stretford Paddock.

He also said theres no names that he knows of, and they're far away from getting from that position right now in the window.
 
I think we will change our midfield next season with couple of signings. This window is all about forwards and maybe a GK.
 
Would probably take nearer £100m, annoying there isn't any named midfield targets in latest Whitwell article. Who would be the better fit out of Hackney and Douglas Luiz if we could get either?
Hackney would be a very interesting signing who I think we should take a chance on.
 
Is it True Villa need to sell Onana? We should be all over that.
Agree.... that's exactly the kind of CM player we need. Tall, athletic, good engine and can pass. He seems to be a smart enough guy with a bit of fire in the belly too. You just can't complete in the Prem without that kind of CM. It's the most urgent position to fill for me. Mostly we get out muscled in there and lose the ball. Europe is different. Unless you're going to spend 100mio plus. You'd pay that for a Baleba/Caicedo/Rodri type.... but can't see us spending that plus a striker unless there are major outgoings for good money like Garnacho/Rashford/Mainoo/Sancho/Onana/Hojlund..... and maybe even Shaw.....let's see. ....
 
Is it True Villa need to sell Onana? We should be all over that.
Agree.... that's exactly the kind of CM player we need. Tall, athletic, good engine and can pass. He seems to be a smart enough guy with a bit of fire in the belly too. You just can't complete in the Prem without that kind of CM. It's the most urgent position to fill for me. Mostly we get out muscled in there and lose the ball. Europe is different. Unless you're going to spend 100mio plus. You'd pay that for a Baleba/Caicedo/Rodri type.... but can't see us spending that plus a striker unless there are major outgoings for good money like Garnacho/Rashford/Mainoo/Sancho/Onana/Hojlund..... and maybe even Shaw.....let's see. ....

His stats for volume of passes and progressive passes are poor. People will have the same complaints they have about Ugarte, not good enough on the ball.
 
I think we will change our midfield next season with couple of signings. This window is all about forwards and maybe a GK.
Yeah clearly the midfield rebuild will be our focus next summer, however feel we still need to sign one this summer who doesn't cost the earth.
 
Honestly don’t see the point. Give the minutes to Collyer

Collyer? He doesn't seem to have the technical ability or the passing range. And he's far from out-powering other midfielders in battle. Besides the very much lauded stamina, I fail to see any standout attribute. And he's already 21.

I'm not generally keen on buying players we know aren't good enough or are very short-term options, but 9m is less than the loan fee we paid for Amrabat. If the choice was between Ndidi (who is quite aggressive and we mostly have a team of pussies) and Collyer, I'd go for the former. Might even be able to sell Collyer for the same amount.

On topic: I hope Mainoo gets more chances at CM next to Ugarte or a new more dynamic midfielder, besides games at AM. There are no ideal candidates at the club that can partner Bruno in a functional double pivot. Bruno is not Pirlo, he won't become Pirlo. Hopefully the Saudi rumours are true and we can shift Casemiro and his wages and go for a genuinely starting level CM who has the requisite technical and passing level whilst also the physicality and dynamism required to do more than the job of one player, because that's what we'll need.
 
I actually think Ugarte can be absolutely fine provided we sort out the fact we don’t score goals (which we seem to be addressing).

He’s had a stop-start season under his belt, granted, but he gets through a lot of work and is capable of improving.

We still need another player to come in; I’d like to think this is where the new folk in recruitment can find a gem or two.
 
Ugarte might finally show his worth. Keep in mind we signed him in 2024... and he was here during the problematic periods of the club. Id give him more chance. A new signing would be nice though.
 
If the Mbeumo deal is completed, then Bruno looks set to take one of the two midfield positions, probably with Mainoo as his backup (which, given Bruno's incredible iniury record, probably means very little playing time for Mainoo next season). Ugarte is the best fit from the current squad to partner Bruno. Casemiro is finished in terms of the Premier League and will be a liability next season in any game he plays. After we find a new striker, we should prioritise an athletic, ball-winning midfielder, who can cover lots of ground and win all the duels, alongside Bruno/Mainoo.
 
Collyer? He doesn't seem to have the technical ability or the passing range. And he's far from out-powering other midfielders in battle. Besides the very much lauded stamina, I fail to see any standout attribute. And he's already 21.
I'm with @Posh Red on this. Ndidi really doesn't have much more than Collyer. At his best he did, certainly, but he's not been anything special for a season or two now. Collyer is only ever likely to be an average, solid sort of player but that's all Ndidi is now. Obviously £9m seems like almost nothing's it's low risk, but I think it's even lower reward. By contrast, Hayden Hackney, a player who might have absolutely everything we're looking for, would only cost £25m. Yes, a higher risk because we've only seen him in the Championship. But compared to a deal like that, I think Ndidi would be a false bargain.
 
Is Baleba available at 80m? Probably not but he is the nobrainer option.

A CM for 60m? I don't know any reasonable option.
 
