When will Arsenal hire a new manager?

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Where do Arsenal fans actually expect that team to finish? Take out Ozil and Sanchez, who in my opinion aren't even "world class" anyway... and the team is full of average British players and mid table dross.

I think Wenger has done well to consistently finish in the top 4. Eddie Howe will probably get the job after him and where will you finish then? You'll be like Liverpool, begging to get back into the Champions League.

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They're almost certain to go for a British manager in my opinion. So it's looking likely it'll be someone like Howe or even Rodgers.

Who else is available? Allegri, Simeone or Tuchel won't leave their clubs. It will be someone "on the up". Marco Silva is only temporary at Hull so maybe if he keeps them up, he could be in with a shout. But it's early days.
 

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They could certainly do with a fresher, braver, and more enthusiastic approach. Why not approach someone like Sampaoli - who was fantastic with both Universidad and the Chilean national team (63% win record, and 2015 Copa América winner vs Messi's Argentina), and is now exceeding expectations with Sevilla (could draw level on points with Barcelona tomorrow). And he's doing that with good, but not great players, too (Ben Yedder, Nasri, N'Zonzi, Pareja, Jovetić, Rami) so he could work with whatever financial constraints Arsenal's board places on Arsène. Ended Madrid's unbeaten streak at 40 games, and took the game to Atlético and Barcelona and with this lot (which kind of showcases his bravado and nous in bigger matches against some real giants of European football):


Arsène was an excellent coach (and spearheaded the evolution English football), but the limbo they find themselves in under him doesn't reflect well on his overall legacy (though the fact that they can't spend as much as some direct rivals doesn't help matters, and is a fair caveat). Sampaoli is only on a 2 year contract that expires in 2018, and could well have a Conte-esque impact on the team and the league given his tactical versatility, persona and Bielsa's eye for detail (having been his student, with the likes of Pochettino or even Pep).

Really think his Bielsa inspired, high-press/vertical possession oriented 3-4-3 (which Sánchez excelled in with Chile) could work with Arsenal (who have other pieces like Bellerín for right wingback, or Mustafi + Kosscielny for the stopper positions), and he could persuade Alexis to prolong with stay, too. Swansea's loss could really be Arsenal's gain: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsea-city-monitoring-jorge-sampaolis-10593355
 

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They're almost certain to go for a British manager in my opinion.So it's looking likely it'll be someone like Howe or even Rodgers.

Who else is available? Allegri, Simeone or Tuchel won't leave their clubs. It will be someone "on the up". Marco Silva is only temporary at Hull so maybe if he keeps them up, he could be in with a shout. But it's early days.
On what evidence? They've just had a French manager for 20+ years. They don't care what nationality the manager is.
 

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Nothing from the way Arsenal go about their business makes me think they give a toss what nationality the manager is. As long as he gets them in the top 4 each year, that's all that matters clearly.
 

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On what evidence? They've just had a French manager for 20+ years. They don't care what nationality the manager is.
They'll go for a change of direction. A young British manager. That's just my gut feeling.
 

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It's not that easy to finish in the top four every season, Wenger's done well in that respect.

But they are the most frustrating and boring team to talk about.
 

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Allegri is a sly calculator and might go indeed: domestic rivals are sharpening their game, juve italian backbone is aging fast, sixth scudetto in a row could mean done and cooked next year especially if a deep cl run happens too.
 

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So the season after the finish paying their stadium loan, they win the FA Cup and you think they'd sack him! That's ridiculous
They haven't finished paying for the Emirates. The debt is just more manageable now than it was say 6 years ago. They don't need to finance transfers through player sales anymore.
 

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They're almost certain to go for a British manager in my opinion. So it's looking likely it'll be someone like Howe or even Rodgers.

Who else is available? Allegri, Simeone or Tuchel won't leave their clubs. It will be someone "on the up". Marco Silva is only temporary at Hull so maybe if he keeps them up, he could be in with a shout. But it's early days.
There are strong rumours about Allegri joining us. It seems he is fed up with the italian media not giving him enough credits.
 

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There are strong rumours about Allegri joining us. It seems he is fed up with the italian media not giving him enough credits.
Might be a possibility but I can't imagine him leaving Juve, potential UCL winners to go to Arsenal. Especially with that squad they have. It will take a lot of rebuilding to get them to be a title winning team again, in my opinion.
 

