Which players should stay for the rebuild?

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I think it's pretty clear that we have one of the weakest Man Utd squads in decades. Ideally we would replace 90 percent plus of the squad but that probably isn't realistic in the short term.

however which players do you consider to have a mid to long term future at the club and should be part of the rebuild?

GK

None

DEF

Yoro
De Ligt
Maz
Heaven
Dalot
Dorgu
Amass

MID

Mainoo
Ugarte

AM

Bruno
Amad

ST

Zirkzee
Chido

You could make an argument for Garnacho but I don't really see him as a natural 10 so maybe he doesn't really have a place in the team. Players like Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen are closer to the end of their careers and should leave. Maguire too isn't a long term solution. The likes of Mount, Shaw, Martinez have so many injury issues it's hard to justify keeping them.
 
Red Rash said:
I think it's pretty clear that we have one of the weakest Man Utd squads in decades. Ideally we would replace 90 percent plus of the squad but that probably isn't realistic in the short term.

however which players do you consider to have a mid to long term future at the club and should be part of the rebuild?

GK

None

DEF

Yoro
De Ligt
Maz
Heaven
Dalot
Dorgu
Amass

MID

Mainoo
Ugarte

AM

Bruno
Amad

ST

Zirkzee
Chido

You could make an argument for Garnacho but I don't really see him as a natural 10 so maybe he doesn't really have a place in the team. Players like Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen are closer to the end of their careers and should leave. Maguire too isn't a long term solution. The likes of Mount, Shaw, Martinez have so many injury issues it's hard to justify keeping them.
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Can’t disagree with most of this.

However, that only leaves 13 players!

I would probably add in Collyer to keep.

Given we actually need to do this in stages, I would keep Maguire and Mount. Keeping Maguire means we only need to buy 1 CB this summer, and Mount think deserves one more chance next season.
 
Mazraoui, De Ligt, Yoro, Heaven, Dorgu (Dalot as sub) Martinez (as swapping with De Ligt)
Ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Diallo,
Plus players like Collyer, Amass and Obi Martin should be part of league cup and cup squads.
I woulndt particularly mind/care if Maguire stayed another year as a sub and expect that Hojlund will

So that would put us on about 17 players including ones who would be explicitly subs/league cup players.
So about 6 players in summer, which Im not sure we can afford.

As a result Id be surprised if Onana isnt number 1 next year, just accepting that rebuilds dont happen all at once. I also expect Shaw and Mount to be in squad, so would anticipate 3-4 signings maximum.

I think Garnacho will be sold but could be part of a rebuild of a squad with a different manager for sure.

I actually think the defence is better placed than it seems and a few different strong back 3 combinations can be made.

The obvious weak points are RWB, Striker and GK.
 
Keep long term:
Amad
Yoro
Heaven
Bruno

Keep short term:
Dalot
De Ligt
Maguire
Ugarte
Shaw (don’t care what we do with him)

On trial for another season:
Zirkzee
Dorgu
Mount (assess fitness)
Mainoo
Collyer and other youth (assess here or on loan)
Onana (add cheap competition or sell him)

Sell or release:
Garnacho (if we can get £50m+)
Lindelof
Casemiro
Hojlund (or loan if we can get a better alternative)
Eriksen
Evans
All the players out on loan
 
It's despair inducing that there has probably been a thread like this (that I can remember) for every manager since at least Solskjaer's tenure.
 
pocco said:
Keep long term:
Amad
Yoro
Heaven
Bruno

Keep short term:
Dalot
De Ligt
Maguire
Ugarte
Shaw (don’t care what we do with him)

On trial for another season:
Zirkzee
Dorgu
Mount (assess fitness)
Mainoo
Collyer and other youth (assess here or on loan)
Onana (add cheap competition or sell him)

Sell or release:
Garnacho (if we can get £50m+)
Lindelof
Casemiro
Hojlund (or loan if we can get a better alternative)
Eriksen
Evans
All the players out on loan
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Move De Ligt and Ugarte to "Keep long term", and I would agree with this (they are at least good enough for the squad, I feel). Maybe also move Onana to "Sell", but it might give us too much work this summer.
 
Honestly, I think we need to massively change things. We have so many technically poor or slow or weak or mentally weak players. Obviously we don't have anywhere near the funds to replace all these players and we'll have to keep most of them, but if I could keep just the ones who are (or potentially are)worth keeping it would be:


GK

Nope

DEF

Yoro
De Ligt
Maz
Heaven
Dorgu (maybe)

MID

Mainoo (maybe)
Ugarte

AM

Bruno
Amad

ST

Chido
 
Feel like this discussion happens every year but we aren't going to clear out half a squad in one summer.

Even when we do manage to offload one, the club they go to ends up threatening to pay us money to give them back.

