Which striker should we sign this summer?

croadyman said:
Fully on the train, however all noises seem to suggest senior board members on the Delap one
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I remember during Mourinho's first season when we were 6th and trying to win Europa to qualify for CL, he hinted something along the lines of we have two shopping lists, one for if we win Europa, and another if we don't.

My feeling is Delap is our budget option if we fail to qualify for CL and can't scrape the funds together for the big names. With CL qualification and sales I could see us making a play for Osimhen or Gyokeres.
 
Dominos said:
I remember during Mourinho's first season when we were 6th and trying to win Europa to qualify for CL, he hinted something along the lines of we have two shopping lists, one for if we win Europa, and another if we don't.

My feeling is Delap is our budget option if we fail to qualify for CL and can't scrape the funds together for the big names. With CL qualification and sales I could see us making a play for Osimhen or Gyokeres.
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I hope you are right about that, there is so much riding on this Europa League Semi Final
 
A lot of talk about both Delap and Osimhen. I see clear pros and cons with both players, but the upsides they have are undeniable. I think Osimhen is technically poor, and that includes actual shooting technique too. That said, he is a physical monster, he has tremendous work rate and is THE best centre forward in the air in world football. He will definitely score goals here, the question for me is whether he will score enough goals to compensate for the fact that I don’t think he will make our team better.

As for Delap, he’s still relatively inexperienced, but there’s a lot to like there. He’s physically great and has good hold up play. I think he has great shooting technique, from both feet, can carry the ball and is aggressive. I think he can become England’s next great centre forward, but it’s still a bit early to conclude just how much of a chance he has of becoming that player. But there’s definitely a chance. And he’ll be cheap.

If we get CL football I’d hope we sign both and get rid of Hojlund.
 
Rozay said:
A lot of talk about both Delap and Osimhen. I see clear pros and cons with both players, but the upsides they have are undeniable. I think Osimhen is technically poor, and that includes actual shooting technique too. That said, he is a physical monster, he has tremendous work rate and is THE best centre forward in the air in world football. He will definitely score goals here, the question for me is whether he will score enough goals to compensate for the fact that I don’t think he will make our team better.

As for Delap, he’s still relatively inexperienced, but there’s a lot to like there. He’s physically great and has good hold up play. I think he has great shooting technique, from both feet, can carry the ball and is aggressive. I think he can become England’s next great centre forward, but it’s still a bit early to conclude just how much of a chance he has of becoming that player. But there’s definitely a chance. And he’ll be cheap.

If we get CL football I’d hope we sign both and get rid of Hojlund.
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Yeah all I ask like I said yesterday is Utd keep an open mind on striker situation later in window
 
Amorim's post match comments against Lyon: 'We tried to put Harry Maguire up front because he is the only one who can score a goal with a header".

Go and get a striker who is a beast in the air, especially given that we put in quite a few crosses.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Amorim's post match comments against Lyon: 'We tried to put Harry Maguire up front because he is the only one who can score a goal with a header".

Go and get a striker who is a beast in the air, especially given that we put in quite a few crosses.
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Yeah we need that beast in the air which Osimhen fits the bill for absolutely perfectly
 
croadyman said:
Yeah we need that beast in the air which Osimhen fits the bill for absolutely perfectly
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And not only that. I've read people questioning his technique, but compared to our attackers, it's like night and day.
 
aeh1991 said:
And not only that. I've read people questioning his technique, but compared to our attackers, it's like night and day.
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Well it’s definitely night and day between Osimhen and Zirkzee. Zirkzee is far superior from a technical perspective.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah we need that beast in the air which Osimhen fits the bill for absolutely perfectly
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Until Amorim’s bright idea to put a left-footed winger at RWB comes along and undermines it. With a striker like Osimhen, you absolutely want a right-footed player on the right who will deliver early and consistently. Tbh it doesn’t really even need to be early with Osimhen, even if it’s just hung up there, he will invariably win it against a defender.
 
