You raise some valid points but whilst we need to work for the long term it is still beneficial to have, and plan, for some form of short term success. Funding a £35m signing from the French League that could help us secure European football for next season shouldn't be stopping us from making a big signing like Anderson. They key is in the scouting, if other clubs can do it then we should be demanding it off our own scouts.The term the club has used is “thinking in eras, not seasons”, which we have needed. We all know midfield is our weakest position, but I’d rather we acted like a grown up, mature club and brought in the man that’ll see us through the next 5 seasons or more, rather than one who might get us up a couple of places this season, but will be yet another piece of deadwood down the line.
We’ve been an absolute mess, we have to have patience. Next summer we have Cas, Maguire, Sancho and hopefully Rashford all gone. That’s over £1m a week in wages. We’ll start to have financial room to manoeuvre, CL or not.
From what I’ve heard, there’s nothing available in the pot, so it’d have to be contingent on outgoings.You raise some valid points but whilst we need to work for the long term it is still beneficial to have, and plan, for some form of short term success. Funding a £35m signing from the French League that could help us secure European football for next season shouldn't be stopping us from making a big signing like Anderson. They key is in the scouting, if other clubs can do it then we should be demanding it off our own scouts.
Deary me, you look at this table and man if we can bring in a couple of strong recruits this January we have a solid chance at something special
I wonder if we could even interest Everton in Ugarte as a permanent signing. They have 36 y/o Idrissa Gueye starting most games and Ugarte would give them a better, younger, higher potential equivalent and I reckon we'd accept a reasonable £35m for him. Only issue with that would be that I can see Ugarte preferring a move to Italy or Spain over extending his stay in the UK.I’ve been saying we should go for Garner as a backup. He can do better than Ugarte and he’s homegrown and will help with our academy record.
His contract is running out too so he will either be cheap or move on a free in the summer. Ineos should be all over this move.
Get him on a cheap deal in January and offer them Mainoo on a loan till the end of the season with no option to buy.
Ffs, we already whipped their pants for Schneiderlin, we can’t go and do it again!I wonder if we could even interest Everton in Ugarte as a permanent signing. They have 36 y/o Idrissa Gueye starting most games and Ugarte would give them a better, younger, higher potential equivalent and I reckon we'd accept a reasonable £35m for him. Only issue with that would be that I can see Ugarte preferring a move to Italy or Spain over extending his stay in the UK.
No way Forest will sell Anderson in January unless we offer 120m, money we don't have.
But this where we have to pull off some serious financial engineering, achieving European Football especially CL will enable us to accelerate our rebuild. We are closer to the finish line regarding our rebuild and we have an opportunity to steal the march on our rivals for a number of key targets. Just saying 'there is no money' and watch the team slide down the table won't cut it.From what I’ve heard, there’s nothing available in the pot, so it’d have to be contingent on outgoings.
I’d have no issues if he we shifted on Ugarte and used the money to buy someone that’ll wind up as a squad player, but it’s hard to picture any outgoings being anything better than loan + option/obligation
If there’s no money, there’s no money, whether that’s cash or PSR wise. What the club have been briefing is that the situation changes in the summer because we’ll be free of most, if not all, of the daft contracts.But this where we have to pull off some serious financial engineering, achieving European Football especially CL will enable us to accelerate our rebuild. We are closer to the finish line regarding our rebuild and we have an opportunity to steal the march on our rivals for a number of key targets. Just saying 'there is no money' and watch the team slide down the table won't cut it.
There is no way in high hell PSG would be selling him. He’s surely one of their untouchables.According to some Portuguese rag, Liverpool are eying up Joa Neves. We gotta be all over that if they are willing to sell
Sorry, but I think he’d be absolutely dreadful in this system. Think he’s a good player, but he’s short and slow. We need mobility in the midfield and height/power in the team generally. He’d make us slower and shorter.
Would still be better than Ugarte, though.
All of our main targets, Baleba, Andersson and Wharton are "small" in either height or weight. And only Baleba has some pace of them. If we needed height and power then we did we sell McTominey?
Neves would be a great addition to our cm, not saying he should be our main man there, but if can get him for €15-20m then we should grab him without even thinking about it. He has already proved that he can play in the PL.
Anderson's almost the exact same size as Roy Keane was, maybe 5-10lb lighter, if anything. Hardly small. Wharton's 6 feet, 176lbs, which is basically the same as Casemiro. Only Baleba is small really, but he has the pace to make up for it.
Google ‘Ruben Neves weaknesses’ and this is what you’ll get:All of our main targets, Baleba, Andersson and Wharton are "small" in either height or weight. And only Baleba has some pace of them. If we needed height and power then we did we sell McTominey?
Neves would be a great addition to our cm, not saying he should be our main man there, but if can get him for €15-20m then we should grab him without even thinking about it. He has already proved that he can play in the PL.
A Stiller,Anderson combo might be the answer we're looking for.
Loan Mainoo to Napoli in exchange for them making Hojlunds loan permanent in January.
Reinvest Hojlunds fee in Ederson who is rumored to be available for a similar fee in Jan, and is a better all round CM that will improve our athleticism and progressive play at CM compared to Mainoo/Ugarte.
Do a “loan-swap” with Atletico for Gallagher vs. Ugarte with mutual buy-options. A proven PL-player in exchange for someone that Atletico is rumored to be interested in.
Come summer and we go all in for Elliot Anderson.
CM-options next season:
Anderson
Ederson
Mainoo
Gallagher
I’m assuming Casemiro will be released and that we will cash in on Bruno, but wouldn’t really mind him staying.
He’s playing every week. Every chance he goes to a new club and doesn’t do well initially - that would be a disaster for him and his chances at the WC.Not sure everyone thinks a Jan move for Anderson isn't possible. Surely it's better for his England prospects to walk into the Utd midfield and boss us to Champions League for the second half of the season, rather than getting caught up in a relegation dog fight with Forest
Yeah no chance he goes anywhere in JanuaryI could see some sort of deal with Brighton to sign Baleba and loan them Mainoo.
I hope the plan is for us to go all out for Anderson but I don’t think he moves in January.
Not sure everyone thinks a Jan move for Anderson isn't possible. Surely it's better for his England prospects to walk into the Utd midfield and boss us to Champions League for the second half of the season, rather than getting caught up in a relegation dog fight with Forest
WHy though? He's getting those England caps by playing well with Forest.Not sure everyone thinks a Jan move for Anderson isn't possible. Surely it's better for his England prospects to walk into the Utd midfield and boss us to Champions League for the second half of the season, rather than getting caught up in a relegation dog fight with Forest
I don't completely dismiss the possibility that Baleba may be dogging it this season to drop the club's fee demand and get the transfer he wants
Anderson and Wharton are very different players. Wharton is more of a no6, sits deeper and and can recycle possession and put through incisive passes ala Michael Carrick.I'm in the camp that believes it won't be possible to buy Anderson in January. On the other hand, Forest have to know that Anderson is not going to be a part of their future and if we can summon the cojones to put in a bid of 80m we may just tempt Forest into taking it.
The more I watch the boy, the more I see that he's a class apart from Wharton, who's quite decent in his own right. And although I don't completely dismiss the possibility that Baleba may be dogging it this season to drop the club's fee demand and get the transfer he wants, it may well be the case that he can't handle the pressure of being linked to clubs like United.
It's Anderson for me, full stop.
yeah agreed 100%If that was the case, I really wouldn't want a player like that anyway, tired of unprofessionals dragging us down
WHy though? He's getting those England caps by playing well with Forest.