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Might be a possibility but I can't imagine him leaving Juve, potential UCL winners to go to Arsenal. Especially with that squad they have. It will take a lot of rebuilding to get them to be a title winning team again, in my opinion.
I would just be happy to compete once again until the end. That's for the first years with our new manager.
 

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Might be a possibility but I can't imagine him leaving Juve, potential UCL winners to go to Arsenal. Especially with that squad they have. It will take a lot of rebuilding to get them to be a title winning team again, in my opinion.
He will have more resources than at Juventus I imagine, so even though Juve are a superior team now, he could get Arsenal to that level. I don't think Juventus are likely to win CL either, they had their best chance in 2015.
 

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Even when he concedes that Chelsea were the better team, Wenger's still making excuses for the Arsenal players by complaining about Bellerin being fouled on the first goal.
 

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They could certainly do with a fresher, braver, and more enthusiastic approach. Why not approach someone like Sampaoli - who was fantastic with both Universidad and the Chilean national team (63% win record, and 2015 Copa América winner vs Messi's Argentina), and is now exceeding expectations with Sevilla (could draw level on points with Barcelona tomorrow). And he's doing that with good, but not great players, too (Ben Yedder, Nasri, N'Zonzi, Pareja, Jovetić, Rami) so he could work with whatever financial constraints Arsenal's board places on Arsène. Ended Madrid's unbeaten streak at 40 games, and took the game to Atlético and Barcelona and with this lot (which kind of showcases his bravado and nous in bigger matches against some real giants of European football):


Arsène was an excellent coach (and spearheaded the evolution English football), but the limbo they find themselves in under him doesn't reflect well on his overall legacy (though the fact that they can't spend as much as some direct rivals doesn't help matters, and is a fair caveat). Sampaoli is only on a 2 year contract that expires in 2018, and could well have a Conte-esque impact on the team and the league given his tactical versatility, persona and Bielsa's eye for detail (having been his student, with the likes of Pochettino or even Pep).

Really think his Bielsa inspired, high-press/vertical possession oriented 3-4-3 (which Sánchez excelled in with Chile) could work with Arsenal (who have other pieces like Bellerín for right wingback, or Mustafi + Kosscielny for the stopper positions), and he could persuade Alexis to prolong with stay, too. Swansea's loss could really be Arsenal's gain: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsea-city-monitoring-jorge-sampaolis-10593355
I mentioned Sampaoli earlier in this thread as one of those I could see being great for improving us at Arsenal and you really did a great job on expanding on why. I have been a huge fan of Bielsa last 15+ years. I feel him and Rangnick were the biggest tactical innovators of this last decade or so (hard to really quantify this as the shift was gradual and happened everywhere at once). Personally I would absolutely love Sampaoli at Arsenal but from a 'betting' perspective I see that as sadly just less likely. Mostly thats because I just don't see Gazidis and our current Kroenke controlled board as the type to go with Sampaoli. I feel like Gazidis is either going to go British (Howe) or with a more established European (say Allegri or Tuchel). But Sampaoli would be a great choice imo.
 

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I think he's probably not afforded the respect he deserves. He's flawed for sure, but he's one of the managerial greats in my eyes. He'll be missed and feted not just by Arsenal fans when he does eventually call it a day.
 

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The right answer is Arsenal will hire a new manager when Arsene chooses to not renew his contract anymore and to either retire or try an international management gig.

I don't see a scenario in which Arsenal end his tenure as manager. Why would they? What happened differently this year compared to previous years that would prompt them to behave differently? If he gets them top 4 this season, it is arguably a bigger achievement than most other years because of how many teams are competing for a place in the top 4. They've been happy with top 4 for years, nothing has changed to change that.

Maybe another way to look at it is, with Spurs on the ascendency, Chelsea looking great, Mourinho and Guardiola building their teams with ridiculous amounts of money, what makes Arsenal want to risk their chances of getting top 4 by replacing their manager? No chance IMO. The last thing you want is a rough transition period while teams around you seem to be improving quickly.
 

