Who else is excited about next season's defence?

Red_toad

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2010
Messages
7,433
Location
DownUnder
Agreed.

AWB looks so much better than Shaw, that’s the level we should aim for. He’s the weak link in that back 4.

Assuming Maguire and AWB settle in, we’ve got the strongest defence we’ve had since Ferguson left.
I'd say we'll have more issues with lack of pace if Maguire and Lindleof are going to be the starting duo. Shaw is fine as a defender, makes the odd mistake but so do others and it's just brushed off as they're fan favourites.
 

Carl S Bridge

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 27, 2017
Messages
70
I'd say we'll have more issues with lack of pace if Maguire and Lindleof are going to be the starting duo. Shaw is fine as a defender, makes the odd mistake but so do others and it's just brushed off as they're fan favourites.
Shaw was double player of the year last year and all of a sudden he's the weak link.
 

Ødegaard

formerly MrEriksen
Scout
Joined
Feb 23, 2011
Messages
10,106
Location
Norway
We're getting close to a first eleven i would be happy with, if the Dybala rumors end up in a transfer.

Martial - Dybala - Rashford
Pogba -

Shaw - Maguire - Lindelöf - AWB
De Gea

I think McTominay might prove to be good enough for the spot beside Pogba.
Out of those my worries are in Martial's work-rate, Rashford's technical ability (and willingness to pass to a open team-mate), Shaw's injury history and Lindelöf being "ok" rather than good in my eyes.
Meaning if we do end up signing Sancho, a proper DM and backup for Shaw next summer window then I'll hopefully be content with quality in the first team as well as the talents we have in attack being given chances. It would be the first time since Ronaldo's years where I would feel like we have a first eleven that has a set standard in every position.
(not saying it would be better than some of our title-winning squads post Ronaldo, before someone jumps down my throat)
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
4,985
Apart from AWB none of them are world class but it's a good defence.
 

SAFMUTD

Full Member
Joined
Mar 14, 2018
Messages
1,813
We should be rock solid in the back now, it will mostly depend on whether Maguire can show the leadership that we lacked last season and if we will have DDG or his last year impresionist at goal.

I would’ve liked more offensive fullbacks to provide with to the team, but defensively AWB is as good as it gets and Shaw is pretty solid to.

We should be much better than last season.
 

The Boy

Full Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2014
Messages
890
Supports
Brighton and Hove Albion
Don’t understand the sudden downer on Luke Shaw, Lindelof aside you’ve got next seasons england defence. It’s a massive mark up for you between them Maguire and awb will save a fair few points and Luke Shaw was last years player of the season for you!
 

wolvored

Full Member
Joined
Jul 6, 2016
Messages
4,859
I think its a decent defence Shaw -7 Lindelof - 7 Maguire -8.5 Wan - 9 out of 10. Hopefully De Gea will resort to his form prior to last season. Maguire can put the ball in the net as well so a small increase in goals spread around.
 

m1tch

Full Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2010
Messages
6,469
It's looking like a good defence on paper, very attack minded. So let's hope we have a better option than having that statue of Matic to lineup in front of them.
 

Eckers99

Michael Corleone says hello
Joined
Aug 9, 2014
Messages
3,590
Don’t understand the sudden downer on Luke Shaw, Lindelof aside you’ve got next seasons england defence. It’s a massive mark up for you between them Maguire and awb will save a fair few points and Luke Shaw was last years player of the season for you!
It's less a downer on Luke Shaw, who had a good - not great - season but more a reflection of the extra quality around him. And I reckon Shaw can still improve plenty, especially going forward.
 

Infestissumam

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2017
Messages
907
Location
Austria
no more De Gea hoofing the ball towards Lukaku or Fellaini, but actually playing out of the back with ball-playing CBs. What kind of sorcery is this?!

can't wait to see it all in action.
 

Pavl3n

Full Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2015
Messages
1,000
I really don't get why Shaw is getting so much stick. He's been solid throughout the entire season. He's chipped in with a couple of assists and has been good going forward. Totally shut out Messi in the game at Old Trafford.
Back four is looking solid. I think top 4 should be the bare minimum and next summer we should sort out the RW (thinking Sancho).
 

criticalanalysis

Full Member
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Messages
2,157
The number of English defenders we have is insane.

