matbezlima
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What team was better: Manchester United 2008 or Liverpool 2019?
Really ? VDS Evra Vidic Rio Scholes Giggs Ronaldo Rooney Tevez would all get in that Liverpool side. It would’ve best then easy. The Barca side isn’t even close....everything they did Liverpool are worse at. Ffs.It's closer than a lot here would admit, I think that Liverpool team would give anyone a game. I'd love to see how they'd deal with prime Barca.
I'm not saying this Liverpool team are close to prime Barca? Merely that I'd quite like to see that hypothetical match.Really ? VDS Evra Vidic Rio Scholes Giggs Ronaldo Rooney Tevez would all get in that Liverpool side. It would’ve best then easy. The Barca side isn’t even close....everything they did Liverpool are worse at. Ffs.
They beat Chelsea in the final in 2008. The historical CR7 and Terry penalty misses.That 08 side went an insane amount of games without conceding an away goal in Europe (I forget the exact number).
Beat Barcelona in the final and this isn't even a discussion
I know dammit, I meant if they beat Barcelona in 2009They beat Chelsea in the final in 2008. The historical CR7 and Terry penalty misses.
They had it all to do to beat non-prime Barca in 2019. Prime Barca would wipe the floor with them. So would 2008 United.It's closer than a lot here would admit, I think that Liverpool team would give anyone a game. I'd love to see how they'd deal with prime Barca.
Who?But man for man, only 4 Liverpool players would get into that 2008 Man Utd team and that's a fact.
They can only possibly win just one trophy. Doesn't sound impressive.2008 : EPL + CL
2019 : ?
Best to judge it over 3 year period.2008 : EPL + CL
2019 : ?
The thing is we look at it as those 3 title winning campaigns but even the season of 10/11 we finished 1 point of Chelsea shows how consistent that team was. Not to forget 3 CL finals as well.Best to judge it over 3 year period.
Utd
2007 EPL
2008 EPL + CL
2009 EPL + League Cup
Liverpool
2018 CL
2019 EPL
2020 ....
Let's see what they do In 2020. If they win another PL or CL, then there maybe an argument to have.
Adds nothing to the discussion. "Liverpool would've won back to back CLs if they'd beaten Real in the final". So what? They didn't.I know dammit, I meant if they beat Barcelona in 2009
They won 2019?Best to judge it over 3 year period.
Utd
2007 EPL
2008 EPL + CL
2009 EPL + League Cup
Liverpool
2018 CL
2019 EPL
2020 ....
Let's see what they do In 2020. If they win another PL or CL, then there maybe an argument to have.
O.o which 4 players would they be then?If you asked the question on a Liverpool forum, you're gonna get a different answer.
I think Klopp is clearly ahead of Fergie when it comes to Champions League tactics and getting the best out of what he has to work with in that competition.
But Fergie still clearly a better manager when you consider all other criteria like developing youth, longevity, trophy count etc. .
But man for man, only 4 Liverpool players would get into that 2008 Man Utd team and that's a fact.
But now you're looking at it like dynasties though? I thought the question was "08 Utd vs 19 Liverpool, who wins a game or a European tie?".Best to judge it over 3 year period.
Utd
2007 EPL
2008 EPL + CL
2009 EPL + League Cup
Liverpool
2018 CL
2019 EPL
2020 ....
Let's see what they do In 2020. If they win another PL or CL, then there maybe an argument to have.
Be interested to hear your take.But now you're looking at it like dynasties though? I thought the question was "08 Utd vs 19 Liverpool, who wins a game or a European tie?".
If you're speaking from a general POV, Liverpool 18-? has a lot to prove (and win) before they come close to 07-09 United, that's not even discussion worthy at this point imo.
Fair enough...I certainly agree it’s the system that makes that team.I'm not saying this Liverpool team are close to prime Barca? Merely that I'd quite like to see that hypothetical match.
I never said Liverpool are better than our 2008 team either, they're not, but I do think it's pointless comparing players individually when talking about this current Liverpool. It seems obvious that they're greater than the sum of their parts and depend massively on their system to win games instead of individual brilliance. On paper of course United have the better players, but Liverpool have taken the piss out of the league this year and slapped some big teams in Europe too, all while playing the likes of Henderson and Milner. I still think United's side were better (I'd only really take Trent and Mane from their side into ours) but doing a combined XI doesn't really tell us anything.
You won 3 PL's in row and added a CL in '08 so, if I had to pick the most dominant PL team ever, 2008 Utd would probably be the one, yes. Of course we don't know what will happen next season, but the current Liverpool side will always have the following arguments going against them:Be interested to hear your take.
That United side could well be our club representative period, some may argue '99 or '68, but the '08 side would be no surprise at all as our voted consensus best ever.
In terms of English sides, they would not look out of place as the league representative outright!
So what? You didn't. It means nothing.Adds nothing to the discussion. "Liverpool would've won back to back CLs if they'd beaten Real in the final". So what? They didn't.
I think it would be close. Over the course of the season, I'd be inclined to say Utd since you won the double in 2008 but we were easily on course for the best single PL season ever this year. In a two-legged European tie, both teams could give the other a lot of trouble. Hard to call.
For each argument there's a counter-argument to be made. Utd had a crazy defence yet there hasn't been a team in the history of the CL that scored more goals in a single season than this Liverpool side either.
Okay, thanks.So what? You didn't. It means nothing.