Which 20 clubs would you pick to be in the Premier League?

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    simonhch Horrible boss

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    Looking through the league tables you see some historically "big" clubs down the divisions, including one time rivals, and even European Champions. I think the answer to this question will vary considerably depending on how old posters are, but what would you pick as the 20 biggest clubs in English football?

    I've been trying to figure out my selection, and this is what I have so far:


    1 - Manchester United
    2 - Liverpool
    3 - Arsenal
    4 - Everton
    5 - Chelsea
    6 - Manchester City
    7 - Newcastle United
    8 - Tottenham Hotspur
    9 - Leeds United
    10 - Aston Villa
    11 - Nottingham Forest
    12 - Southampton
    13 - Sunderland
    14 - Crystal Palace
    15 - Wolverhampton Wanderers
    16 - Blackburn Rovers
    17 - Leicester City
    18 - West Bromwich Albion
    19 - West Ham United
    20 - Sheffield Wednesday

    In terms of fan base, trophies won, history, notable players and managers, I think this is the ultimate selection of clubs. Crystal Palace is by far the least successful side listed, but they've just always seemed to be in and around the premier league throughout my whole life. Plus the memories of our epic FA cup final (3-3 with Ian Wright terrorizing us) and replay against them, has left an indelible mark. Other teams I considered for places were:

    Fulham, Sheffield United, Derby County, Ipswich Town, Portsmouth, Burnley, Bolton, Preston North End, Birmingham, QPR, and Swansea.

    What other big teams do you remember from growing up that are nowhere today? One of my favourites was definitely Parma, a team that had Sensini, Asprilla, Zola, Dino Baggio, Crespo, Chiesa, Veron, Thuram, Cannavaro....fecking crazy. Or Sampdoria with Vialli, Mancini, Pagliuca, Vierchowod, Lombardo.

    Talent seemed more spread out in those days. What random memories do you have from past eras? One thing that used to be really exciting was seeing a foreign player for the first time. Invariably you'd only ever heard magical tales of his feats, because there was no youtube, no 500 channels full of sports from around the world. I remember when Spurs signed Ilie Dumitrescu, and people went nuts like he was from another planet.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    PNE. Should've made it and would be good to see. Bolton definitely.
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    Showing my age with a few of those teams but in my mind they're all bigger than a lot of teams seen in the Prem over the last decade or so despite wherever they're languishing now. Leeds, Bolton and Forest are 3 teams that really should be in the Prem as they're too big to be diddling around in the lower leagues.
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    Schneckerl Full Member

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    Without Order

    1. Manchester United
    2. Manchester City
    3. Liverpool
    4. Everton
    5. Arsenal
    6. Chelsea
    7. Tottenham
    8. Newcastle
    9. Aston Villa
    10. Sunderland
    11. Nottingham Forest
    12. Sheffield Wednesday
    13. Wolverhampton Wanderers
    14. Leeds United
    15. Blackburn Rovers
    16. Derby County
    17. Preston North End
    18. West Bromwich Albion
    19. Bolton Wanderers
    20. Sheffield United

    The first 10 are also 1. - 10. in the top tier alltime table.

    Forest Alltime table #21 (League Winner: 1, Runner-Up: 2) (FA Cup Winner: 2, Runner-Up: 1)
    Wednesday #14 (4, 1) (3,3)
    Wolverhampton #15 (3,5) (4,4)
    Leeds #20 (3,5) (1,3)
    Blackburn #12 (3,1) (6,2)
    Derby #16 (2,3) (1,3)
    PNE #26 (2,6) (2,5)
    WBA #11 (1,2) (5,5)
    Bolton #13 (0,0) (4,3)
    Sheffield #17 (1,2) (4,2)
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    1.Man Utd
    2.Liverpool
    3.Arsenal
    4.Chelsea
    5.Man City
    6.Tottenham
    7.Newcastle
    8. Leeds
    9. Wolves
    10. Southampton
    11. Sheffield United (For some reason my mind sees them as the bigger Sheffield club despite everything pointing to the contrary)
    12. Aston Villa
    13. Derby
    14. Middlesbrough
    15. Charlton
    16. Portsmouth
    17. Everton
    18. West Ham
    19. Notts Forrest
    20. Blackburn
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    No thanks, i like them where they are.
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    I thought the exact same even though there are teams like Leeds on there who I should want to see even less, I can't stand fecking Sunderland
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    It's mind boggling that Villa and Leeds (even though I detest the team) are where they are. Imagine if they'd had the luck of being bought by Arab oil money. Werner did a poor job as owner Villa.
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    marukomu The Gatekeeper

    I'd like Ipswich back. That Robson team was fecking great when I was growing up in the 70's.
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    Leeds and Accrington Stanley. I always play those in FIFA season mode.

    I know Leeds is a bad thing to say on a United forum, but feck it.