Jones, Smalling, Shaw, AWB, Maguire, Young and Tzuanabe.

Damn actually we could field a pretty decent all English team:

Henderson

AWB Maguire Tzuanabe Shaw

Young Jones Lingard

Gomes Rashford Greenwood
 

AFC NimbleThumb

Full Member
Joined
Apr 21, 2019
Messages
1,248
Verdict still out for me on Shaw & Lindelof.

Shaw - Still very injury-prone & I just don’t see what he does particularly well. Defensively he made some howlers last season & offensively he’s anonymous.

Lindelof - I’m just never impressed with the guy; he’s a typical front runner type. Points the finger and looks the part when things are going well but gets turned or outmuscled then suddenly his heads gone.

Maguire needs to seriously stand out as AWB already looks the part.
 

ManchesterYoda

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2016
Messages
578
Why do so many posters keep putting Maguire at RCB and Lindelof at LCB? Makes zero sense. Lindelof is much better playing RCB and Maguire is the one that plays LCB.
 

Annihilate Now!

...or later, I'm not fussy
Scout
Joined
Nov 4, 2010
Messages
36,242
Location
W.Yorks
AWB yes... Shaw I'm pretty happy with whilst accepting he's not a world beater. Centre backs... Meh. I've never been impressed with Maguire whenever I see him for England, Lindelof is good but not great (he's weak in the air and he often infuriates me on the ball)... And we know what we get with Smalling (solid defending until he has a mare of the game) and Jones (see Smalling but less solid and more injuries)

Happy to be proven wrong though
 

cyril C

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2017
Messages
1,228
I won't be surprised to see Smalling end up at Newcastle by the time the transfer dealings are done. Either him or Tuanzebe as a part of a swap plus cash deal for Longstaff...but our first 4 defense looks as solid as anyones with Maguire and AWB coming in...

I have seen consistent and persistent abuse on Smalling, who for a few seasons unfortunately has been our ONLY consistent CB. When we have Rojo and Darmian warming the bench and never play even when fit, Jones being fit every 3 months for 2 months, and Bailey - OK leave him alone for the time being. Smalling is our LEAST problem and we definitely need him as 3rd choice CB, unless you think the club will spend another 60m for a backup CB....
 

Marcus

Full Member
Joined
Oct 3, 1999
Messages
3,666
Finally! This is a base upon which to build a title winning team! Woo hoo! Erm not excited at all.
 

minh_loc_xoay

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Apr 26, 2019
Messages
244
Shaw -- Lindelof --- Maguire --- Awb
De Gea

This thread might backfire on me, but honestly I am really excited to see how this defence functions. If our full backs can increase their offensive output, we should have a fluid buildup from the back next season. I feel optimistic right now.
The moment one of them gets injured, we are immediately back to a disjointed defence...
 

SCJY

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Apr 24, 2017
Messages
192
Don't understand the stick Shaw gets at all either, because last season he was the only performant fullback. I believe with a more balanced defence like we have now, he could further shine. Jury is still out on him, so he needs at least this season before a full assessment can be made on him.

Personally, I'm very happy with him and can't wait to see him part of our new look defence next season.
 

Solius

Bearded Scholes admirer
Staff
Joined
Dec 31, 2007
Messages
62,035
Location
Toronto
Well I'm excited. AWB and Maguire are solid signings. I'm happy with all four positions in the back line with probably Shaw now being the weakest.
 

Greck

Full Member
Joined
Dec 1, 2016
Messages
3,418
Shaw went from our POTY to our weakest starting 11 defender



Levels.
Yeah Shaw doesn't deserve this stick. In fact he may be the best ballplaying defender in that back 4. We just take for granted his ball carrying and passing. AWB may be a better tackler but he's got nothing on Shaw's on ball ability
 

hobbers

Full Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2013
Messages
8,060
AWB - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw Not half bad on paper at least.

Shaw's fitness is the weak link. And not really having good cover there. Young isn't good enough on either side now. Dalot is better as a winger. Smalling and Tuanzebe are at least good cover for CB.
 