I don't think Lindelof or Evans need to be there. You'd think the ones on loan will go. We also need a keeper. The rest it depends who we can line up to bring in, because if the answer is no one we have to keep what we've got.

The list of players we should actively try to keep regsrdless though is very small. Basically it's Bruno, Amad, Mainoo and the u20s.
 
De Ligt
Mazraoui
Yoro
Heaven
Dorgu
Ugarte
Mainoo
Bruno
Garnacho
Amad

Those are the players I'd definitively want to keep for the medium/long term.

And within that, you could still convince me that some of them should be sold. For example Mainoo depending on what a new contract would cost, or Garnacho depending on the fee we'd get and what it would allow us do in the transfer market.

Everyone else I either wouldn't blink at selling or actively want sold.
 
Maz
Deligt
Martinez
Yorro
Heaven
Amass
Ugarte
Mainoo
Garnacho
Amad
Hojlund

Can be part of long term squad….BUT need to improve performance in a lot of cases.
 
Sell :-
Onana
Casemiro
Eriksen
Hojlund
Garnacho ( if we get good money)
Mainoo ( if we get good money)
Lindelof
Maguire
Balandyir
 
pocco said:
Keep long term:
Amad
Yoro
Heaven
Bruno

Keep short term:
Dalot
De Ligt
Maguire
Ugarte
Shaw (don’t care what we do with him)

On trial for another season:
Zirkzee
Dorgu
Mount (assess fitness)
Mainoo
Collyer and other youth (assess here or on loan)
Onana (add cheap competition or sell him)

Sell or release:
Garnacho (if we can get £50m+)
Lindelof
Casemiro
Hojlund (or loan if we can get a better alternative)
Eriksen
Evans
All the players out on loan
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Fair list. I’d probably swap Mainoo and Ugarte. Marzaoui in short term/trial.
 
We need a squad of 23-25 people and we're not buying 10 players.

Also, we're most likely not playing in Europe nor are challenging for anything next season, so we will use players like Maguire, Dalot etc. that people would like to shift
 
red_de_pologne said:
We need a squad of 23-25 people and we're not buying 10 players.

Also, we're most likely not playing in Europe nor are challenging for anything next season, so we will use players like Maguire, Dalot etc. that people would like to shift
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Sure, but the OP is asking which players have a mid-long term future here, not who'll still be here next season.
 
The real answer to this is no one who is not leaving/on loan already.
The squad will need many additions as it is.
 
Keep long term:
Amad
Ugarte
Yoro
Heaven
Chido

Keep short term:
Bruno
De Ligt
Maguire


On trial for another season:
Garnacho
Zirkzee
Dorgu
Mount (assess fitness)
Mainoo
Bayindir
Collyer and other youth (assess here or on loan)

Sell or release:

Onana
Lindelof
Casemiro
Hojlund
Eriksen
Evans
Shaw
Rashford
Sancho
 
Red Rash said:
I think it's pretty clear that we have one of the weakest Man Utd squads in decades. Ideally we would replace 90 percent plus of the squad but that probably isn't realistic in the short term.

however which players do you consider to have a mid to long term future at the club and should be part of the rebuild?

GK

None

DEF

Yoro
De Ligt
Maz
Heaven
Dalot
Dorgu
Amass

MID

Mainoo
Ugarte

AM

Bruno
Amad

ST

Zirkzee
Chido

You could make an argument for Garnacho but I don't really see him as a natural 10 so maybe he doesn't really have a place in the team. Players like Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen are closer to the end of their careers and should leave. Maguire too isn't a long term solution. The likes of Mount, Shaw, Martinez have so many injury issues it's hard to justify keeping them.
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Agree with all that. Add Collyer in and a couple from the youth setup to bump us up to 16/17 or so and rebuild from there.

Lots to do. But if we don't have Europe next year we can afford to go in with a smaller squad than usual.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Fair list. I’d probably swap Mainoo and Ugarte. Marzaoui in short term/trial.
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Damn I forgot Mazraoui. For me he’s cheap and fairly reliable so I’d be fine with him sticking around as a squad level player in the long run, but he’d be needed regularly in the short term whilst we bed in the likes of Yoro and Heaven.

I was close to putting Ugarte in the trial list but given what we’ve spent and our relatively thin options in midfield, I bumped him up a bit.
 
Mazraoui
Heaven
Yoro
de Ligt
Dorgu
Bruno
Mainoo
Amad

I’ve not included likes of Amass and Chido but the above are the only first team players I’d keep and even that is giving a couple benefit of the doubt.

Everyone else I’d be open to selling and would t want to give a new contract/extension to. It’s a 2-3 summer window rebuild to reshape the squad and even then there will be plenty of gaps.

The squad only two surviving players from Arteta’s first matchday squad at Arsenal are Saka and Nelson. And Nelson is out on loan and didn’t play much anyway. That’s the kind of upheaval we are going to need.
 