I'm with @Posh Red on this. Ndidi really doesn't have much more than Collyer. At his best he did, certainly, but he's not been anything special for a season or two now. Collyer is only ever likely to be an average, solid sort of player but that's all Ndidi is now. Obviously £9m seems like almost nothing's it's low risk, but I think it's even lower reward. By contrast, Hayden Hackney, a player who might have absolutely everything we're looking for, would only cost £25m. Yes, a higher risk because we've only seen him in the Championship. But compared to a deal like that, I think Ndidi would be a false bargain.

Oh I'm not arguing for signing Ndidi over other midfielders. I just think I'd much prefer him in the side to Collyer, is all, which is not saying a whole lot.

I consider our midfield to be absolutely disfunctional by the way.
 
Hackney would be a very interesting signing who I think we should take a chance on.

I think I would prefer Ardon Jashari over Hackney. He's every bit a passer as Hackney is plus he can carry the ball as well.
 
I think I would prefer Ardon Jashari over Hackney. He's every bit a passer as Hackney is plus he can carry the ball as well.
I think the problem is no real power in the midfield with a Bruno x Jashari partnership

We should've just stuck with Bruno at right #10 and gone for a Jashari instead of Mbeumo. Or failing that just sell Bruno and then sign a proper midfield partnership.

Felix Nmecha is being brought up recently and that's the type of player you need to partner Bruno
 
Nmecha is the perfect partner from what I’ve seen in highlights . Haven’t really watched any dortmund games though
 
I'm sold on Nmecha.

Just saw his highlights and it impressed me.

I think his brother has moved to Leeds and would make the transfer easier if they get along.

I think Jashari and Wharton are too similar and it would be redundant to have both.

Nmecha seems different to Jashari & Wharton because Nmecha seems to shield his area better whilst Jashari & Wharton are more defensive playmaker type players.

I'd have loved to go for Jashari, but we can't be prioritising him over a homegrown lad with a similar skillset. If our scouts think that Wharton is overrated (I don't think so) then we should go for Jashari first.

If not, then Nmecha for this year & Wharton for next year.

Nmecha, Wharton, Mainoo, Bruno, Ugarte/Kone

Seems like a great balance of passing and defensive midfielders on paper even for a different manager's tactics.
 
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I'm sold on Nmecha.

Just saw his highlights and it impressed me.

I think his brother has moved to Leeds and would make the transfer easier if they get along.

I think Jashari and Wharton are too similar and it would be redundant to have both.

Nmecha seems different to Jashari & Wharton because Nmecha seems to shield his area better whilst Jashari & Wharton are more defensive playmaker type players.

I'd have loved to go for Jashari, but we can't be prioritising him over a homegrown lad with a similar skillset. If our scouts think that Wharton is overrated (I don't think so) then we should go for Jashari first.

If not, then Nmecha for this year & Wharton for next year.

Nmecha, Wharton, Mainoo, Bruno, Ugarte/Kone

Seems like a great balance of passing and defensive midfielders on paper even for a different manager's tactics.
Ah yes his brother has recently moved to Leeds, didn't this guy used to have connection with City
 
I think the problem is no real power in the midfield with a Bruno x Jashari partnership

We should've just stuck with Bruno at right #10 and gone for a Jashari instead of Mbeumo. Or failing that just sell Bruno and then sign a proper midfield partnership.

Felix Nmecha is being brought up recently and that's the type of player you need to partner Bruno

Bruno didn't play very well as one the two no10's last season. Granted it would help if the midfielders playing behind him could progress the ball but in my view he didn't have the athleticism required for those roles under Amorim seeing as they are somewhat hybrid 10's/wide forwards.

Also, if anything he'd play left no10 given he drifts there even as a sole no10.
 
No midfielder we could possibly get in the transfer market is going to be suited to partner him in a midfield two. We should just stick with Ugarte or Casemiro and call it a day. His place in the starting XI is going to be our biggest problem next season.
 
Nmecha is really not worth the PR disaster that he would bring to the club.
 
What's the story?
Multiple social media posts (mostly retweets) of homophobic/transphobic nature, like mocking transgender kids or pride month. He tried to justify it by bringing up religion as he's a devout Christian. Apparently he has a clause in his contract to prevent him from posting this kind of stuff.
And when it comes to football he's really not good, he hasnt lived up to his price tag, I'm not sure why people want him.
 
We've recently been linked with Ardon Jashari, a midfielder who profiles as a deep-lying playmaker. While technically sound and composed in possession, his style seems at odds with Amorim’s reported desire to inject more physicality into the midfield.

Ederson (Atlanta)
baleba (Brighton)
Sekou toure (utd reserves)

Think you mean Sekou Kone.
 
Oh I'm not arguing for signing Ndidi over other midfielders. I just think I'd much prefer him in the side to Collyer, is all, which is not saying a whole lot.

I consider our midfield to be absolutely disfunctional by the way.
Fair. I disagree on Ndidi (the player he is right now) vs Collyer but just a matter of opinion. Like you I'd obviously pick other options over either, given the chance and finances.
 
Not sure about Nmecha due to his mentality. It's come to light that he believes there is an equivalent number of genders to Hoijlund League goals in 2025. I worry he may continue following this line of logic on a yearly basis. He'll be a nilhist in no time.