    Some other random teams I somehow think should be in the PL:

    Blackburn
    Middlesborough
    Sheffield
    Bolton Wanderers
    Blackpool (no idea why)
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    Andy_Cole Full Member

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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    No Norwich in any lists which is good, their owners are holding the club back. They get a manager, claim they're the next big thing and sack them a year later.
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    I see what you're getting at but the biggest clubs does not necessarily mean those I would like to see in my ideal PL.

    A lot of clubs have been poorly run and are rightly where they belong. Gives younger/fresh clubs a chance to compete.
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    No thank you, they always gave us trouble.
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    Be good to see Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Ipswich, Preston, Norwich , Aston Villa, Wolves, Portsmouth and I suppose Leeds if absolutely necessary
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    That's a good group, hard to look past that for the most part. Though maybe I'd omit Sunderland, but I don't know for who. Possibly Middlesbrough. When I think of Sunderland in the Premier League era, I only ever think of them as a team struggling, yo-yoing up and down and generally being hopeless, I can't remember them ever being a good PL side. Middlesbrough had some success, played in Europe, reached the UEFA Cup final about 12 years ago, won the League Cup a few years before that too. They've had some good players over the years.

    Wolves and Leicester are maybes for me too. Leicester probably have to be in there, as they've actually won the Premier League, but I still don't associate them as a top flight club. When I think of a 'Wanderers' in the top flight, I immediately think of Bolton moreso than Wolves. They've struggled a lot but they had some good years in the PL too. That Allardyce team was great.
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    Corrected. MK Dons are not the same club anymore.
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    In no particular order, just trying to get a decent spread of regions.

    Manchester United
    Manchester City
    Liverpool
    Everton
    Arsenal
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Chelsea
    West Ham United
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Sheffield United
    Leeds United
    Aston Villa
    Derby County
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Nottingham Forest
    West Bromwich Albion
    Newcastle United
    Sunderland
    Norwich City
    Ipswich Town

    Could argue for Middlesborough or even Bristol City for 1 of the East Anglia clubs.
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    1. Portsmouth (Soft spot after their financial situation)
    2. Blackburn (Premier League winners)
    3. Nottingham Forrest (x2 European champions)
    4. Shrewsbury Town (My go to team when playing career mode in Fifa during my gaming days).
    5. Aston Villa (European champions)
    6. Sheffield Wednesday (Decent club and area)
    7. Leeds (rivalry)
    8. Tottenham
    9. Derby
    10. Arsenal
    11. Chelsea
    12. Manchester United
    13. Leicester City
    14. Newcastle
    15. Everton
    16. West Ham
    17. City bastards
    18. Liverpool
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member Scout

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    I'd like Wigan back in purely because they're my local team, though I'm aware there are good reasons why other teams who can fill bigger grounds and have more history at the top are arguably more deserving.

    So accounting for local biases mine would be something like:

    1. Manchester United
    2. Liverpool
    3. Arsenal
    4. Leeds
    5. Manchester City
    5. Everton
    6. Tottenham
    7. Chelsea
    8. Aston Villa
    9. Fulham
    10. Newcastle
    11. Sunderland
    12. West Brom
    13. West Ham
    14. Blackburn
    15. Wigan Athletic
    16. Wolves
    17. Nottingham Forest
    18. Sheffield United
    19. Southampton
    20. Sheffield Wednesday
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    1. Manchester United
    2. Liverpool
    3. Arsenal
    4. Leeds
    5. Nottingham Forest
    5. Everton
    6. Tottenham
    7. Chelsea
    8. Aston Villa
    9. Sheffield Wednesday
    10. Newcastle
    11. Southampton
    12. West Brom
    13. West Ham
    14. Blackburn
    15. Bolton
    16. Wolves
    17. Wimbledon
    18. Sheffield United
    19. Sunderland
    20. Middlesbrough
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    Aren’t they the equivalent to FC United?
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    1. Manchester United
    2. Leyton Orient
    3. Mansfield
    4. Bradford
    5. Tranmere
    5. Walsall
    6. Stockport
    7. Oldham
    8. Dag & Red
    9. Rochdale
    10. Bury
    11. Exeter
    12. Truro
    13. Crawley
    14. Accrington Stanley
    15. Fleetwood
    16. Port Vale
    17. Lincoln
    18. Arsenal Ladies
    19. Man City U12s
    20. Stevenage U16s