Rozay said:
Until Amorim’s bright idea to put a left-footed winger at RWB comes along and undermines it. With a striker like Osimhen, you absolutely want a right-footed player on the right who will deliver early and consistently. Tbh it doesn’t really even need to be early with Osimhen, even if it’s just hung up there, he will invariably win it against a defender.
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Who would be that right footed RWB?
 
croadyman said:
Wouldn't disagree but Osimhen is prolific
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That much is true. That said, it remains to be seen how it translates. If he cannot get a good volume of headed goals here, I don’t think he’s a fantastic finisher. He is often in the right place though and has a natural appetite for goals, and you don’t need to be a great finisher to tap them in in the six yard box, which is what we need I guess.

He’ll definitely get goals here. He’s like Haaland though, in that he won’t make us play better or make the attack better as a unit, so this sort of player ONLY justifies selection if the amount of goals are obscene.
 
croadyman said:
Who would be that right footed RWB?
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I’ve said a few times but if we are to persist with this system (which we will), then my first option would be to go and pay the buy-back clause for Elanga and put him RWB. I think he has the perfect profile for the role. He’s not skilful enough to be a lateral player IMO (unlike Hudson-Odoi perhaps), but he is athletically freakish enough to be a vertical one. He’s creates a good amount of chances and the sort of player to run up and down in a straight line with and without the ball.
 
Rozay said:
Well it’s definitely night and day between Osimhen and Zirkzee. Zirkzee is far superior from a technical perspective.
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Yea but his shooting technique isn't as bad as you described. He would score more than half of the chances that Hojlund missed this season and that alone would give him 15 goals at least.
 
aeh1991 said:
Yea but his shooting technique isn't as bad as you described. He would score more than half of the chances that Hojlund missed this season and that alone would give him 15 goals at least.
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It is. Hojlund doesn’t even miss chances, he’s just a total non-factor. He’ll outscore Hojlund not because he shoots much better than him, but because he’ll register so many more shots than him. He’ll get on the end of a lot in the box, but the goals are not going to be Van Persie-esque brilliant finishes as such.

I’m not saying he doesn’t know how to kick a ball, he can, but for a supposedly elite striker - he’s not going to have a montage like Persie or Kane, bending them, stroking them etc from all angles. He will get plenty of goals for us though, of that I’m confident.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
@Rozay, from a technical standpoint, how would you compare Haaland and Osimhen?
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All round, I would say Haaland is a little better. Haaland has significantly better shooting technique though, I would say. Osimhen is significantly better in the air.

In terms of profile, they are similar players though, but Osimhen isn’t as good.
 
Rozay said:
It is. Hojlund doesn’t even miss chances, he’s just a total non-factor. He’ll outscore Hojlund not because he shoots much better than him, but because he’ll register so many more shots than him. He’ll get on the end of a lot in the box, but the goals are not going to be Van Persie-esque brilliant finishes as such.

I’m not saying he doesn’t know how to kick a ball, he can, but for a supposedly elite striker - he’s not going to have a montage like Persie or Kane, bending them, stroking them etc from all angles. He will get plenty of goals for us though, of that I’m confident.
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Basically he's a donkey?
 
Rozay said:
It is. Hojlund doesn’t even miss chances, he’s just a total non-factor. He’ll outscore Hojlund not because he shoots much better than him, but because he’ll register so many more shots than him. He’ll get on the end of a lot in the box, but the goals are not going to be Van Persie-esque brilliant finishes as such.

I’m not saying he doesn’t know how to kick a ball, he can, but for a supposedly elite striker - he’s not going to have a montage like Persie or Kane, bending them, stroking them etc from all angles. He will get plenty of goals for us though, of that I’m confident.
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To be fair I'm not sure we're in a position to be worried too much about aesthetics. We need somebody who is efficient and can make the most of what is given to them, because I'm not convinced we're suddenly going to start playing beautiful football next season with 3 or 4 new signings added to the starting eleven. Particularly given the way we've set up so far under this manager.
 
Spoony said:
Basically he's a donkey?
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If you hold him up under a certain lighting, perhaps, but in another one - he’s a lethal scorer. There have been many effective top strikers who don’t excite purist like me. A player like Drogba fits that bill for me, I never rated him as highly as some others did.