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Keep
Heaton
Yoro
Dorgu
Heaven
Amass
Bruno
Mainoo
Collyer
Amad
Obi

50/50
DeLigt
Martinez
Shaw
Mount
Ugarte
Zirkzee

Sell/Release
Onana
Bayindir
Lindelof
Maguire
Mazraoui
Dalot
Malacia
Evans
Eriksen
Casemiro
Hojlund
Garnacho
Rashford
Antony
Sancho
 
Silverman said:
Keep
Heaton
Yoro
Dorgu
Heaven
Amass
Bruno
Mainoo
Collyer
Amad
Obi

50/50
DeLigt
Martinez
Shaw
Mount
Ugarte
Zirkzee

Sell/Release
Onana
Bayindir
Lindelof
Maguire
Mazraoui
Dalot
Malacia
Evans
Eriksen
Casemiro
Hojlund
Garnacho
Rashford
Antony
Sancho
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This is closest to mine but I’d consider keeping Maguire and Maz as depth.
 
Silverman said:
Keep
Heaton
Yoro
Dorgu
Heaven
Amass
Bruno
Mainoo
Collyer
Amad
Obi

50/50
DeLigt
Martinez
Shaw
Mount
Ugarte
Zirkzee

Sell/Release
Onana
Bayindir
Lindelof
Maguire
Mazraoui
Dalot
Malacia
Evans
Eriksen
Casemiro
Hojlund
Garnacho
Rashford
Antony
Sancho
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This isn't a serious list if Shaw is 50/50
He will never play a full season in his life and is on high wages. No fault of his own, but he should be the 1st one out the door. He has contributed nothing. And Mount is on a season trial. If he can't stay healthy for the rest of this season and next season he should go. We need to be ruthless. And its first starts with availability
 
If we start selling Garnacho and or Mainoo to support this poor system then we are truly shagged next season.
First part of the rebuild is a manager who can adapt to a squad and react to the PL teams.
Our team isn’t as bad as this and the cheaper rebuild would be getting rid of Amorim and supporting the new guy around the youngsters we have.
 
Centre Backs:
De Ligt
Yoro
Maz
Licha
Maguire
Heaven

Wingbacks:
Dalot
Dorgu

Midfielders:
Ugarte
Mainoo
Collyer

Attacking Midfielders:
Bruno
Amad
Mount

Feck everyone else off.

Note this list doesn’t include the youngsters who haven’t made the step up yet (Chido, Sekou Kone etc.)
 
Freak said:
Centre Backs:
De Ligt
Yoro
Maz
Licha
Maguire
Heaven

Wingbacks:
Dalot
Dorgu

Midfielders:
Ugarte
Mainoo
Collyer

Attacking Midfielders:
Bruno
Amad
Mount

Feck everyone else off.

Note this list doesn’t include the youngsters who haven’t made the step up yet (Chido, Sekou Kone etc.)
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Can't argue with that list, only addition would be Zirkzee as he's getting better and would be a good backup 10 at least
 
The only players that should definitely be sold/leave/be released regardless of who we bring in are:

Bayindir, Evans, Lindelof, Malacia, Eriksen, Rashford, Antony and Sancho

Selling anyone else is going to ultimately depend who we can bring in.

Onana should be sold if we can get a decent keeper for around the 30 million mark.

I'd also argue a loan move for Collyer would be beneficial as he needs to playing regularly now.

I'd be prepared to keep Casemiro and Maguire for a season if they're happy to play a reduced role.

I'd loan out Hojlund with the hope of maybe selling him the following year.

Dalot maybe gets another season if we qualify for the Champions League (we'll need a bigger squad). If that doesn't happen and we can bring in another RWB, I'd also sell him.

If there's interest in Shaw, it might be the time for him to go sadly.
 
If we switch back to a back 4 formation, we could limit loses of good youngster and not have to spend as much - just need a good manager.
On paper, we actually have a good 442 and 4231 squad - way better than 15th and getting humped weekly.
A good ST to partner JZ up front.
A new GK obviously.
An upgrade at RB
Would be much better than selling good players to fit this disaster of a system we are intent on caving into which will be for nothing after 8 games next season.
 
The only players I'm interested in staying from the first team are:

- Bruno (need to start planning his replacement)
- Yoro
- De Ligt
- Mazrouri
- Amad
- Mainoo (would sell for a decent offer especially if next season he starts regressing more)

The rest I'd happily sell and have no issues over.
 
soapythecat said:
If we switch back to a back 4 formation, we could limit loses of good youngster and not have to spend as much - just need a good manager.
On paper, we actually have a good 442 and 4231 squad - way better than 15th and getting humped weekly.
A good ST to partner JZ up front.
A new GK obviously.
An upgrade at RB
Would be much better than selling good players to fit this disaster of a system we are intent on caving into which will be for nothing after 8 games next season.
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That's all it would be though, on paper. In reality we'd still have a midfield that gets ran through, leaky defence and attackers that don't score.

