What next for Eddie Howe?

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Mikell Artera gets sacked from Arsenal and Eddie Howe becomes the new Arsenal manager. Thus solidifying Arsenal as a mid table club. One can dream.
 

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Is this record that bad relative to Bournemouth's resources and quality? They've beaten us four times (three at Stamford Bridge), United I think twice maybe three, scalped Liverpool and Arsenal aswell.

It's a lot better than Dyche's record Vs the big six and people marvel about how Burnley are "tough to beat".

His transfer record though is horrific, I can't even think of a rational explanation to what the hell went through his mind when he got the likes of Solanke and Ibe in, even for free they would have been a rip off.
Bournemouth PL Record Against Top 6

46 Games
22 Points
37 Goals Scored
119 Goals Conceded
-82 Goal Difference
Redsky posted this in 2019 and also furthered it by showing that the stats surrounding it were some of the worst for clubs in and around them. You will win some games here and there but overall they were regularly shat on by the big sides and he didn’t seem capable of setting up to not get beat by them.

They’ve had a decent transfer fund for most of the time they’ve been in the PL and have regularly spunked it on rubbish. You’ll get a few gems here and there but they’ve mostly been the cheaper signings. The big money signings have been poor - Lerma, Solanke, Ibe etc.
 

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With their recruitment record I could see him doing a good job with Leicester, but then they've probably hit a peak anyway and Rodgers won't be out for at least a season.
 

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He'll no doubt pop up at some lower mid table club in danger of relegation next season. Keep them up and get hailed as the great managerial genius that everyone wants him to be. Piss about with them for a couple of years until he relegates them too. Then rinse and repeat in that English manager type of way.
 

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Neither of those will be coming up for quite a while, Potter signed a contract extension to 2025 last season and Hassanhuttl signed a four year extension last month.
Managers contracts mean absolute feck all in football.
 

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Redsky posted this in 2019 and also furthered it by showing that the stats surrounding it were some of the worst for clubs in and around them. You will win some games here and there but overall they were regularly shat on by the big sides and he didn’t seem capable of setting up to not get beat by them.

They’ve had a decent transfer fund for most of the time they’ve been in the PL and have regularly spunked it on rubbish. You’ll get a few gems here and there but they’ve mostly been the cheaper signings. The big money signings have been poor - Lerma, Solanke, Ibe etc.
I mean from those numbers they average just under a point a game against those clubs. That looks like a good record to me considering its Bournemouth.
 

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Managers contracts mean absolute feck all in football.
Sure, but in the context of where those clubs currently are you can also make the judgement to say at this point it doesn't look like either will be leaving their respective posts any time soon.
 

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I mean from those numbers they average just under a point a game against those clubs. That looks like a good record to me considering its Bournemouth.
It's not just about being beaten, it's about being regularly beaten by those clubs by 2+ goals.
 

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It's not just about being beaten, it's about being regularly beaten by those clubs by 2+ goals.
That's the risk he takes with his football. He'll win more of those than a dead-beat like a Moyes, but he'll also take more thrashings on the way. In the end the league game is about getting as many points as possible.

So I thinak I would take 1 win and 1 loss, rather than 2 draws against the same team.
 

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That's the risk he takes with his football. He'll win more of those than a dead-beat like a Moyes, but he'll also take more thrashings on the way. In the end the league game is about getting as many points as possible.

So I thinak I would take 1 win and 1 loss, rather than 2 draws against the same team.
It's that lack of pragmatism that has got him relegated.
 

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Sure, but in the context of where those clubs currently are you can also make the judgement to say at this point it doesn't look like either will be leaving their respective posts any time soon.
I wouldn't count on it - there'll be a few seats opening up in the top half of the table by december and Hassenhuttl will find himself in demand.

Same for Brighton, they might pull the trigger if the first half of the season doesn't shape up for them.
 

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It's also what kept him with Bournemouth for so long, so it's a very poor way to look at it.
If you’re talking about the short term success of staying in the league, yeah.

Long term success of maintaining that status and pushing forward? Not at all a poor way of looking at it as ultimately his failure to address the issue has led to their relegation and him leaving the club.