    We'd break all kinds of records that season.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    Indeed, just imagine how easily Lukaku and Fellaini could bring down hoofs from our CBs against U12s and 16s :drool:
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    Makes me wonder if City's owner is considered as good owner or not (ownership/management wise).
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    Interestingly no one seems to have picked Huddersfield. Yet, if you took the top 20 through how they have performed in the top division in their history, they would be 13th, above Spurs. A bit misleading I know as their three title wins were in the 1920's, but still three more than the likes of West Ham, Southampton, & Middlesboro
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    3 - Arsenal
    4 - Everton
    5 - Chelsea
    6 - Manchester City
    7 - Newcastle United
    8 - Tottenham Hotspur
    9 - Leeds United
    10 - Aston Villa
    11 - Nottingham Forest
    12 - Southampton
    13 - Middlesbrough
    14 - Crystal Palace
    15 - Wolverhampton Wanderers
    16 - Blackburn Rovers
    17 - Leicester City
    18 - Norwhich
    19 - West Ham United
    20 - Bolton Wanderers
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    Preferred league. A mix of big teams and teams I find completely inoffensive:

    1. Arsenal
    2. Aston Villa
    3. Blackpool
    4. Bolton Wanderers
    5. Blackburn Rovers
    6. Charlton Athletic
    7. Chelsea
    8. Everton
    9. Fulham
    10. Ipswich Town
    11. Leeds United
    12. Leicester City
    13. Liverpool
    14. Manchester City
    15. Manchester United
    16. Nottingham Forest
    17. Newcastle United
    18. Sheffield Wednesday
    19. Southampton
    20. Tottenham Hotspur

    Charlton, Fulham and Ipswich would be the most vulnerable. Ipswich's inclusion makes me feel slightly bad for not putting Norwich in there. Each other's local rivals, Norwich have been bigger during my time watching football but Ipswich beat them historically and their kits aren't as ugly.

    QPR were close, some good games against them in the 90s and I've been to Loftus Road to watch United. Coventry too, there's nothing to hate about them, they were in top flight for years when I was small and was pleased they beat Spurs in the 1987 FA Cup final. I have an ever so slight soft spot for Swindon Town after randomly being assigned to be their 'manager' in a play-by-mail football manager style game in the 90's around the time they were in the Premier League. Never liked Wimbledon when they were in the league aprt from their FA Cup Final win but quite like the story behind AFC Wimbledon.

    Big team league:

    1. Arsenal
    2. Aston Villa
    3. Blackburn Rovers
    4. Chelsea
    5. Derby County
    6. Everton
    7. Leeds United
    8. Leicester City
    9. Liverpool
    10. Manchester City
    11. Manchester United
    12. Newcastle United
    13. Nottingham Forest
    14. Sheffield Wednesday
    15. Sheffield United
    16. Sunderland
    17. Tottenham Hotspur
    18. West Bromwich Albion
    19. West Ham United
    20. Wolverhampton Wanderers
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    Looking at the stadiums gives you a good guidline:
    Manchester Utd
    Arsenal
    Spurs
    Manchester City
    Liverpool
    Newcastle
    Chelsea
    Everton
    West Ham
    Aston Villa
    Sunderland
    Leeds
    Shef. Wed
    Middlesborough
    Derby
    Southhampton
    Wolves
    Leicester
    Blackburn
    Nottingham
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times Staff

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    :lol:

    Good list though.
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    All former Premier League teams, no longer

    Notts Forest
    Sheff Weds
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    Millwall
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    Wolves
    Sunderland
    Boro
    Leeds
    Blackburn
    Wigan
    Portsmouth
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    Cardiff City
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    Ikon Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    It always saddens me to see Forest languishing in the lower divisions, they were a top side when I was a lad.
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    Surprised at the amount of people picking Sunderland. Disaster and embarassement of a club imo.
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    Finn MacCool Full Member

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    Villa
    WBA
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    Derby
    Forest
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    Grylte "nothing wrong with some friendly incest, bro"

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    QPR used to be a regular in the top division when i grew up, would probably have them in my list.
    Not seen them mentioned yet.
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    Chelsea
    Tottenham Hotspur
    West Ham United
    Newcastle United
    Leicester City
    Southampton
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    It does. Very close to my big team league. Only Middlesbrough and Southampton in there instead of my Sheffield United and West Brom as far as I can see.

    As I'm doing this Wikipedia reckons Bramall Lane is slightly bigger than St. Mary's but that's not why I put Sheff Utd in. Both Sheff Utd and WBA have a league title, something 'Boro and Southampton don't. More cups for my picks too. Sheffield United's inclusion would also give Wednesday a derby.

    The big negative for Sheffield United vs 'Boro, Southampton and WBA would be less recent top flight participation but I can overlook that.

    Middlesbrough 34,742 1 League Cup
    Southampton 32,505, 1 FA Cup
    v
    Sheffield United 32,702 , 1 League title, 4 FA Cups
    West Brom 26,850, 1 League title, 5 FA Cups, 1 League Cup

    Although league titles aren't the be all and end all for me as I've got West Ham in there who have never won one and have left out Huddersfield, Burnley, Portsmouth, Preston and Ipswich who have in my big league one. West Ham's fan base, coming from a big city, their stadium and more consistent recent top-flight participations over the last 30-40 years meant I went with them even though I don't exactly like them. West Ham were definitely missing out on my preferred league.
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