Agree, but he had the best starting point which is why he’s my biggest disappointment.
Which Post-Fergie manager tenure disappointed you the most?
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There's been an increasing feeling with each one that we're pushing back our imminent return to the top even further. So in that sense each one hurt more than the last.
But I'd say probably Ten Hag. With him we realised that imminent return wasn't coming, and it felt like there was a sense of 'well what else is there?' We've tried the 'continuity' angle with a David 'cut from the same cloth' Moyes. We tried the experienced tactician in Van Gaal, the serial winner in Jose, the club legend in Ole, and now with Ten Hag (and Amorim) we've even tried the next managerial big thing. Hipster systems coaches, vibes managers, winners, PL proven, we'd had the lot and we were still no closer.
But I'd say probably Ten Hag. With him we realised that imminent return wasn't coming, and it felt like there was a sense of 'well what else is there?' We've tried the 'continuity' angle with a David 'cut from the same cloth' Moyes. We tried the experienced tactician in Van Gaal, the serial winner in Jose, the club legend in Ole, and now with Ten Hag (and Amorim) we've even tried the next managerial big thing. Hipster systems coaches, vibes managers, winners, PL proven, we'd had the lot and we were still no closer.
That’s on Moyes. Wasn’t he making bids for Fellaini and Baines? He wasted all summer on Fabregas and Thiago. Then whoever he sent for Herrera on the last day of the window. The issue with Moyes is that he needed to spend in his first window, but he assumed that because he’s got a 5 year contract he could assess the squad and just add Fellaini. He needed to rip up the spine that summer. We needed a CB as Vidic/Rio were near the end, top class CM and winger.
yer probably, the team was better than 7th but I also think they downed tools and weren’t fully behind him
Staff talking behind his back etc
Giving him fellaini as well was a pisstake haha
But I can certainly agree that he had the better starting point
Feels like you're sitting on the fence here.
It would have to be mourinho, followed by van gaal imo. The two best managers since ferguson.
My blood tension goes up when I think about the last year.
Probably LVG, though he might have been the best of the lot. But it was still at a time when we all thought we were still a force and just had a bad spell after a big transition.
I genuinely thought he would surely steady the ship, win some silverware, and promote a lot of youth — being a catalyst for future success, like he had been for Bayern a few years earlier.
I genuinely thought he would surely steady the ship, win some silverware, and promote a lot of youth — being a catalyst for future success, like he had been for Bayern a few years earlier.
My blood tension goes up when I think about the last year.
Hear hear. When I saw the news yesterday, I genuinely felt like a weight had lifted off my shoulders ffs
Not sure if I'm worst for letting it affect me or that fecking prick for tormenting our club for 14 months.
Amorim - I genuinely thought he would work the same magic shown at Sporting and transform the team.
The rest I never really had high hopes for, apart from maybe Solskjaer, but that was probably rose tinted spectacles. He was certainly the saddest to see go.
The rest I never really had high hopes for, apart from maybe Solskjaer, but that was probably rose tinted spectacles. He was certainly the saddest to see go.
Eth. Easily.
Didnt know much about him but he was talked up big. I thought klopp would leave Liverpool after a few years (he did) and city would slow down (they have) and it would be eth third year here and a great chance to win the league.
Instead he just annihilated our team and bombed us down the league table
Didnt know much about him but he was talked up big. I thought klopp would leave Liverpool after a few years (he did) and city would slow down (they have) and it would be eth third year here and a great chance to win the league.
Instead he just annihilated our team and bombed us down the league table
Ten Hag, especially after that Ajax CL run. Had such high hopes with the signing of Antony, also don't think I've ever been as invested in a single transfer as with Frenkie then after a decent first season we were fed Kane + Rice rumors, only to end up with Mount and Hojlund.
What could have been..
then after a decent first season we were fed Kane + Rice rumors, only to end up with Mount and Hojlund.What could have been..
What he did to the squad, even though surgery was required, was gbh basically. The state of that squad now, though miles ahead of what it was under him, is not in isolation.
Amorim, since he performed the worst by far. I expected a hell of a lot better.