It’s not a suggestion that Howe should completely change his philosophy but he needed more than just a Plan A, especially in the big games.
 

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Mikell Artera gets sacked from Arsenal and Eddie Howe becomes the new Arsenal manager. Thus solidifying Arsenal as a mid table club. One can dream.
Don't see what Arteta has done to be considered better than Howe anyway other than win a domestic cup with a much better team who tend to win tbya trophy often.
 

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If you’re talking about the short term success of staying in the league, yeah.

Long term success of maintaining that status and pushing forward? Not at all a poor way of looking at it as ultimately his failure to address the issue has led to their relegation and him leaving the club.

It’s not a suggestion that Howe should completely change his philosophy but he needed more than just a Plan A, especially in the big games.
Push on for what though?

They've finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th prior to this season in the PL. So whatever they were doing was working.

If pragmatism means converting them into something as pathetic as Moyes' Everton or Pulis' Stoke, I don't think that is really moving forward. Ultimately, what took him down was his awful transfer record not his record against the big teams. The money they invested into the team hasn't reflected back into an improvement of their performances.
 

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He'll no doubt pop up at some lower mid table club in danger of relegation next season. Keep them up and get hailed as the great managerial genius that everyone wants him to be. Piss about with them for a couple of years until he relegates them too. Then rinse and repeat in that English manager type of way.
Any club in that situation offering him a job would be idiots. His lack of pragmatism would pretty much guarantee their relegation. He’d be an idiot to accept the job as well, as it would simply lump him in with the Pardews and Jewells and destroy his reputation as someone who dares to be different. A Championship club with a good academy, patient owners and not necessarily lots of money would suit him far better. Does such a club exist?

Of course he might just jump at the £££ signs and do what you predict...
 

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Don't see what Arteta has done to be considered better than Howe anyway other than win a domestic cup with a much better team who tend to win tbya trophy often.
Your right there. Eddie Howe is alot more proven. I imagine it shouldn't be too hard for him in getting another premier league job.
 

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Push on for what though?

They've finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th prior to this season in the PL. So whatever they were doing was working.

If pragmatism means converting them into something as pathetic as Moyes' Everton or Pulis' Stoke, I don't think that is really moving forward. Ultimately, what took him down was his awful transfer record not his record against the big teams. The money they invested into the team hasn't reflected back into an improvement of their performances.
When they finished 16th they had the joint 2nd highest GA in the league.

When they finished 9th, Southampton in 8th finished on 46 points and Watford in 17th finished on 40 points. Bournemouth had the 5th worst GA in the league that year. They also finished on the same points as Southampton. A bit more pragmatism in some games could have led them to finishing a comfortable 8th.

When they finished 12th they had the 4th highest GA in the league. 13 points from 8th to 17th. 5 points off 8th.

When they finished 14th they had the 3rd highest GA in the league. 9 points off 8th.

Relegated. 3rd highest GA in the league. 22 points off 8th.

Their GA got steadily worse in the league since they finished 9th and they got further from 8th place each year. I never said they should completely convert in playstyle. What I said was that Howe has had a Plan A from day one with no alternative and it has absolutely cost them their league place because he has not addressed it.
 

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When they finished 16th they had the joint 2nd highest GA in the league.

When they finished 9th, Southampton in 8th finished on 46 points and Watford in 17th finished on 40 points. Bournemouth had the 5th worst GA in the league that year. They also finished on the same points as Southampton. A bit more pragmatism in some games could have led them to finishing a comfortable 8th.

When they finished 12th they had the 4th highest GA in the league. 13 points from 8th to 17th. 5 points off 8th.

When they finished 14th they had the 3rd highest GA in the league. 9 points off 8th.

Relegated. 3rd highest GA in the league. 22 points off 8th.

Their GA got steadily worse in the league since they finished 9th and they got further from 8th place each year. I never said they should completely convert in playstyle. What I said was that Howe has had a Plan A from day one with no alternative and it has absolutely cost them their league place because he has not addressed it.
And I'm saying it could've (probably statistically more likely) that it would've resulted in them finishing worse off.