Anyway, with Osimhen, you will get goals (although they are not as guaranteed in the PL as a player with more talent I suspect) and you will get incredible work rate. Just don’t expect a Kane, Persie or even an Isak. I’d say he’s like Lukaku but with far greater mobility and work rate. He’s got great pace and presses hard from the front. But technically, they are similar. Lukaku has scored a lot of goals in Italy too, and he’d score loads at Galatasaray. He’s scored a good number in the PL too, but he’s not good enough to be a guaranteed 25 goal striker, although he has enough to be capable of being one.
 
Rozay said:
If you hold him up under a certain lighting, perhaps, but in another one - he’s a lethal scorer. There have been many effective top strikers who don’t excite purist like me. A player like Drogba fits that bill for me, I never rated him as highly as some others did.

Anyway, with Osimhen, you will get goals (although they are not as guaranteed in the PL as a player with more talent I suspect) and you will get incredible work rate. Just don’t expect a Kane, Persie or even an Isak. I’d say he’s like Lukaku but with far greater mobility and work rate. He’s got great pace and presses hard from the front. But technically, they are similar. Lukaku has scored a lot of goals in Italy too, and he’d score loads at Galatasaray. He’s scored a good number in the PL too, but he’s not good enough to be a guaranteed 25 goal striker, although he has enough to be capable of being one.
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About Osimhen..
 
Buy two strikers and try and sell Rasmus.
Delap + Mateta would be great options
 
If we can pull of Osihmen aswell as Cunha then we automatically become a top 5 team. Our firepower will be very good. With Amad aswell
 
Gyorkeres.
Oshimen.
Delap.
Mateta.
Stevie wonder.

Any of them have been better than Hojilund.

I like Hojilund but he’s been woeful.
 
For me, getting Jonathan David out of contract should be a no-brainer, similar to Guirassy last year. We currently have no established strikers, but David has shown the following for 5 years in Lille:
  1. He has played almost every single game. In his worst season he only missed 4 league games
  2. He has been a consistent goal scorer, with 13 league goals in his worst season. In the last 3 seasons, he has averaged over 0,5 goals per game
  3. For people saying that Ligue 1 is a farmers league, David scored 7 goals in 10 Champions League matches this season, and scored against all the best teams they played. This includes non-penalty goals against Real, Atletico, Juventus, Liverpool and Dortmund.
If we sell Højlund and use Zirkzee as a number 10, we would need another addition up top, which would be Delap for me. It is always difficult to predoct wether young strikers are going to be successful in the long run, but Delap have shown mentality and physicality in the Prem and that isn’t going to dissappear overnight. Even if he should turn out to be a Højlund-style disapointment in terms of goals, I think he would would bring a lot to the team in other areas.

Almost all our big-money signs have turned out shite and left the club with terrible financial losses. With David and Delap, we would probably be able to get our money back and reinvest if they arent successful. Yes we could bring in Oshimen or Gyökeres, but each of them would cost twice as mich as Delap and David put together, they are probably as likely to succed as the cheaper options, and the loss if they fail would be higher.
 
Wallez said:
For me, getting Jonathan David out of contract should be a no-brainer, similar to Guirassy last year. We currently have no established strikers, but David has shown the following for 5 years in Lille:
  1. He has played almost every single game. In his worst season he only missed 4 league games
  2. He has been a consistent goal scorer, with 13 league goals in his worst season. In the last 3 seasons, he has averaged over 0,5 goals per game
  3. For people saying that Ligue 1 is a farmers league, David scored 7 goals in 10 Champions League matches this season, and scored against all the best teams they played. This includes non-penalty goals against Real, Atletico, Juventus, Liverpool and Dortmund.
If we sell Højlund and use Zirkzee as a number 10, we would need another addition up top, which would be Delap for me. It is always difficult to predoct wether young strikers are going to be successful in the long run, but Delap have shown mentality and physicality in the Prem and that isn’t going to dissappear overnight. Even if he should turn out to be a Højlund-style disapointment in terms of goals, I think he would would bring a lot to the team in other areas.

Almost all our big-money signs have turned out shite and left the club with terrible financial losses. With David and Delap, we would probably be able to get our money back and reinvest if they arent successful. Yes we could bring in Oshimen or Gyökeres, but each of them would cost twice as mich as Delap and David put together, they are probably as likely to succed as the cheaper options, and the loss if they fail would be higher.
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Yeah makes so much sense on a free, however there must be reason for lack of interest
 
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