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I mentioned Sampaoli earlier in this thread as one of those I could see being great for improving us at Arsenal and you really did a great job on expanding on why. I have been a huge fan of Bielsa last 15+ years. I feel him and Rangnick were the biggest tactical innovators of this last decade or so (hard to really quantify this as the shift was gradual and happened everywhere at once). Personally I would absolutely love Sampaoli at Arsenal but from a 'betting' perspective I see that as sadly just less likely. Mostly thats because I just don't see Gazidis and our current Kroenke controlled board as the type to go with Sampaoli. I feel like Gazidis is either going to go British (Howe) or with a more established European (say Allegri or Tuchel). But Sampaoli would be a great choice imo.
Yeah, a lot of bigger clubs (who have a lot to lose) tend to favor a policy of risk aversion - which ties in with the more established European coaches part, so Arsenal aren't exclusive in terms of their potential approach. Tuchel certainly marries Wenger's oftentimes cold and indifferent demeanor with an ideology of playing expansive football, so he seems a natural spiritual successor - but he still evidences a sense of naivete at inopportune times, which would give me pause as a decision maker. Come to think of it, Arsenal haven't shown innovative thinking in a while now (though in fairness, they didn't have to - the last outside of the box managerial appointment worked wonders, ironically, and even their approach towards building their team through the first part of Wenger's tenure was innovative with several bargain bin acquisitions that turned into key pieces).

Howe - I don't quite understand. Seems decent enough, but slightly underwhelming, and is stood pat in his comfort zone, which begs the question - can he consistently challenge the very best in new surroundings (which should be Arsenal's aim, ideally). Though he is very likely to toe the company line, and not ruffle any feathers - if that's what Kroenke and Gazidis are looking for in their man.

Dunno, Hasenhüttl comes across as a much better choice than him - did well with what he had to work with at Ingolstadt (after leading them to the Bundesliga from Bundesliga 2), and has wasted no time in fast-tracking Leipzig's progress with a slightly unorthodox tactical approach (which also speaks to his ability to quickly instill some belief in the players). And coincidentally, he has ties with Rangnik, and, he must be well aware of Bundesliga based players - who're cheaper than their Premier League based counterparts. Was there any truth to the Sun report linking him with your club, or were they fabricating stuff like they often do?
 

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They finished on 71 points in a season in which leicester finished on 81. Freak season? Sure. Doesn't make it any less of the colossal, pathetic failure that it was. Pochettino had a tottenham side with an average age of like 10 y/o, and again, tottenham, who finished on 64 points the year before. For all that they unraveled in the final 4 games(2 points) they were very much in it well into april and did better than the previous season. He was the only guy you could forgive for not winning the league. Everybody else rightfully sacked their managers. Except arsenal. For arsenal, doing worse than they did the previous season, bowing out of the title race by march, and finishing 10 pointa behind leicester, while doing feck all in the cups...wasn't a failure, apparently.



You get in contact with him earlier obviously, and ask him to wait another month before agreeing to take over chelsea. Wenger is on a bigger contract than Conte, and arsenal had CL footie to offer. By April, arsenal knew their season was done. By early April they should have made the decision to sack wenger and hire someone else


It's napoli and monaco. Arsenal can afford to pry them away from their clubs


There's quite a bit of talk in italy of allegri wanting a new challenge


It's not a given Simeone will go to inter. As for players, arsenal have money and many of their players can be sold if there's a need. Also, Simeone can just take what he's got and reshape it the way he wants. It's not like Simeone signed all the players at Atletico. He worked with what he had
Why are rules different for Pochetino and Wenger! One can argue for Poch that that was Spurs' biggest chance to win the league since their last triumph more than 50 years ago. I mean if you can't win the league when every top side failed, when will you win the league. Although, I believe Poch has done great job for them and it would have been a disaster had they sacked him, one can frame an argument for last season along these lines for nearly every PL side bar the newly promoted sides.
He's guaranteeing CL place for next season in a season where no team at the start was guaranteed a top 4 finish. Sure, it's not ambitious enough but isn't that all we are hoping for now despite having spent 3 times the money they have in the last 3 years.

No one expected Conte would be announced this early. Everyone knew that they are in talks with Conte, but people expected them to be in initial stages at the time deal was announced. It is more than likely they got in contact very soon after sacking Mourinho. A team gets into contact with a manager if they have already sacked a manager or have decided very soon in the season that they plan to sack their manager(like we did with Jose and City with Pep).

Sure it's Napoli and Monaco, but they haven't even had their names mentioned to be potential replacements.

As far as allegri is concerned, he would be knowing in the back of his mind that his chances of enhancing his reputation are low. He's winning the league every year in a decently competitive league, getting to latter stages of CL. At Arsenal, he has a considerably worse side, would have to deal with Ozil and Sanchez's contract situation. Add to that, he may not even be guaranteed CL football. Why would he leave Juve for Arsenal, when he can further enhance his reputation and later take over at one of big 3 or one of the richer PL clubs.

