Not even in the same galaxy
Who’s your money on being the bigger success in the PL: Wirtz or Cherki?
- Thread starter Fortitude
- Start date
-
In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
To be fair to both, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Cherki has definitely started better (you couldn't have started much worse than Wirtz has), but it's still not even half a season.
Pep is a better manager than Slot and City are more established 'success-mongers' than Liverpool in recent years, so that probably helps Cherki. Or he could just be a better player than Wirtz, and the vast gap in cost will become more and more bizarre as time goes on. But I'd personally like to see where both are after a season or two.
For sure, but to date it’s been horribly lopsided.
My prediction was that they'd both flop, but Cherki would have a higher G/A per 90. Think it's fair to say now that Cherki is by far the superior player. The fact that he was almost 100m cheaper than Wirtz is a joke.
massive, massive gulf between these two
Cherki was always the better player.
I wouldn't exactly say either has been a brilliant success of a signing, but Wirtz has been near catastrophic, so Cherki is a clear winner this season, without doing too much himself.
Best volume big chance creator in the prem hasn't been a brilliant success. Interesting stuff.
Well yes. The words 'brilliant success' imply something more than Cherki has been. He's been better than Wirtz, but that's not saying much. He's also seemingly not a nailed on starter under Pep.
I would say he's made a very promising start to his City career, but there's so much more to accomplish. Can he be the main creative driving force in a dominant team that wins the major prizes (PL and CL)? That should be the goal for someone like him. Of course a lot of the team around him is young and/or new to the league as well, so they will have to grow together into a great team.
Last edited:
Pep is an idiot for his team selection and has paid the price deeply over the last stretch of 10 games. Cherki's been City's most consistent offensive player by a mile and would have double the assists if Haaland didn't turn into a BCM machine the past three months.
He's the best creative player in the world ability wise so the answer to both your questions would be yes.
I disagree. Pep has won like 40 trophies, so I think he knows to a degree what he is doing. After all he didn't think that a 22 year old Lionel Messi was worth only 14 league starts, and I'm pretty sure he was a more creative player than Rayan.
I've watched Cherki all season, and there has been a lot of good, but also some bad and indifferent. At his best, he is very good.
I disagree with that also, I think Lamine Yamal is. As for my questions, we will have to wait and see. He's a player I like watching, so it will be interesting to see his development.
I swear Cherki is a good player, but I'm convinced you're his cousin or something. I would like to see all those he put on a plate for Haaland that he missed, cause I'm pretty sure you're simply making stuff up
Bruno is the better creative player by quite some distance.
He’s not even the best creative player in Manchester brother.
You are more than welcome
He isn't. Cherki has higher BCC/90 and doesn't rely nearly as much on set pieces to produce them. He's a way better passer and creator than Bruno in the final third on top of being an infinitely better ball carrier.
Cherkis been a good 7/10 signing, possibly even 8/10, but putting him in the same ballpark as Bruno is ridiculous.
Or to suggest that he is the biggest creative talent there is. He isn’t even the biggest creative talent in his national team. He might not even be in the top 3.
I see you're trying to sneak in ball carrying ability when we're talking about chance creation. If we're doing that, Bruno is a better finisher than Cherki. Not that it's relevant to chance creation.
Also, I'm not sure why you feel the need to downplay set piece delivery, as if it's far inferior to all open play passes. If Cherki was half as good at whipping in a cross from a corner or a free kick as Bruno is, then he'd be on set piece duty for City, rather than letting Bernardo Silva take them.
According to Stat Muse, Fernandes has a higher BCC/90 this season than Cherki, and so do 5 other players in the top leagues (Olise, Dimarco, Lopez, Yamal and Ryerson).
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/most-big-chances-created-per-90-in-top-5-leagues
Cherki looks class
Suggests he's right where he should be. He's not exactly putting on guilt edged chances there. As for the video, half those aren't great chances. Some are goals and some are like preassists. The one for Haaland is the only guilt edged chance missed.Great player mind. If he played the minutes Bruno has chances are he'd be around the 14-16 assists too but the idea he should have 16 assists in 1450 minutes is just stupid. It's expecting people to bury every 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 chance he creates.
Using that logic KDB would have 45 assists a season in his prime.
Last edited:
Yeah I think Cherki is a very good player and he's a delight to watch, but that poster's need for hyperbole is strange, to say the least.
Absolutely no one in France would agree with you but I'd like to hear those three names so I can have a laugh.
By the way Cherki and Olise played together in the youth NTs so we know for a fact who the better creator is and spoiler he certainly doesn't play for Bayern (padding stats in the Bundesliga where Sancho was hitting close to 20 assists regularily won't change that)
Ball carrying can lead to and is part of chance creation in some cases. Finishing has nothing to do with creating for others.
How about chances created in the Champions League?
How's Olise doing compared to Cherki there?
I'll wait....
And just for clarity, I'm asking this as surely this takes away the whole stat padding 'league' nonsense
You'd have thought he'd be well clear of Bruno's numbers then, considering how elite his ball carrying is, which (according to you) should lead to more chances created.
This will turn around by next year with Wirtz a key player players consistently under a good coach and Cherki turning into what Marmoush is now.
Wirtz £100m or Cherki £34m
I can't speak on what they were like in the youth NTs in France, but I'm not sure that has relevance to today, as players develop differently. Right now, Olise is ahead of Cherki.
Cherki is obviously the better deal, and looks the better player, and there’s no denying he’s absolutely outrageously gifted technically.
But I suspect he’s just a thicko. That’s why he doesn’t always start. Pep lost his mind at him when he started juggling in the Carabao final, then he put Ekitike’s shirt on whilst on the bench and had to be told not to. Both funny, but also quite stupid.
But I suspect he’s just a thicko. That’s why he doesn’t always start. Pep lost his mind at him when he started juggling in the Carabao final, then he put Ekitike’s shirt on whilst on the bench and had to be told not to. Both funny, but also quite stupid.
Cherki is an absolute fecking genius. What a fecking player. There’s no competition anymore based on this season.
Adrian Durham on talksport was calling for Cherki to be given player of the season awards.