6 permanent managers since Ferguson left the club. Which of them did you have high hopes for and ended up failing to meet expectation? For me it was Ten Hag. Beautiful possession football at Ajax then went the complete opposite direction here
Which Post-Fergie manager tenure disappointed you the most?
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I think each one has disappointed in different ways.
If I had to chose it would probably be Moyes though, took a PL winning team and killed it, signed Fellaini and Mata, two players who were the wrong fit at the time and it just seemed to crumble from there.
If I had to chose it would probably be Moyes though, took a PL winning team and killed it, signed Fellaini and Mata, two players who were the wrong fit at the time and it just seemed to crumble from there.
Yeah it has to be Ten Hag. I thought he would be the one to get us back.
Van Gaal though, he made the football so boring and it was during his time when I started to do other things while I watched a match.
Probably Mourinho cause he was the only one I thought would win the league within his time at the club.
Not so much what he did, I just had higher standards of him than the others.
Not so much what he did, I just had higher standards of him than the others.
Mourinho. I thought he would have won us one league title before he imploded as he had previously won the league wherever he went.
Ten Hag and Amorim.
With the others I felt the question marks over their credentials would inevitably prove to be their downfall, but with those two the question marks (for me at least) was really only whether they can do it in the prem with us. But that's a risk for anyone, even the best managers so I was excited about us getting young promising managers who like to play good football.
It boils down to those being the only two that, at the time of their appointment, I could imagine a world where they're still managing us 5-6 years down the line.
With the others I felt the question marks over their credentials would inevitably prove to be their downfall, but with those two the question marks (for me at least) was really only whether they can do it in the prem with us. But that's a risk for anyone, even the best managers so I was excited about us getting young promising managers who like to play good football.
It boils down to those being the only two that, at the time of their appointment, I could imagine a world where they're still managing us 5-6 years down the line.
Mourinho. Even in his declining state, I thought "if he can't take us back to the top, nobody can".
Amorim by a land slide. There wasn't a single positive spell under him. Absolute trash manager from beginning to end.
Even under ten Hag who was also trash, we were brilliant for like 3 months during his first season. Amorims spell in charge was far and away the most depressing of my lifetime closely followed by Rangnicks spell as interim.
Even under ten Hag who was also trash, we were brilliant for like 3 months during his first season. Amorims spell in charge was far and away the most depressing of my lifetime closely followed by Rangnicks spell as interim.
In terms of expectations, probably Amorim. Was looking forward to an attacking based set up and a really smart up and coming tactician. I still don’t think the club helped him by not sorting out the midfield issues. We still have so many players who are nowhere near good enough for a club with serious expectations. But of course, Amorim himself was a disappointment with his crap in game management. He did get rid of some of the wasters though.
In terms of the one that hurt the most, easily Ole. Loved him as a player but my god, ole the manager drove me insane. Tolerated lazy performances for far too long, was too nice and tactically we were an absolute mess. I hate the “vibes” and “DNA” nonsense too.
In terms of the one that hurt the most, easily Ole. Loved him as a player but my god, ole the manager drove me insane. Tolerated lazy performances for far too long, was too nice and tactically we were an absolute mess. I hate the “vibes” and “DNA” nonsense too.
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Jose. He was already starting to become a dinosaur, but he still is the biggest and best manager we have had since SAF.
However, I think if he had calmed a bit (and become more Ancelloti and less Mr. Grumpy) and if he had a better structure around him, we could have won more. Peak of disappointment came after Sevilla, when I understood it is over and he cant do it anymore.
However, I think if he had calmed a bit (and become more Ancelloti and less Mr. Grumpy) and if he had a better structure around him, we could have won more. Peak of disappointment came after Sevilla, when I understood it is over and he cant do it anymore.
Based solely on the hype they received before they started, relative to what they delivered; it's definitely between Mourinho or LVG.
Streets won't forget that 'OranjeCafe' idiocy.
Streets won't forget that 'OranjeCafe' idiocy.