Fer

Full Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2014
Messages
2,776
I may be wrong but it looks a bit slow the partnership Lindelof-Maguire.

IMO we overpaid for Maguire but at least we have a new defender. I hope he does well.

Are you more excited with Maguire compared when we signed Bailly?
 

Pavl3n

Full Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2015
Messages
1,000
Yeah Victor and Harry are slow, but I think Tuanzebe will develop well and could become a good partner for Maguire.
Also Smalling could form a good partnership with Maguire, too. Smalling's good at defending and defending only, while Maguire could add what Mike's missing.

I think we will be definitely more solid. And AWB brings great balance to the entire defense.

If Matic is restricted to only PL action, then he'll have the legs to be at his best and I think he still has a lot to offer. Looking forward to it.
 

SadlerMUFC

Full Member
Joined
Dec 7, 2017
Messages
2,424
Location
Niagara Falls, Canada
I have seen consistent and persistent abuse on Smalling, who for a few seasons unfortunately has been our ONLY consistent CB. When we have Rojo and Darmian warming the bench and never play even when fit, Jones being fit every 3 months for 2 months, and Bailey - OK leave him alone for the time being. Smalling is our LEAST problem and we definitely need him as 3rd choice CB, unless you think the club will spend another 60m for a backup CB....
My post was in no way a slight to Smalling. I just see him as the one to make way. Jones just signed a new deal and Smalling is the one with some value that a club like Newcastle might want. Sometimes you have to give up a player to get a player, and if we really want Longstaff I can see him as part of the deal seeing as he just went from a starting position to a squad player...
 

Wednesday at Stoke

Full Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2014
Messages
15,332
Location
København
Supports
Time Travel
Shaw needs replacing and that defense.will.srill have a challenging time with Matic and his walker ahead of them.
 

UpWithRivers

Full Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2013
Messages
1,093
People are nuts. Shaw player of the year sht. AWB couple of friendlies...best player ever! Get rid of Shaw! Common. Its ridiculous.
I like our defense. I pray they all stay fit and we play the same 4/5 for 90 percent of games.
 

WR10

Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018
Joined
Jul 19, 2009
Messages
4,858
Location
Dream
I honestly can’t wait to just watch Lindelof. He has transformed into a rolls Royce of a defender for us. So enjoyable to watch these days
 

roonster09

Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018
Scout
Joined
May 10, 2009
Messages
21,713
I have high hopes on the defense this season. Maguire is very good ball playing CB and also plays as LCB. Lindelof is very good when he plays as RCB. Then we have AWB who looks very good addition.
 

Freak

Born a freak always a freak.
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
18,897
Location
Somewhere in your mind, touching a nerve
Shaw -- Lindelof --- Maguire --- Awb
De Gea

This thread might backfire on me, but honestly I am really excited to see how this defence functions. If our full backs can increase their offensive output, we should have a fluid buildup from the back next season. I feel optimistic right now.
Maguire will be the left center back and Lindelof the right center back. But yes, it is very exciting to finally see some proper defenders in our back 4. Add to that Tuanzebe will be able to come in as well.
 

Maciek

Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Messages
11,561
Location
Włocławek, Poland
Shaw - Lindelof - Maguire - Wan Bissaka

It looks promising and we can settle our defence for years, but... our bench isn't that good and when you realise how much injuries we usually have during the season... I'm not that calm, I must admit.
 

Globule

signature/tagline creator extraordinaire
Joined
Sep 1, 2013
Messages
3,721
Shaw and Lindelof were arguably our two most consistent performers last year. Now we look at that back 4 and they're the ones that look like the weaker links (on paper. AWB and Maguire need to prove it out on the pitch first).

That's a good thing though. That's how transfers and squad building should work.
 

JK-27

Full Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2017
Messages
868
Very excited. Looks a very good defence although I think the jury is still out on Shaw.
But the jury is in on AWB and he's fine, considering to date he's played 1 Prem season at Palace and that's it? AWB is at the same stage as when Shaw left Southampton to join us, a very promising talent. Time will tell whether he can handle the step up.
 

-Supreme-

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Feb 2, 2018
Messages
671
The only area that concerns me with the defence is the strength in depth in the FB positions