Yep, I was going to say that about the crowd last night. all around me in the North Stand were very vocal. Ole is still the man. Now if Spurs had won, I wonder........Crowd was very pro Ole last night
Yep, I was going to say that about the crowd last night. all around me in the North Stand were very vocal. Ole is still the man. Now if Spurs had won, I wonder........Crowd was very pro Ole last night
Word. I also have the impression that a lot of people get their understanding of the quality of other teams through highlights or the odd "big game", which obviously skews their perception of the qualities those teams possess. Although a lot would tune in to watch City - Liverpool, I can't imagine United fans spending their precious time watching City - Bournemouth or Liverpool - Sheffield United other than via highlights. United fans watching fixtures like Burnley - Sheffield United is even more unlikely.I'm quite convinced, from some of the things I read, that most of the constant moaners on here have all their exposure to football only via television and the internet. You don't even need to have been to Old Trafford but if you watch enough live football and follow any team consistently enough in real life, I'm sure you would tend to be more understanding of the match-going supporters in particular and United's situation in general.
I was in South stand east which is usually pretty pedestrian but great atmosphere. Best I've been at since before saf. People weren't very kind to andreas though....Yep, I was going to say that about the crowd last night. all around me in the North Stand were very vocal. Ole is still the man. Now if Spurs had won, I wonder........
Indeed, hadn't thought of that myself but you're right on point there. That would explain a lot.Word. I also have the impression that a lot of people get their understanding of the quality of other teams through highlights or the odd "big game", which obviously skews their perception of the qualities those teams possess. Although a lot would tune in to watch City - Liverpool, I can't imagine United fans spending their precious time watching City - Bournemouth or Liverpool - Sheffield United other than via highlights. United fans watching fixtures like Burnley - Sheffield United is even more unlikely.
If I only watched the "big games" United have played this season (Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs), I'd think United are rather good.
Oh are you referring to the real fans who actually make the effort to travel and support the players and football club?It’s fair to say our match going fans are incredibly loyal and even the slightest of groaning and booing are quickly frowned upon. We’ve served up some utter dross post SAF and it’s not getting better any time soon. What will it take for the fans to start becoming vocal at their displeasure at the state of the club? I’m not talking a few boos here and there, I’m talking creating a vitriolic atmosphere.
Manchester United should be held to the standards of Manchester United.
The only people cheering for him yesterday were Spurs-fans.I was in South stand east which is usually pretty pedestrian but great atmosphere. Best I've been at since before saf. People weren't very kind to andreas though....
Yes, like I have countless times.Oh are you referring to the real fans who actually make the effort to travel and support the players and football club?
Post of the weekThe ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
Excellent post 100% agree.The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
Great post.The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
He's awful. Costing us points. We needed a cmThe only people cheering for him yesterday were Spurs-fans.
Jokes aside, putting down an effort alone shouldn't be enough to secure a place in a United squad. He's slow on the ball, he's making poor decisions, he's got Valencias left foot. In some situations, it seems like he's got Lukakus first touch. His crossings and his right foot aren't good enough to keep him in the squad. We don't even got a striker at the end of his crosses. And Pereira as holding midfielder (CDM) isn't working.
Brilliant post.The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
Great post! I believe if the atmosphere is like this every time, we can beat any team at Old Trafford. I saw clips from outside the stadium and it was like the ground was shaking, that was how loud the chanting was. Incredible!The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
But but but according to one poster most match going fans are against Ole but are too much of cowards to admit it!The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
Would you value a 2-year-old fan's opinion over a 40-year-old's?I dont care if your 2 years old or 70. If you have been supporting for 1 day or 100. You are entitled to your opinion and that doesn't make it any less valuable then anyone else.
Not over. Equal.Would you value a 2-year-old fan's opinion over a 40-year-old's?
So you'd value them equally?Not over. Equal.
In terms of they both have the right to free speech without retribution yes. Does not make the opinion factual from either one of them.So you'd value them equally?
Well, they do - as it seems to me, at least.In terms of they both have the right to free speech without retribution yes.