Second this. It's Amorim for me and there's no contest. Didn't even come close to appearing competent, plunged us to new depths and just an all around immature and poor coach. ETH atleast had 2 trophies to his name and in his first season our home record was immense with 15 wins, 3 draws and only 1 loss. Amorim could only dream of having that kind of record.
In terms of results I can't look past Amorim.
We finished 15th (!!!) in the league and lost the EL final to fecking Spurs.
Absolutely diabolical.
We finished 15th (!!!) in the league and lost the EL final to fecking Spurs.
Absolutely diabolical.
In terms of reality vs expectations Mourinho or Moyes, had high hopes for both. Yes was one of the ones who thought Moyes might do well.
Had no expecations on Amorim at all. Didn't know who he was/never watched Sporting play when he was there. Was obviously a lot of talk when we were negotiationg to bring him in and I looked at videos talking about how he likes to play and was reading opinion on places like this but it's hard for me to anticipate much of anything when that's all it was. After beating Everton in his third game we went and won 2 out of 10 in all comps. One was that win against City to be fair, the other against the mighty Viktoria Plzen. Was thinking he was probably not going to work out by then, that he was a bit shit already and he never really recovered did he?
Didn't have that much more knowledge of Ten Hag either, only their big CL run but that was 3 years before he joined us. Was mostly a "lets see how it goes" thing with him too.
Had no expecations on Amorim at all. Didn't know who he was/never watched Sporting play when he was there. Was obviously a lot of talk when we were negotiationg to bring him in and I looked at videos talking about how he likes to play and was reading opinion on places like this but it's hard for me to anticipate much of anything when that's all it was. After beating Everton in his third game we went and won 2 out of 10 in all comps. One was that win against City to be fair, the other against the mighty Viktoria Plzen. Was thinking he was probably not going to work out by then, that he was a bit shit already and he never really recovered did he?
Didn't have that much more knowledge of Ten Hag either, only their big CL run but that was 3 years before he joined us. Was mostly a "lets see how it goes" thing with him too.
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I remember there were reports linking him with the Barca job when he was still at Ajax. There was a lot of debate on here and the reddevils subreddit between who we should get out of him and Poch, and I remember really wanting ETH and hoping Barca didn't get in first. I also thought he'd be a good appointment and be here for many years.
How wrong I was.
Still think Amorim was worse, though, as at least ETH did win a couple of trophies.
Amorim for sure as I thought he'd be great, the others I had reservations about from the start.
The thing that worried me from the off with Amorim that there was no new manager reaction from the players it was shite from the off and never recovered or got better.
The thing that worried me from the off with Amorim that there was no new manager reaction from the players it was shite from the off and never recovered or got better.
Amorim. The disgusting attitude of last season, while we plummeted down the table, almost as if he was untouchable and losing every week didn't matter. That really rankled with me. He would have been forgiven if all those losses had honed his shitty system, and we'd hit the ground running this campaign. But, no, it was more cowardly defensive football, pathetic performances against the likes of Grimsby, and just a stubbornness bordering on a 2 year old who's threatening to drink bleach unless he gets his own way.
He's the only manager I've actually wanted to be sacked since Fergie.
That's not to say that I was happy with any of the rest, but I didn't lay all the blame at their feet. We had some shit players, the Glazers, Woodward, etc. But Amorim's shitty results are all on him, as far as I'm concerned.
He's the only manager I've actually wanted to be sacked since Fergie.
That's not to say that I was happy with any of the rest, but I didn't lay all the blame at their feet. We had some shit players, the Glazers, Woodward, etc. But Amorim's shitty results are all on him, as far as I'm concerned.
Amorim was worse no doubt, I was just more disappointed and deflated with Eth had I genuinely had my hopes up stars were aligning for us to get back to the top of the table and win the league, instead we had to watch a different Dutch baldy win it for the scouse
Jose
ETH
Amorim
These 3 I would say disappointed the most as they all did well and should've had more support from the club.
LVG got backing with signings but decided not to pick Toni Kroos.... Which was an amazing fumble.
Moyes was never the calibre of person or manager that was going to succeed.
Ole was fine but the Ronaldo signing fecked him sideways as he couldn't play counter attacking football anymore.
Amorim one hurt the most as it came with false promise from INEOS of doing things properly only to not see it through and do exactly what the Glazers have done. Thrown their managers under the bus with no better alternative. Amorim got done over just like his mentor Jose.