For me I'd keep: Bruno, Amad, Maz, De Ligt, Yoro, Heaven, Chido and Mainoo. Rest wouldn't care who's sold or released.
 
Agree with the OP's notion. Think I'd only include Garnacho for a bench option but it's slim pickings across multiple outfield positions.
 
Frank White said:
That's all it would be though, on paper. In reality we'd still have a midfield that gets ran through, leaky defence and attackers that don't score.

For me I'd keep: Bruno, Amad, Maz, De Ligt, Yoro, Heaven, Chido and Mainoo. Rest wouldn't care who's sold or released.
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Pretty much the same names for me.

I was against the idea of selling Garnacho in Jan. I’m a bit more on the fence now if we got a good offer.

As for the rest, unfeasible to get rid of them all this summer obviously but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if any of them went. And there’s a good few I’d love us to get rid of now.
 
There have been numerous iterations of these over the last 12 seasons and in each one fans wants to keep 5 or 6 players and sell the rest. The biggest issue with this club over the last 12 seasons has been it's recruitment. We have cleared the "deadwood" only to add more expensive and highly paid deadwood. Until that improves someone will ask the same question again in a couple of years time.

Yoro, de Ligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee, Maz, Dorgu - these are players bought within the last 18 months. I am pretty confident about half, if not more, of these will be in the "Kill list" in 12 months time. Except Yoro none of them appear to have exceptional talent to be in the regular starting XI of a team challenging for trophies.

It's okay to discuss who should go but it is pointless if the players coming in are not exponentially better than the players going.
 
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Insanity said:
There have been numerous iterations of these over the last 12 seasons and in each one fans wants to keep 5 or 6 players and sell the rest. The biggest issue with this club over the last 12 seasons has been it's recruitment. We have cleared the "deadwood" only to add more expensive and highly paid deadwood. Until that improves someone will ask the same question again in a couple of years time.

Yoro, de Ligt, Ugarte, Zirkzee, Maz, Dorgu - these are players bought within the last 18 months. I am pretty confident about half, if not more, of these will be in the "Kill list" in 12 months time. Except Yoro neither of them appear to have exceptional talent to be in the regular starting XI of a team challenging for trophies.

It's okay to discuss who should go but it is pointless if the players coming in are not expotentionally better than the players going.
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Very true. That’s got to improve and they’ve got to start getting that right.
 
Hopefully here in 2 years challenging for the title.

Yoro
Mazraoui
De Ligt
Heaven
Dalot
Dorgu
Leon

Ugarte
Bruno
Collyer
Mainoo

Amad
Zirkzee

Obviously we're shortest up top. 2 acceptable players for 3 positions.
 
I actually like Collyer, not spectacular, but he can do a job for us.

Of course in an unlikely event of a club offering decent money for him, it would be foolish to say no.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Very true. That’s got to improve and they’ve got to start getting that right.
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We seem to get progressively worse.

We let De Gea go and buy Onana.
We let Fred go and buy Ugarte
We let Scotty go and buy Zirkzee.
We have even let 'Arry go and bought the Dutch 'Arry.

The list is never ending.
 
Red Rash said:
I think it's pretty clear that we have one of the weakest Man Utd squads in decades. Ideally we would replace 90 percent plus of the squad but that probably isn't realistic in the short term.

however which players do you consider to have a mid to long term future at the club and should be part of the rebuild?

GK

None

DEF

Yoro
De Ligt
Maz
Heaven
Dalot
Dorgu
Amass

MID

Mainoo
Ugarte

AM

Bruno
Amad

ST

Zirkzee
Chido

You could make an argument for Garnacho but I don't really see him as a natural 10 so maybe he doesn't really have a place in the team. Players like Casemiro, Lindelof, Eriksen are closer to the end of their careers and should leave. Maguire too isn't a long term solution. The likes of Mount, Shaw, Martinez have so many injury issues it's hard to justify keeping them.
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Think you hit the nail on the head with that list
 
GK (Need 1 signing)
Bayindir (Wouldn't mind him as a second options given how there's no way we get two keepers in for next season)

DEF (No new signings)
Licha
Heaven
Shaw (Only cuz we'll struggle to find buyers)
Maguire
De Ligt
Maz
Yoro

Wingback (Need 2 signings)
Dorgu
Dalot

MID (Need 2 signings)
Bruno
Ugarte
Colleyer

AM (Need 2 signings)
Amad

Striker (Need 1 signing)
Hojlund
Zirkzee
 
There are only 3 players we keep regardless in my opinion - Amad, Bruno and Yoro

Everyone else can be sold if we get insanely good offers.
 
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