He's the best, but I think we all knew prior to his appointment that it could easily end the way it did. He came with enough baggage that it was hardly unexpected.
That's true but his baggage had also come with a league title 100% of the time before he got to Utd.
True, I was probably hoping for higher highs than we got, but it's also probably true that he had always started from a stronger position at those other jobs.
Probably Rangnick as he was meant to move upstairs and sort out our football structure and strategy which is what we really needed
Me too. It was so boring. Watching paint dry was more exciting.
Ten Hag. He even had a really good first season which made things more disappointing.
Amorim didn't disappoint quite as much because although I didn't expect us to finish 15th, we were already pretty shite when he came in so my expectations were lower.
Amorim didn't disappoint quite as much because although I didn't expect us to finish 15th, we were already pretty shite when he came in so my expectations were lower.
Agreed for this reason. Every other manager gave us a purple patch which made me dream of what could be. Amorim was relentlessly depressing and negative both in his football and his pressers.
But with Amorim coming in when he did, there was an element of 'how could it possibly get worse?'
It's like if we brought in Lammens to replace Onana and then find out he's partially blind and only has one arm.
Amorim.
Full of hope.
Results absolutely terrible. One of the worst clubs in the league under him.
Full of hope.
Results absolutely terrible. One of the worst clubs in the league under him.
Every coach has made mistake but Ten Haag was the worst
Spent 400M on trash.
Antony, Onana, Mount, Zirkzee ..
Spent 400M on trash.
Antony, Onana, Mount, Zirkzee ..
Recruitment has been shit under all of them.
But none of them have gone on to do great things since leaving us, so as well as recruitment the hiring of managers has also been dreadful.
But none of them have gone on to do great things since leaving us, so as well as recruitment the hiring of managers has also been dreadful.
and makes perfect sense.Amorim. I paid less attention to the portuguese league when he was around so I had no preconceived opinion on him, I had no strong expectations outside of standard coaching. But a lot of people for years spoke about him and labeled him as a potentially great coach. Within two months, I had big doubts because he showed zero abilities, I can point to something positive about the others even if I don't rate them but in the case of Amorim.
I would give him a zero when it comes to coaching, man management, game management or communication. 14 months in and I don't know if he is any different than a Di Matteo.
I would give him a zero when it comes to coaching, man management, game management or communication. 14 months in and I don't know if he is any different than a Di Matteo.
LvG. I thought he'd come in and sort it. But the ins and outs were terrible and his attitude towards us since has been poor.
Mourinho I never really liked before he came.
No clue why anybody expected anything from ETH and Amorim. Both of them punts.
Mourinho I never really liked before he came.
No clue why anybody expected anything from ETH and Amorim. Both of them punts.
Probably have to rank them against expectation - Ole probably ranks highest in that regard, with Amorim/LvG at the bottom. Jose and ETH are saved by the fact they both won multiple trophies/got us CL football.
Edit - right now, if I had to return to any manager it would probably be Ole.
Edit - right now, if I had to return to any manager it would probably be Ole.
Mourinho only because the expectation was winning the title, and we fell significantly short of winning it.
I think out of all the managers Moyes has the most right to be annoyed, he got supported the least.
All of them. It’s hard to pick one.
Glazers. Close second, Ineos.
Moyes, as the contrast was so stark to what had been before. He also gutted us in a very bad way structurally inside the club.
I had high hopes for Amorim. There was so much talk about him being the modern coach we needed. In the end he turned out to be complete and utter shit and the worst of the lot. Nothing more than a snake oil salesman who attempted to manipulate everyone in to believing he was the real deal. Very disappointing indeed
Mourinho experiment had to be done. But at the cost of Van Gaal tenure being cut short I thought Van Gaal deserved another season after his FA cup win. He was planning on signing Mane from Southampton and Erickson from spurs was on the shortlist and a pacy left winger (cant recall who). That would have made a difference to Van Gaal's team. He's the one I thought could handle the pressure and thrive in the job. Then again he rejected the transfer of Toni Kroos to Utd which is just mental. Moyes rejecting Thiago from Barcelona is one think, but Toni Kroos is absolute madness.