Thank you for articulating just what being a match-going Red really means. If one poster reads it and winds back their uninformed opinion on how we should behave at games, it was worth the effort.The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
Sorry but that's bollocks - someone who has been supporting for one day does not have as valuable an opinion as someone who has been following for decades (regardless of matchgoing or not)Why is there a separation between match going fans, top reds and all the rest of the nonsense. Fans are fans. I dont care if your 2 years old or 70. If you have been supporting for 1 day or 100. You are entitled to your opinion and that doesn't make it any less valuable then anyone else. Secondly you have the right to protest. Protesting constitutes a fundamental pillar of society and has inspired positive changes throughout history. I get the supporting through thick and thin and accepting whatever sht you are served but I also get the right to protest. To stand up for your beliefs and to say something when its wrong.
Don't take this as anything but a general observation, but I find the discrepancy you refer to interesting....whereas Ive seen polls on other forums which are mostly frequented by matchgoers where it is as low as 4%!
If I supported MUFC only for the winning then I wouldn't be bothered to support it for the last 6 years, let alone today, but here I am, supporting the club and speaking my mind. After this void of titles and good football, I still care. A lot.Sincere question, not a jab at you or anything, but this line begs for the question why do you love and support Manchester United in the first place? Is it only for the winning?
As a club institution, Manchester United Football Club are no Real Madrid or Rangers. Sure, thanks to Fergie we are today mentioned in the same breath with those but it's not in our history to be perrenial winners. Maybe most current fans fell in love with United during our winning era so they can't imagine supporting a club which goes five years or more without winning a major trophy. However, this club has only had two eras of continuous success which was under their two greatest managers. Either side of the successful eras has been much of what we have right now. Losing our minds over our current situation which certainly isn't ideal but is still very envious for most other clubs is totally irrational. Like one poster mentioned (in this thread or another) there is only one league winner each season. We have been that winner for a long stretch under Fergie, I don't see why we should burn down the house now just because we have gone a few seasons without notable success.
Sometimes when I read some posts (a few on this forum but mostly on the wider Internet) I almost wish we could drop down a few leagues just so the ficklest fans who support United only for trophies and bragging rights can go elsewhere and we rebuild calmly with a core of fans who actually support the club for who it is, embracing the club culture and traditions, and would accept not having success if it means maintaining the club traditions, rather than selling our souls to the devil just so we can celebrate winning a football trophy or two.
We have several two year olds (based on their grasp on reality and their use of grammar) posting freely on here without being banned.
Semantics. Define valuable. Ive been supporting the club for decades and still talk sht every now and again. Ive had conversations loads of times where I said player x was sht for example and some youngster thats supported United for 2 minutes has said the opposite and proven right. My point is that there should not be a separation between match going fans and non match going fans and those who protest and those who dont. Its US vs them and the US is all United fans regardless of age, race, how long they supported the club, where they live and how many matches they attended.Sorry but that's bollocks - someone who has been supporting for one day does not have as valuable an opinion as someone who has been following for decades (regardless of matchgoing or not)
And of course everyone has a right to protest, not seen anyone in this thread say they havent - I have actually noticed a resurgence in the Glazer Out/Woodward Out feeling (well the feeling never went away TBH but there is talk about protests etc for the first time in a while) again from matchgoers as people put the blame for current issues completely on them and not Ole
And its all well and good to say all fans are the same but the simple fact is that there is a big difference in opinion - a poll on here (which represents our global fanbase quite well with a mix of all ages and types of fan) suggests that more than 50% of fans want Ole Out, whereas Ive seen polls on other forums which are mostly frequented by matchgoers where it is as low as 4% (which even surprised me)!
What I really think most people are unable to understand is that it's possible to fully support your team, with all the chants and the great atmosphere, and still voice your discontent in the same ocasion.Brilliant post.
The part in bold sums up exactly what some people seem unable to understand.
