1. No you get in based on ability, of which Pogba has a lot more of than Fred and especially McTominay.
2. So what if they've grafted their way in? Top level football isn't like your regular job at Aldi stacking shelves, where graft and effort is all that counts. Ability matters (which is why more able players cost a lot more money and earn a lot more than their less talented contemporaries). It's the same in every skilled profession.
3. Over 3-4 games. People were sucking off Pogba like a lollypop when he was new too.
1. It's stupid to compare Pogba to those guys. He has far more pedigree than all of them put together and was by far our best player last season itself. Which is why if he leaves he'll end up at a better/bigger club than ours.1. That's why players like Tarabt, Quaresma, Ravel Morrison are WC too right, they have more ability than most. Quaresma had more ability than CR7.
2. Yes, but when you are a top lawyer for example and keep talking about the cases you have won in the past and in other companies, never producing in your current company then complaining the other staff are the reason and the company doesnt have the same ambition you do. Look at Liverpool as a team, alot of their players individually have less ability than some of the teams in the PL, yet they are top.
3. I agree it is a small sample, we will see at the end of the season.
I think having a midfield that works is more important that playing someone because he is talented.People actually leaving a fit Pogba out. Can't shake my head enough.
The Caf has adopted this random and dumb mentality where we should start replacing our talented players with others rather than adding on top of them. So bloody dumb, then again it's expected from these boards with over exited posters.
Is he? In theory he is, but in practice how many times has he been MOTM? I think he’s remembered as contributing more than he has.Yeah, but no. Pogba is still easily our best player.
I think a fit Matic would be that player.The only question is who would best give balance to Pogba and Bruno. Who’s the third person.
Not sure world cup winner and 4 time Serie A winner Paul Pobga, who is sought after by teams like Madrid and Juventus, and has made a FIFPro world 11, is comparable to Ravel Morrison or Adel Taraabt.1. That's why players like Tarabt, Quaresma, Ravel Morrison are WC too right, they have more ability than most. Quaresma had more ability than CR7.
2. Yes, but when you are a top lawyer for example and keep talking about the cases you have won in the past and in other companies, never producing in your current company then complaining the other staff are the reason and the company doesnt have the same ambition you do. Look at Liverpool as a team, alot of their players individually have less ability than some of the teams in the PL, yet they are top.
3. I agree it is a small sample, we will see at the end of the season.
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Why is it? because it fits with your narrative this time around? he was our best player last season and we finished 6th. Do you want to go have a look at our players player of the year and fans player of the year and see who won those?1. It's stupid to compare Pogba to those guys. He has far more pedigree than all of them put together and was by far our best player last season itself. Which is why if he leaves he'll end up at a better/bigger club than ours.
2. You mean while he's injured? Because when he's been available he's been much better than the guys who are meant to be taking his spot. And a big reason he's not available, is the club/management's gross mismanagement/mishandling of his injury.
Are they? yet they only value him at £50m. In comparison to fees they pay to world class players such as Ronaldo £105m, Hazard £100m get the gist?sought after by teams like Madrid and Juventus,
I'm sure we'll see this summer how highly they value him, strictly speaking even if they only value him at £50m that still means he's sought after by them, just not at the price we're requesting.Are they? yet they only value him at £50m. In comparison to fees they pay to world class players such as Ronaldo £105m, Hazard £100m get the gist?
I guess if you are a World Cup winner you are sought out by those teams, yet Giroud is struggling to get into the first 11 of Chelsea. Hes a 4 time Fa cup winner, EL, WC, French League too.
Every team has 2 midfielders who start almost every game and play the most minutes. For City its KDB and Rodri, 3rd place Gundogan plays significantly lesser minutes and have more sub appearances than the first two combined. For Liverpool, its the same story for Fabinho compared to Henderson and Wijnaldum.We're going to be playing twice a week, every week and people still just want to think in terms of a fixed XI regardless of opposition.
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I don't think its nearly as much of a dilemma as people are saying. Mctominay and Fred have been our best two midfielders for a year now. Fernandes has to play.
Matic has done well lately but lacks mobility and tempo which Mctominay and Fred both have. Pogba is too often a liability in a more deep role which leaves him competing with Fernandes or having to change his game significantly, and his ego will lose both of those battles for him.
I'm sure we'll see this summer how highly they value him, strictly speaking even if they only value him at £50m that still means he's sought after by them, just not at the price we're requesting.
Giroud's 33 and his career is winding down, Pogba is 27 about to hit his prime, you really are awful with these comparisons.
Thats funny as I see him as the most underrated, the kid can play ball. most of you guys will eat your words on that kid in a few years time. a lot like the "whats the point in fred?" posts..McTominay might just be the most overrated player to have ever played for us. Imagine leaving Paul Pogba out for him.
Ye, I agree. But I think it will be situational. Not sure we have good enough attacking fullbacks for that formation. Not in all games atleast...At his best,he’s a starter but I do agree the balance of the team comes first. Could work with both he, and Bruno further forward behind the front 2
Not to mention that Real were interested last summer but clearly rated him below other signings in terms of importance. They found the money for Hazard but not Pogba.Ronaldo was 33 when he moved to Juventus? £105m btw. Mbappe is valued at £200m before he even hits his prime.
What makes you say they are after Pogba anyway, because his agent says so?
I agree with this. So underrated on his technical ability.Thats funny as I see him as the most underrated, the kid can play ball. most of you guys will eat your words on that kid in a few years time. a lot like the "whats the point in fred?" posts..
Ronaldo's one of the greatest players of all time and went to Juventus off the back of a 44 goal in 44 game season. Mbappe's value is as high as it is as he's 21 and scored 39 goals last year, is on 25 this year and is considered a generational talent. I'm not entirely sure what your point is at this point, we've now somehow made it to Mbappe and Ronaldo from you comparing Pogba to Ravel Morrison and Adel Taraabt, you picked one point in my inital comment and proceeded to ignore the rest to go on some peculiar tangent about value, I just don't think you know how to defend your original point about likening Pogba to other wasted talents.Ronaldo was 33 when he moved to Juventus? £105m btw. Mbappe is valued at £200m before he even hits his prime.
What makes you say they are after Pogba anyway, because his agent says so?
Don't think he's either. Just think he looked a bit daunted when he first came into the team which meant he didn't shoe much of what he can do. Since he's grown in confidence he's looked a lot better and people have recognised it.Thats funny as I see him as the most underrated, the kid can play ball. most of you guys will eat your words on that kid in a few years time. a lot like the "whats the point in fred?" posts..
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Ozil's a better comparison than those lot, although I think Pogba's been infinitely better for us than Ozil has.Ozil is
This. But with the variant of 4231 against the low block. Put Pogba a little deeper role.Fred has been doing most of our DM duties very well this season, but I see some people still not giving him his credit. He will get even better once his position and the team shape is settled going forward.
Against low block teams, I'd go with 433:
Back 5Against tougher teams, 442 diamond:
Fred
Bruno Pogba
Mason Martial Marcus
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McT Pogba
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