ETH
Amorim
These 3 I would say disappointed the most as they all did well and should've had more support from the club.
LVG got backing with signings but decided not to pick Toni Kroos.... Which was an amazing fumble.
Moyes was never the calibre of person or manager that was going to succeed.
Ole was fine but the Ronaldo signing fecked him sideways as he couldn't play counter attacking football anymore.
Amorim one hurt the most as it came with false promise from INEOS of doing things properly only to not see it through and do exactly what the Glazers have done. Thrown their managers under the bus with no better alternative. Amorim got done over just like his mentor Jose.
I can’t look past Amorim’s reign.
Has to be Amorim.
Never felt like we were going take it home, even if he had the right players.
His Winrate percentage reflected it
Never felt like we were going take it home, even if he had the right players.
His Winrate percentage reflected it
Amorim for me, i generally believed in his way. i admired his brutal honestly and generally thought it would work. but then again I am a huge Jose fan and despite his fall in the end I would have loved Jose to stay, in a way Amorims stubboness reminded me of him.
Amorim probably is the most disappointing as he appeared a really promising manager, on the way up. I had hoped at one time that we might consider him at Newcastle. I'd say most of your other managers' failures could be foreseen, except perhaps Ten Hag, who also looked on an upward curve, but at least he won trophies. Both Mourinho and Van Gaal appeared somewhat past their respective peaks, though neither were disastrous, Moyes no history of success, Solskjaer was taking a huge step-up from Norwegian football and had failed at Cardiff. Rangnick was only interim and looked yesterday's man in any case. So has to be Amorin - felt like a coup when you got him.
I feel like ETH’s failure made me the most disappointed as I thought we’d be on the up with him after having romantic choices in Solskjaer and guys past their best in Jose and LVG.
That first home game of the season against Wolves in his second season was horrifically bad even though we won. It felt like a gut punch to the stomach and it was a foreshadowing for the rest of that season.
His stint has left me numb and dumbfounded as to what manager/head coach could get as title winners again, which is why Amorim doesn’t really disappoint me as much as it should.
That first home game of the season against Wolves in his second season was horrifically bad even though we won. It felt like a gut punch to the stomach and it was a foreshadowing for the rest of that season.
His stint has left me numb and dumbfounded as to what manager/head coach could get as title winners again, which is why Amorim doesn’t really disappoint me as much as it should.
Amorim, thought we would be a lot better
The lowest moments:
Moyes - Fulham 2-2
LVG - loss to West Ham that cost us UCL place
José - Didn't mind him, the club just got so toxic and it felt like he was past it. Had the best team with Pogba and Zlatan and his arrogance cost him.
Ole - The loss to Liverpool + loss to Watford were painful, always felt the players let him down though and the CR7 + Sancho signings. I think Ole got the most out of the worst team. Also that night in Paris was the best moment.
Rangnick - I don't even remember
ETH - 7-0 to Liverpool was a dark day, never fully trusted him after that and his tactics were suicidal with the one man midfield. Awful at choosing signings too. I feel like ETH really set us back.
Amorim - I think he bought some professionalism back but just no good as a coach. The loss to Grimsby was a low point but losing that UEL final to Tottenham was the worst I've felt since Moyes.
So Amorim for me, then Moyes and then ETH
Moyes - Fulham 2-2
LVG - loss to West Ham that cost us UCL place
José - Didn't mind him, the club just got so toxic and it felt like he was past it. Had the best team with Pogba and Zlatan and his arrogance cost him.
Ole - The loss to Liverpool + loss to Watford were painful, always felt the players let him down though and the CR7 + Sancho signings. I think Ole got the most out of the worst team. Also that night in Paris was the best moment.
Rangnick - I don't even remember
ETH - 7-0 to Liverpool was a dark day, never fully trusted him after that and his tactics were suicidal with the one man midfield. Awful at choosing signings too. I feel like ETH really set us back.
Amorim - I think he bought some professionalism back but just no good as a coach. The loss to Grimsby was a low point but losing that UEL final to Tottenham was the worst I've felt since Moyes.