I think, it's pretty well known Simeone will leave for Inter or Argentine national job. And no team has money to basically change 7-8 players that too in the starting XI
 

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It's not that easy to finish in the top four every season, Wenger's done well in that respect.

But they are the most frustrating and boring team to talk about.
Wenger has done well enough i nearly every season post emirates move. Even this season, he isn't doing badly. The only season where he completely failed was 15/16.

On the other hand...wenger has only done well enough. I get the impression he's stopped even trying to do more than the board requires of him. Just...like he doesn't believe he can challenge the big boys anymore...

Btw: wenger managed those top 4 finishes because he's always had a top 4 side on his hands(and when he didn't he got lucky)
 

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Even when he concedes that Chelsea were the better team, Wenger's still making excuses for the Arsenal players by complaining about Bellerin being fouled on the first goal.
He is an embarrassment. Never takes responsibility and always tries to blame something. First of all Chelsea didn't even really play well. It was an efficient but not stellar performance from them. I mean Hazard JOGGED past their entire team from the halfway line for his goal. It was casual from Chelsea, and yet Arsenal could easily have lost 5-1 or 6-1 especially if Costa hadn't been so selfish. Arsenal were a shambles, they looked a mess tactically and showed no fight at all. Sanchez and Ozil who are their big name players didn't show leadership and didn't step up. Instead they were totally pedestrian. Arsenal went into this game prepared to lose, and that is precisely why Wenger is a specialist in failure as Jose said. Jose may lose games too, but he is never defeated before a ball is even kicked. He has a winner's mentality.
 

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Yeah, a lot of bigger clubs (who have a lot to lose) tend to favor a policy of risk aversion - which ties in with the more established European coaches part, so Arsenal aren't exclusive in terms of their potential approach. Tuchel certainly marries Wenger's oftentimes cold and indifferent demeanor with an ideology of playing expansive football, so he seems a natural spiritual successor - but he still evidences a sense of naivete at inopportune times, which would give me pause as a decision maker. Come to think of it, Arsenal haven't shown innovative thinking in a while now (though in fairness, they didn't have to - the last outside of the box managerial appointment worked wonders, ironically, and even their approach towards building their team through the first part of Wenger's tenure was innovative with several bargain bin acquisitions that turned into key pieces).

Howe - I don't quite understand. Seems decent enough, but slightly underwhelming, and is stood pat in his comfort zone, which begs the question - can he consistently challenge the very best in new surroundings (which should be Arsenal's aim, ideally). Though he is very likely to toe the company line, and not ruffle any feathers - if that's what Kroenke and Gazidis are looking for in their man.

Dunno, Hasenhüttl comes across as a much better choice than him - did well with what he had to work with at Ingolstadt (after leading them to the Bundesliga from Bundesliga 2), and has wasted no time in fast-tracking Leipzig's progress with a slightly unorthodox tactical approach (which also speaks to his ability to quickly instill some belief in the players). And coincidentally, he has ties with Rangnik, and, he must be well aware of Bundesliga based players - who're cheaper than their Premier League based counterparts. Was there any truth to the Sun report linking him with your club, or were they fabricating stuff like they often do?
On the last point I really have no idea. My first instinct is to think its just made up click bait, but this is the first year when there have been rumours of our board looking into potential replacements. I can't remember hearing that before as persistently. I agree completely that Hasenhüttl would be a better choice but I could definitely see our board sounding out Howe as a contestant.

Of course, the Howe rumours could all be fabricated as well. It could be the English media just likes to push that notion since Howe plays attacking football. But like you say Howe would be a company man and its very possible that is an important consideration. Even back in 94 with a more footballing oriented board, Dein couldn't get Wenger appointed straight away and they went with Rioch. I can definitely see this more corporate board getting Wenger's direct successor a bit wrong, but that's a risk I am absolutely embracing as I just see us regressing more with Wenger even if he was given 150M to spend this summer.
 

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It will be the biggest decision, the biggest challenge of Ivan Gazidis’s career: how to replace Arsène Wenger. If, after 21 years at Arsenal, Wenger steps down at the end of this season, it will be the chief executive who recommends his successor. And that is something he has never had to do before.