The manager we should have at some point post Fergie but never happened was ancelotti. I do think if we had gone with ancelotti instead of Moyes we would have still been winning trophies.
The manager we should have at some point post Fergie but never happened was ancelotti. I do think if we had gone with ancelotti instead of Moyes we would have still been winning trophies.
My expectations of Moyes were unreasonably high - he had by far the strongest inheritance of any squad, had massive money available (as the failed Bale bid showed), he knew the league and the media image of him made me believe he could raise to the top from his comfy position with Everton just below the top 4 at the time. So I was disappointed, but that was on me.
I agree with the Amorim and Ten Hag shouts - those were meant to be the up-and-coming managers who would modernise the playing side and move us forward. Neither got anywhere near, though Ten Hag at least got some silverware over the line so I guess Amorim was the most disappointing.
I agree with the Amorim and Ten Hag shouts - those were meant to be the up-and-coming managers who would modernise the playing side and move us forward. Neither got anywhere near, though Ten Hag at least got some silverware over the line so I guess Amorim was the most disappointing.
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Moyes hurt the most, not because I was expecting anything from him personally (thought that it was a massive mistake even though I couldn't imagine just how massive) but I was still used to Fergie's standards.
Ten Hag was the first manager I was excited about at the stage of the appointment, so in terms of the individual expectations, that would be him. Amorim is close second but the squad was such a mess at that point.
Ten Hag was the first manager I was excited about at the stage of the appointment, so in terms of the individual expectations, that would be him. Amorim is close second but the squad was such a mess at that point.
- Amorim - and I actually liked him. But his system and substitutions have been such a let down and at times it genuinely felt that a random armchair manager could've set the team up better.
- Moyes - bringing in Mata and Fellaini was just moronic, changed too much of the structure too fast. We never looked convincing at any period under him.
- Jose - we all knew it was going to implode at some point, but I expected more from Jose. Signings were so shortsighted and harmed the club long term.
- Ten Hag - expected so much more based on his impressive Ajax teams. Just a pretty average performance
- LVG - he actually implemented a system. I liked his character. Football was unwatchable though. Delivered a cup.
- Ole - didn't expect much, delivered multiple top 4 finishes, cup runs and memorable moments. Jose left us in a such a low and he did turn it around. Ultimately wasn't good enough to evolve the team.
Amorim by a mile.
For me, it has to be Amorim. Hand on heart, I cannot think of 1 game where we utterly dominated an opposition and played football befitting a Utd team. And that after I had such high hopes that we had installed a likeable, progressive, young manager that could bring fresh ideas and with success build a dynasty...how wrong can you be!
Ten Hag for me as I generally thought he was our man and he'd be here long term.
I was excited for Amorim as well but with more muted expectations and he was saying and doing a lot of the right things at the start but his tactical rigidness coincided with even more inconsistent performances and form than under Ten Hag.
Jose I sort of knew what we were getting and it felt like a deal with the devil at the time.
Van Gaal I felt was the transitional manager we were supposed to have immediately after Fergie instead of Moyes. I loved him as a character and still do but the football was turgid and I wasn't surprised when he got cut loose for Jose after the FA Cup final.
Ole was a pleasant surprise as interim but I never had real faith in him sticking around long term.
All in all, Ten Hag and Amorims failures stung the most.
I was excited for Amorim as well but with more muted expectations and he was saying and doing a lot of the right things at the start but his tactical rigidness coincided with even more inconsistent performances and form than under Ten Hag.
Jose I sort of knew what we were getting and it felt like a deal with the devil at the time
.Van Gaal I felt was the transitional manager we were supposed to have immediately after Fergie instead of Moyes. I loved him as a character and still do but the football was turgid and I wasn't surprised when he got cut loose for Jose after the FA Cup final.
Ole was a pleasant surprise as interim but I never had real faith in him sticking around long term.
All in all, Ten Hag and Amorims failures stung the most.
Mourinho. I expected it to go sour but thought we would win at least a league title under him before it did.