Standard interview technique to ask a lighthearted question after the probing serious one..
What next for Ryan Giggs?
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
You cite your mums influence as an important contributory factor in how you grew up. Proving the opposite point in a way.
What were the conditions of your father's upbringing?
There are many, many, many studies on this subject and they all come to the same conclusion. Having good parents and a stable and loving childhood gives kids a better chance in pretty much every aspect of life.
That doesn't mean every child of crappy parents is doomed, of course not.
I think you just described a good ish upbringing. You had your father who wasnt perfect but he was there and he didnt beat the sht out of you and then you had your mother, your community and your church. I think there are a lot of kids who would love this upbringing because they are brought up much worse.
yes, our mom is undoubtedly the reason who we are today and I would never dismiss the importance of parenting. My dad is raised in a rural farming family that stayed together in a marriage for 65 years. he told us his childhood was full of love and care. he was even fortunate to attend a strict swedish catholic mission school. his smoking and drinking began at university whether through personal choice or friends influence i dont know. but to everyone who knew him, his bad habits was profoundly shocking. this is why I believe we cant simply assume that troubled children must come from bad parents. At least not where I am from.
Okay thanks, I understand your point now and completely agree. I should have made it clear from the beginning that I was speaking from personal experience.
Loved the interview. Can't remember the last time I've listened to Giggs speaking. Took me back to better days.
my definition of a good ish upbringing was different. I had imagined it required near perfect peace and care at home. now I fully understand your perspectives. for the record, we all love our dad deeply. as you noted he wasnt perfect but he never raised a hand against us. maybe in hindsight we did have a good ish upbringing after all. this realization never occurred to me until today. thank you for this conversation.
Don't think he has a route back into the game.
Not at the top level anyway.
There is always talksport.
Not at the top level anyway.
There is always talksport.
Skirted around it. Discussed him having to give up the Wales job as well as him missing out on the HOF without talking about the reason for both.
Not sure if it was agreed it wouldn’t be mentioned or Rio simple didn’t have it in him to ask the questions, but the opportunity was certainly there and it didn’t appear that Giggs was closed off at all. Shame really.
Having an issue with Giggs’ affair with his brother’s wife, isn’t an example of people taking the ‘moral high ground’.
I lost sympathy for Rhodri Giggs though when he boasted about making £1m off it and doing a load of betting company ads making fun of it, has always come off as a prick himself. An odd family.
It really is. How passing judgement on a consensual sexual relationship is anyone’s fecking business is beyond me. We all do far more reprehensible things than shag people we shouldn’t all the time.Having an issue with Giggs’ affair with his brother’s wife, isn’t an example of people taking the ‘moral high ground’.
It becomes a bore. Yes, we all know what Giggs and his SIL did. We all know what he was accused of doing to his partnet in the courts. Thankfully every other post about Rooney isn't about him preferring geriatrics or making Coleen cry.
For players I don't like or players I detest, I simply don't speak about them in football related forums. To do otherwise could only come from a desire to soapbox IMO. Happy to be given another reason though.
Because without it being mentioned, threads like this can gloss over their awful behavior in the past and that's how history starts to get rewritten. I also speak about it because it's now inseparable from his identity as a prodigious footballer. They're two sides of the same person so why would a thread about them ignore one side? Particularly a thread framed around 'what next for giggs?', which is not a question that would need answering in the same context if he HADN'T been involved in the things he has been. If anything, ignoring that side of the person screams to me of shutting your eyes to it and wishing it away.
But this is it, he isn’t celebrated in football circles, the Hall of Fame being a simple example (albeit I don’t take that seriously).
I think you will also see many clubs distance themselves from him (which I can respect even if I don’t agree).
I do also find it funny when I see people posting that “he should never be associated with OUR club” ….. by people that have probably never even stepped inside OT (this wasn’t aimed at you BTW).