I agree. I dont live in the UK so i can only go to matches as often as time, money (and the missus) allows it, but someone who has endured wind and weather for 40 years and sung their heart out at a shite away stadiums. Their opinions carry a bit more weight than someone who started following United in 2008 because they were the best team on FIFASorry but that's bollocks - someone who has been supporting for one day does not have as valuable an opinion as someone who has been following for decades (regardless of matchgoing or not)
And of course everyone has a right to protest, not seen anyone in this thread say they havent - I have actually noticed a resurgence in the Glazer Out/Woodward Out feeling (well the feeling never went away TBH but there is talk about protests etc for the first time in a while) again from matchgoers as people put the blame for current issues completely on them and not Ole
And its all well and good to say all fans are the same but the simple fact is that there is a big difference in opinion - a poll on here (which represents our global fanbase quite well with a mix of all ages and types of fan) suggests that more than 50% of fans want Ole Out, whereas Ive seen polls on other forums which are mostly frequented by matchgoers where it is as low as 4% (which even surprised me)!
I knew there was a lot of support among then matchgoers for Ole but was surprised to see as few as 4% voting Ole Out, although in the interests of transparency the vote had 3 options and about 20% were sitting on the fence so it was around 75% approval rating for Ole.Don't take this as anything but a general observation, but I find the discrepancy you refer to interesting.
That percentage probably seems ridiculously low to many posters on here. But it actually does reflect the opinion of most United fans I know personally - and who have followed the club for many years, and who are in many cases match goers.
Does that mean that these people are convinced Ole is the second coming of Fergie? Or - even - that they think he's doing a pretty good job, all things considered?
No - in my experience it does not. It reflects the fact that these people think United are in a state where it doesn't really matter who the manager happens to be unless basic, fundamental changes are on the way on a level above, or beyond, the manager himself. To some of them Ole is a figure who - yes - represents those changes (being made). Others are far less convinced. But the consensus is that sacking Ole won't bring about any fundamental changes in itself - and fundamental changes is what they want, not a change for the sake of it (because we aren't good enough here and now - nobody thinks we are, the idea that a large number of "top reds" think it's perfectly acceptable for us to turn into a mid-table team for the foreseeable is unfounded and quite preposterous).
See aboveSemantics. Define valuable. Ive been supporting the club for decades and still talk sht every now and again. Ive had conversations loads of times where I said player x was sht for example and some youngster thats supported United for 2 minutes has said the opposite and proven right. My point is that there should not be a separation between match going fans and non match going fans and those who protest and those who dont. Its US vs them and the US is all United fans regardless of age, race, how long they supported the club, where they live and how many matches they attended.
Very, very well said.The ground was buzzing last night and for the last five minutes just about everyone around where I was were on their feet, singing and absolutely living the game. And yes, a lot of the chants were the old Ole favourites last night. The team looked up for it and the fans were feeding off it and that boosted the team again. I'm sure there was also an element of protectiveness in there, making sure that the face being shown to the media was about backing United and Ole, and drawing a line under the Mourinho/United story. Anyway, that last 5 minutes left me with exactly the kind of feeling that makes me get on packed roads in the rush hour and then accept getting packed like a sardine into a tram to get back to the car - and yes, helps remind me why I keep paying for my season ticket, even in seasons where watching United can feel more like work than pleasure.
As for the more general point - we don't crack, because at the heart of it we're no different to the fans of Burnley or Oldham or Bradford - we're there because we're United fans. Yes, the fans moan in the pub before the match, they moan in the human traffic jam when they're leaving the ground. The moans against an individual player or manager sometimes spill over and they get a public airing in the 90 minutes, but for most people who are there, any mid-match moan is kept as a low grumble or a moan to a neighbour - it's not for other people's consumption, particularly not for outsiders. Families keep their arguments amongst themselves. If you're there you can tell when a manager has lost the fans - I saw it with LvG, just like I saw it decades ago with Frank O'Farrell.
And that's the other thing, the more matches you go to, the more of a habit it becomes, like standing up when the players come out or shouting Uni-ted if the oppo fans get too boisterous, or jumping out of your seat when we score. I watched every home game in the season we got relegated and I watched every home game we played in Division 2 (these days it's called the Championship) and a bunch of aways as well. Nobody was happy about us being crap back then, nobody thought the board were doing a good job, but we were United fans and we couldn't just switch it off because it was inconvenient, or because there were other teams doing better.
whole stadium stood up and sung against the GlazersHow was the mood tonight at OT?