So Amorim for me, then Moyes and then ETH
1. Mourinho - with his record and still limited decline, I thought he would at least win us a league title. I was also a bit of a fanboy. Objectively/statistically, he is our most succesful manager post SAF, but given my expectations he's number one.
2. Amorim - he's second because of just how bad he was. I'll admit I was optimistic when he was appointed, but he couldn't possibly have done much worse.
3. EtH - I had high hopes and bought into the hype. After a decent first season following the rough start, it all ended in shambles. Could swap him with Amorim, but at least he won a few trophies and was statistically much better.
4. LvG - a bit of a Mourinho light, but was clearly past it as a top, top manager. Legendary pre-season and all the hollywood signings made the actual outcome quite disappointing. Could have a case for 2nd and 3rd on another day.
5. Moyes - I always thought he was an underwhelming choice post SAF and didn't necessarily expect any trophies, but it was still devastating to watch crash and burn that quickly. Fortunately, it was over very quickly, but I feel the lack of proper transition has done a lot of lasting damage. The fact that it's been a while and that he was there for such a brief period probably makes him 5th. Otherwise, he would probably get a higher spot.
6. Ole - I never really had high hopes in him as a manager. I mean, just look at his record. However, we probably all got a bit disappointed in how things ended after a purple patch and finishing 2nd.
2. Amorim - he's second because of just how bad he was. I'll admit I was optimistic when he was appointed, but he couldn't possibly have done much worse.
3. EtH - I had high hopes and bought into the hype. After a decent first season following the rough start, it all ended in shambles. Could swap him with Amorim, but at least he won a few trophies and was statistically much better.
4. LvG - a bit of a Mourinho light, but was clearly past it as a top, top manager. Legendary pre-season and all the hollywood signings made the actual outcome quite disappointing. Could have a case for 2nd and 3rd on another day.
5. Moyes - I always thought he was an underwhelming choice post SAF and didn't necessarily expect any trophies, but it was still devastating to watch crash and burn that quickly. Fortunately, it was over very quickly, but I feel the lack of proper transition has done a lot of lasting damage. The fact that it's been a while and that he was there for such a brief period probably makes him 5th. Otherwise, he would probably get a higher spot.
6. Ole - I never really had high hopes in him as a manager. I mean, just look at his record. However, we probably all got a bit disappointed in how things ended after a purple patch and finishing 2nd.
It might be ETH for me. I think he was the best hire on paper out of the permanent managers we've had since SAF. Thought he had that combination of tactical ability and discipline, and he also had a lot of experience before joining, including some good showings in the Champions League. When he turned it around after the 4-0 loss to Brentford and made the 22/23 season somewhat successful, I thought he might be the real deal. In the end he did an insane amount of damage to the squad.
Moyes, probably. Not because I had particularly high hopes for him but I was not prepared for us to go from champions to seventh in one year. The sheer shock of it makes it the standout.
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I genuinely thought we were going somewhere with ETH after the first campaign. I just didn't expect that ' going somewhere ' would be rock bottom.
How on earth are people not all just writing Amorim? 15th place finish and then got himself sacked.
ETH at least had a proper car boot sale and bore the brunt of Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane etc. (oh and won stuff) he was just a dislikeable person.
ETH at least had a proper car boot sale and bore the brunt of Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane etc. (oh and won stuff) he was just a dislikeable person.
Amorim. Terrible results and performances throughout his tenure. It felt like rock bottom.
Amorim by far, especially as I was very enthusiastic about him joining. Though he was the perfect antidote to a drab Ten Hag.
But zero trophies, turgid football, lack of player development, falling out with players and broke a laundry list of negative records.
But zero trophies, turgid football, lack of player development, falling out with players and broke a laundry list of negative records.
Wasn't really enthusiastic with Ruben joining. ETH had alot more hype going his way.
From Sept 2022 to end of Feb 2023 was good under ETH. Started falling apart post the Liverpool thumping, just a week after the League Cup win.
He did get sacked the day after winning the FA Cup, and gave Rashford his debut (among others).
He laid a foundation for possession based football, we just went with a completely different style after sacking him
This. Ten Hag's tenure saw us waste the most money. The last straw was the contract extension to him just so we could owe him more money when we fired him. That's when I really knew the front office is pretty clueless.
Ole was the best IMO.