Same, regardless of what ever he has done. Guy is a legend of a player. Also thought he talked a lot of sense. He always comes across well in the documentaries eg 99, class of 92 and Ferguson one. Shame he will probably never work in football again unless its still with Salford.
Speak for yourself.
Well of course you are just a saint in waiting but most of us are mere mortals.
Couldn't give a shit how big the potential of your shitness is. Just don't lump us all with yourself.
Not beating up winning or cheating on people you love isn't a difficult task to achieve in life and saying that everyone does worse is absurd.
Errr, no mate, we don't all do that.
Didn’t ever pass comment on the domestic violence issues. I was responding to comments about him having a consensual sexual relationship. If you don’t that those of us in the west that eat foods factory farmed through incredibly inhumane methods or that wear clothes made by children in sweatshops are guilty of worse than two people having sex then your moral compass is seriously out of order.
It's not a shame and as much as I liked him he is a total scumbag with only himself to blame. There's something wrong with anyone who has sympathy for him
Your personal anecdote doesn't really prove anything. Parenting plays a major role in shaping an individual and the envirornment plays even a bigger role. Poverty, socio-economic situation and upbringing
are one of the main reasons why crime occurs in a society.
Its not to say that someone who comes from a dysfunctional family can't become successful but you are definitely more likely to commit crime, be addicted to drugs and more likely to drop out of high school or college.
That's what a lot of studies say. If you know how averages work, I think you'll understand my argument.
The usual caveat that Im not condoning Giggs - but the extent of blacklisting is alot in a dirty, corrupt world of football. He wasn't actually convicted of anything and while it was a murky trial, neither side emerged from it as absolutely credible. And the awful behaviour of sleeping with his brother's wife has the peculiar issue of his less succesful brother marrying a woman who his brother used to go out with. That's just me, but I cant imagine marrying a woman that my own brother used to sleep with. In any case its all obviously unsavoury and Giggs isnt winning husband or brother of the year any time soon, but that said, he seems to have maintained a stable set up with his ex wife and their children, and again, was not convicted of any crime.
Marcos Alonso was drunk driving and killed a young woman, and went on to a majorly succesful career.
Patrick Kluivert also killed a man by dangerous driving and went on to an incredible career.
John Terry of course has quite a back catalogue of murky behaviour including racism and sleeping with a teammates wife.
Cristiano Ronaldo, was, and remains, accused of rape and is still the most succesful football player brand in the world.
Joey Barton assaulted a teammate, and even went to prison, before going on to play PL football.
And even Greenwood, against whom the evidence was more damning than that against Giggs, is now thriving in France with a lengthy lucrative career ahead of him, albeit probably not in England.
There seems to be this strange thing with Giggs where it cant be that you think his behaviour was dreadful, but also believe that he isn't akin to Ted Bundy. Sometimes even the suggestion that he might not actually have done what he was criminally accused of - even though that's the current legal position of it (and a jury deliberated for 23 hours without a consensus), really riles people up.
Marcos Alonso was drunk driving and killed a young woman, and went on to a majorly succesful career.
Patrick Kluivert also killed a man by dangerous driving and went on to an incredible career.
John Terry of course has quite a back catalogue of murky behaviour including racism and sleeping with a teammates wife.
Cristiano Ronaldo, was, and remains, accused of rape and is still the most succesful football player brand in the world.
Joey Barton assaulted a teammate, and even went to prison, before going on to play PL football.
And even Greenwood, against whom the evidence was more damning than that against Giggs, is now thriving in France with a lengthy lucrative career ahead of him, albeit probably not in England.
There seems to be this strange thing with Giggs where it cant be that you think his behaviour was dreadful, but also believe that he isn't akin to Ted Bundy. Sometimes even the suggestion that he might not actually have done what he was criminally accused of - even though that's the current legal position of it (and a jury deliberated for 23 hours without a consensus), really riles people up.
Correct KingEric04.
