Disclaimer: not a dig at the league, just a simple discussion before the defensive posts start!
With that out of the way, this is an open discussion, obviously, but more geared toward people who actually watch it and can give an objective analysis of what they're seeing.
I used to watch it frequently, but that hasn't been the case in half a decade. Since then, I'll watch games with touted talent that we could/should be moving for (Havertz, Sancho, Brandt in particular at the moment) rather than getting invested in title races and games in general.
Since I was a frequent watcher through until now, where I'm not, there seems to have been quite a significant shift to really haphazard, crazy, open games where both teams just go back and forth in a non-stop goal assault. Even when games need to be closed out, teams just keep attacking and maintaining suicidally high lines. It makes for a curious spectacle, but nothing I'd expect to see from a top division.
There's no such thing as a perfect league, and before anyone offers up the counter of how poor the PL is at whatever aspect, it is beside the point, with that point being that teams in the PL try to close games out, are cynical and it has a number of pragmatic teams. The same goes for La Liga; in the main, teams do consider game management and attempt to see out games. Die Bundesliga, by contrast, appears to be too honest, too open and too game.
What this thread ultimately comes down to is how attacking players (and even defenders) should be perceived and whether the style of the league is by-the-by with talent simply being talent that is transferable - should the tallies of goals and assists be taken at face value, or a suspected taper (weighting) applied, in that output should rightfully be expected to lessen in a higher coefficient league? The time of the likes of De Bruyne at Wolfsburg coming straight into the PL and carrying on where he left off... Die Bundesliga does not look like the league it did then - would you expect the stars of this iteration of it to do the same thing? I wouldn't refute anyone saying the CL and EL are the great equalisers here, but there again, are the German teams (not just Bayern) holding up when paired with English or Spanish sides?
With that out of the way, this is an open discussion, obviously, but more geared toward people who actually watch it and can give an objective analysis of what they're seeing.
I used to watch it frequently, but that hasn't been the case in half a decade. Since then, I'll watch games with touted talent that we could/should be moving for (Havertz, Sancho, Brandt in particular at the moment) rather than getting invested in title races and games in general.
Since I was a frequent watcher through until now, where I'm not, there seems to have been quite a significant shift to really haphazard, crazy, open games where both teams just go back and forth in a non-stop goal assault. Even when games need to be closed out, teams just keep attacking and maintaining suicidally high lines. It makes for a curious spectacle, but nothing I'd expect to see from a top division.
There's no such thing as a perfect league, and before anyone offers up the counter of how poor the PL is at whatever aspect, it is beside the point, with that point being that teams in the PL try to close games out, are cynical and it has a number of pragmatic teams. The same goes for La Liga; in the main, teams do consider game management and attempt to see out games. Die Bundesliga, by contrast, appears to be too honest, too open and too game.
What this thread ultimately comes down to is how attacking players (and even defenders) should be perceived and whether the style of the league is by-the-by with talent simply being talent that is transferable - should the tallies of goals and assists be taken at face value, or a suspected taper (weighting) applied, in that output should rightfully be expected to lessen in a higher coefficient league? The time of the likes of De Bruyne at Wolfsburg coming straight into the PL and carrying on where he left off... Die Bundesliga does not look like the league it did then - would you expect the stars of this iteration of it to do the same thing? I wouldn't refute anyone saying the CL and EL are the great equalisers here, but there again, are the German teams (not just Bayern) holding up when paired with English or Spanish sides?