You seem to think them changing their playstyle, they could've converted some of their losses (or thrashings) into draws. While I think, it's just as likely it would've resulted in them converting some of the wins they got into draws. Draws are 2 points a game less valuable than a win.
 

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And I'm saying it could've (probably statistically more likely) that it would've resulted in them finishing worse off.

You seem to think them changing their playstyle, they could've converted some of their losses (or thrashings) into draws. While I think, it's just as likely it would've resulted in them converting some of the wins they got into draws. Draws are 2 points a game less valuable than a win.
The better and best managers know how to change a system for different games and cut down on something like GA and Howe clearly does not.

Will have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
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Think the job he did in the Premier League is overrated. He kept Bournemouth in the league whilst spending decent money but they never actually improved. Very naive at times against the big teams, set up way too open. Did a great job on the whole though. They've spent £250 million since 2015, that's an awful lot of money to be constantly fighting relegation. Their team isn't even that bad either bar the defenders. King, Wilson, Fraser, Ake, Brooks etc is more than good enough to stay up with a manager doing an okay job in my opinion.
 

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Without a doubt, he hasn't been horrible, however over the past 2 seasons these are his noticeable signings.

2018/2019
Jefferson Lerma - 25 milion
Dominic Solanke - 20 million
Diego Rico - 13 million
Chris Mephem - 12 million
David Brooks - 10 million

2019/2020
Arnaut Danjuma - 16 million
Philip Billing - 15 million
Lloyd Kelly - 13 million
Jack Stacey - 4 million

Very few of these have proven to be anywhere near Premier League quality, David Brooks has been brilliant, and Billing hasn't been too bad and would probably do ok in other bottom half sides, but other than those two I struggle to see any value for money in any of these signings, although Jack Stacey was only 4 million, and came in to be a rotation option.

Add to this that some of the departures have been a little naive if you ask me. Yes they got a good bit of money for Mings, but he's been one of the reasons Aston Villa have stayed up this season, and Mousset has had a decent enough season with Sheffield United.
I thought I read that Liverpool were sniffing around Lloyd Kelly
 

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Should go abroad for a few years and to develop his play style further
 

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Just seen the Bournemouth tweet

23rd in League Two when Eddie Howe took over, Three promotions and five seasons in the EPL Later thank you.

Puts into prospective what an incredible job he did. A club that size cant go with losing their best players in vital parts of the season, I wonder if Ryan Fraser feels like an absolute cnut now, I know i would.
 

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His game by game adaptation will be his downfall, but that being said his achievements are undisputed and he will definitely score another Premier League job within the next 6 months.
 

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They do when both managers are better than Howe.
How does that change anything?

If Hassenhuttl continues on his trajectory, there'll be much bigger fish after him. And if he decides he fancies the bigger, there's absolute feck all Southampton can do about it even if he's got another 4 years on his contract.

What can they even think about doing in that scenario? Bench there own manager until he changes his mind?
 

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How does that change anything?

If Hassenhuttl continues on his trajectory, there'll be much bigger fish after him. And if he decides he fancies the bigger, there's absolute feck all Southampton can do about it even if he's got another 4 years on his contract.

What can they even think about doing in that scenario? Bench there own manager until he changes his mind?
You’re right, the point I was responding to a poster who was saying that Howe would hang in for Brighton or Southampton - my point was that won’t happen anytime soon. Even if Potter or Hassanhuttl have the best season ever they wouldn’t move until the 21-22 season and neither are likely to be sacked hence the contract extensions.
 

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I know UK coaches don't go abroad very often, but I could also see Howe going to Germany or the Netherlands. I think he would fit right in with his approach to football and he'll like the DoF structure he'll find at clubs there.
Agree with this. Follow Sir Bobby's model and try out at other leagues.

The Eredivisie would be good, with the likes of PSV and Feyenoord needing a rebuild, or maybe continue the brilliant work at AZ Alkmaar right now and knock Ajax off their perch.
 