The problem with Giggs is more nuanced because he carefully built up a favourable public profile. Everyone loved 'Giggsy' and why wouldn't they? Quiet, unassuming and incredibly successful, it was all tarnished by the revelations.
Put simply, people feel as though he has cheated them and, to an extent, he absolutely has.
Barton was always a you know what. Kluivert is, well, who? Random Chelsea player has absolutely no public identity outside of the game.
I'm not justifying any of those players or downplaying their actions, just explaining why I think Giggs' case is viewed differently.
Confusing post. You’ve got your story mixed up. Giggs had a years long affair with his brothers WIFE.
Sorry what? You aren't genuinely asking who Patrick Kluivert is are you?
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The obvious point was Giggs' public persona made him a much larger celebrity than Kluivert.
Most people wouldn't know who Patrick Kluivert is or was. They'd have known all about Giggsy and before the truth was revealed.
The obvious point was Giggs' public persona made him a much larger celebrity than Kluivert.
Most people wouldn't know who Patrick Kluivert is or was. They'd have known all about Giggsy and before the truth was revealed.
He could easily start again in management abroad or at one of the Welsh English football league clubs if he has the balls for it.
Careful now. I posted something similar in the Evra thread a few months ago and faced a barrage of replies telling me that my friends and I are bad people for refusing to condemn infidelity, regardless of it's context.
The best thing he can do is disappear and enjoy his millions without doing interviews to try and rebuild his image.
You’re a football legend, you’ve got nothing to prove and everyone knows the damage he’s inflicted on people close to him - just respectfully go away. That would be the right thing to do.
You’re a football legend, you’ve got nothing to prove and everyone knows the damage he’s inflicted on people close to him - just respectfully go away. That would be the right thing to do.
I agree in a sense, but Giggs didnt 'build up' anything. It's not like he was out pushing old ladies around in the wheelchairs, or banging on about being the pefect husband. The media and people did that - what was the alternative, delibrately have the odd messy piss up? Get filmed abusing a waiter? He kept a low private profile throughout his career after an initial crazy level of attention, likely not with any intention to deceive. Players, not just Giggs, dont owe us anything and if we decide to make some sort of moral hero of a guy because he isnt a scumbag cliche of a footballer, then we sort of deserve to be let down.
Side note, Patrick Kluivert was a genuine superstar footballer in the 90s, playing for some of the biggest clubs in the world and going on to be assistant manager of his country for 2 years. If anybody football fan doesnt know who he is, they were very likely born after the year 2000.
The alternative for Giggs was simple: behave honestly.
Own up to the affair he tried to silence Imogen Thomas with. Do not start an affair with your brother's wife, and so forth.
You can't blame 'the meeja' and 'morals' whenever Giggs behaved with such levels of dishonesty.
Sorry im not continuing this. Not only have you massively moved the goalposts from what I actually replied to (that Giggs had cheated people like your or i somehow) but it is absolutely beyond my remit to understand the dynamic of the Giggs family. (Yep sleeping with your bothers wife is wrong, but two consenting adults in a situation we know nothing about at all is not something I can weigh in further on). If i were famous and had an affair with a glamour model, Id probably try stop it getting slapped all over the newspapers if not for selfish self preservation reasons, then at least for my children, who I had already failed. The fault would be mine, but Im not hammering Giggs for trying to 'silence' poor little Imogen Thomas.Absolute purity testing here.
'Behave honestly.' A beautiful idea, not met by 99.9% of people to have ever lived.
Do we?
We all have our demons but was his heart in the right place?
Thanks for the insight, we live in different environments. I had an alcohol problem for 2 or 3 years after lockdown but found alcohol free lager! Bud zero is great. I get pissed every Sunday though.
Yea i tend to agree. I was thinking it might have been the whole injunction thing
Calling Kluivert a "random" player is really ignorant. He was one of the best strikers of his generation and he was very good in Barcelona.