Work is already under way, with Wenger’s knowledge, to consider who might be a potential candidate – after all, he has to leave at some stage. However, much of that has centred on the usual kind of future, hypothetical succession planning given there is a two-year contract on the table that the 67-year-old Frenchman might still sign; even if there is an understanding that it is best to wait until deeper into this season.

There is also the argument that Arsenal do not want to follow what has happened at Manchester United since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson. But a change may also be liberating. Structurally Arsenal are in a better place than United. There are systems in place and also the suspicion that, as a natural consequence of being there so long, Wenger has held some people back.

Arsenal are more geared to be a modern, progressive football club than United and that will also be Wenger’s legacy. But if he does go it will also be the making or the breaking of Kroenke’s ownership and Gazidis’s leadership.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ing-make-or-break-decision-cannot-afford-get/
 

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Sounds like a cynical and bitter message from Wenger about his future. He is obviously upset at having lost the fans. He can't see that he has become a dinosaur, his methods are obsolete, and he is way out of his depth in the modern game. He doesn't understand the reason for the protests.

I wonder where he will manage next season (since he has defiantly said that he will continue to coach whether it is at Arsenal or otherwise)?? Would he get a job at a CL team or will he have to make a humiliating step down? What other top team in England would want him? Would he have to manage in a less prestigious league like Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga at a team like Leverkusen, Marseille, Wolfsburg?

And who could Arsenal bring in to replace him? Simeone is surely not even going to think about the Arsenal job. Would Tuchel be interested in it?
 

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Spot on. We need to replace Wenger with a better manager, otherwise we can keep him.
Who though? Who in the elite tier of managers is available? Jose, Pep, Klopp, Conte aren't available. Pochettino wouldn't join Arsenal or he would be killed by Spurs fans. Simeone, Ancelotti and Emery would probably not take the job, and LVG has retired. So who does that leave? Tuchel? Blanc? Luis Enrique? Koeman? Howe? Rodgers? That's not a massive shortlist, and are any of them really going to take Arsenal to the next level (aka challenging for the title and not just being content with top four)?
 

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Do you think either of those two would be a guaranteed upgrade on Wenger? What has Jardim done and why is he rated so highly anyway? He has not exactly been able to compete with PSG has he? As for Allegri, he has won a league that is a one horse race, just like Conte did - but at European / international level, absolutely nothing. The only ones who can turn Arsenal into title contenders are Simeone and Ancelotti, and it wouldn't be enough to simply sign a new manager. You would also need to overhaul your squad and bring in a new profile of player. Sorry but the likes of Coquelin and Gibbs and Monreal are hardly going to be part of a title winning backbone. You need guys like Pires, Overmars, Campbell and Henry. A totally different profile of player.
 

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Who though? Who in the elite tier of managers is available? Jose, Pep, Klopp, Conte aren't available. Pochettino wouldn't join Arsenal or he would be killed by Spurs fans. Simeone, Ancelotti and Emery would probably not take the job, and LVG has retired. So who does that leave? Tuchel? Blanc? Luis Enrique? Koeman? Howe? Rodgers? That's not a massive shortlist, and are any of them really going to take Arsenal to the next level (aka challenging for the title and not just being content with top four)?
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Do you think either of those two would be a guaranteed upgrade on Wenger? What has Jardim done and why is he rated so highly anyway? He has not exactly been able to compete with PSG has he? As for Allegri, he has won a league that is a one horse race, just like Conte did - but at European / international level, absolutely nothing. The only ones who can turn Arsenal into title contenders are Simeone and Ancelotti, and it wouldn't be enough to simply sign a new manager. You would also need to overhaul your squad and bring in a new profile of player. Sorry but the likes of Coquelin and Gibbs and Monreal are hardly going to be part of a title winning backbone. You need guys like Pires, Overmars, Campbell and Henry. A totally different profile of player.
I know we can fail badly, but we have to take a risk. It's now or never.
Jardim is competing with P.S.G., with one of the youngest teams in Europe.
 

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No I don't to be honest. If Bayern didn't exist the league would interest me.
Ok. Well I do agree with you about Bayern, but if you just want to see a nice match and don't care about who's winning, then I really do recommend that you sometimes watch that league. It doesn't have to involve Bayern or Dortmund. I actually like to watch the "mid-clubs" better, even though I don't do it as often as I would like. Mostly PL and Serie A, sometimes La Liga and then Bundesliga.