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He'll no doubt pop up at some lower mid table club in danger of relegation next season. Keep them up and get hailed as the great managerial genius that everyone wants him to be. Piss about with them for a couple of years until he relegates them too. Then rinse and repeat in that English manager type of way.
This and other posts make me wonder if people consider Howe's style at all when suggesting future career moves. He's nothing like the other managers in the managerial roundabout and I think it would be career suicide if he would now got a club that just wants quick results to stay up and is not too interested in a long-term tactical project.

Given his current standing (probably a little lower just after relegation), in the EPL, I can only see him going to a team form the bottom half of the league, which then for me leaves Southampton or Brighton, and they're both set for the immediate future. Maybe Newcastle if they want to change things up long-term, but there's no immediate evidence for that, they'll aim higher if they get big money, and isn't Bruce pretty safe there right now? So maybe he might rather go for a relatively rich and well-established club from the Championship, take the Bielsa approach. Surely that's a step up from Bournemouth right now.
It's not just about being beaten, it's about being regularly beaten by those clubs by 2+ goals.
Without meaning to discredit the other points you've been making, I'm not sure why the goal difference matters so much. It's a loss no matter if it's by one or five goals. I'd care more about the matter of losing. To me, snatching a 1-0 defeat from the jaws of humiliation through 90 min of low-block defending is more negative than brining the game to the opponent and causing them serious trouble, but losing 5-1 because their finishing was very clinical that day and yours wasn't. The former goes nowhere, the latter suggests better is possible.
 

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Watford change managers more often than the BBC does Doctor Whos. I would like to see if Howe could manage at a mid-tier club with a decent budget though. See if he's another Gerry Francis or not.
 

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This and other posts make me wonder if people consider Howe's style at all when suggesting future career moves. He's nothing like the other managers in the managerial roundabout and I think it would be career suicide if he would now got a club that just wants quick results to stay up and is not too interested in a long-term tactical project.

Given his current standing (probably a little lower just after relegation), in the EPL, I can only see him going to a team form the bottom half of the league, which then for me leaves Southampton or Brighton, and they're both set for the immediate future. Maybe Newcastle if they want to change things up long-term, but there's no immediate evidence for that, they'll aim higher if they get big money, and isn't Bruce pretty safe there right now? So maybe he might rather go for a relatively rich and well-established club from the Championship, take the Bielsa approach. Surely that's a step up from Bournemouth right now.

Without meaning to discredit the other points you've been making, I'm not sure why the goal difference matters so much. It's a loss no matter if it's by one or five goals. I'd care more about the matter of losing. To me, snatching a 1-0 defeat from the jaws of humiliation through 90 min of low-block defending is more negative than brining the game to the opponent and causing them serious trouble, but losing 5-1 because their finishing was very clinical that day and yours wasn't. The former goes nowhere, the latter suggests better is possible.
Being in the top 5 for GA year in year out shows that he has at no point been able to or had a desire to improve the defence of Bournemouth. This is something which was regularly thrown against Martinez before and is now being used against Lampard too. It was a categorical failure of Bournemouth and led to their relegation.
 

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Think the job he did in the Premier League is overrated. He kept Bournemouth in the league whilst spending decent money but they never actually improved. Very naive at times against the big teams, set up way too open. Did a great job on the whole though. They've spent £250 million since 2015, that's an awful lot of money to be constantly fighting relegation. Their team isn't even that bad either bar the defenders. King, Wilson, Fraser, Ake, Brooks etc is more than good enough to stay up with a manager doing an okay job in my opinion.
He kept a team who wouldn't be a giant in league 1 in the premier league for 5 years for goodness sake!
Having taken them up there to start with, from league 2 over two spells.

It's an utterly phenomenal job.

His problem was that he should have taken another job when his reputation was at its hottest.
 

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His transfer record though is horrific, I can't even think of a rational explanation to what the hell went through his mind when he got the likes of Solanke and Ibe in, even for free they would have been a rip off.
As a Chelsea fan, you must know Solanke was worth taking a chance on. His record at youth level was ridicuolus for you (and England), and he had a good loan at Vitesse as an 18 year old. If Wilson goes then Solanke could have a good season in the Championship as their main striker and kick start his career properly.
 

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I expect he will take over Barcelona or Real Madrid next .