Who in your opinion is the Greatest player of all time

Who is the greatest footballer of all-time?


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This is a worldwide poll from 2011. Probably voted on by a lot of people who never saw Best play. His premier period was 60 years ago. It's the same thing with Pele.

More in keeping with the thread is the various lists online that rank the greatest footballers of all time. Here's the one from Four Four Two. Best is ranked 11th.

Where is Ryan Giggs?

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-100-best-football-players-of-all-time/9

The Athletic just came out with their top 100 in that huge book. Best is 15th. I believe that Giggs is number 62.

However, this is not about Giggs v Best, but rather whether Best merits inclusion on the poll list. I think he does due to the fact that many who
watched him play say that he is the greatest player they ever saw. I don't think many people say that about Ryan Giggs, great as he was.

I'd also advocate for Garrincha to be included for similar reasons, but I guess the list is long enough now......
 
He is one of my favorite players ever, but I also think he gets placed higher than he deserves.

I have the same viewpoint with Zidane too.

My main issue its that with him it's not a question of longevity, in some aspects he just wasn't as good as some of the best from that upper echelon.

And also I defend that he didn't had such a short period where he was great or a short carreer, he was fantastic for quite a number of years. His period oler in Atletico Mineiro was great and even lovely on every sense.

I don't get either why many on the other side of the coin don't rate Neymar as more or less the same caliber of player and takes that almost as an insult.
 
Messi is fantastic, but I would love to see what Maradona would do on modern day pitches with the protection attacking players get these days. He'd cause carnage.
The thing about the comparison between the two is more to do with Messi's teammates, for me. Yes, Maradona had to deal with bad pitches and violence of a level that you don't see today. But the flipside is the level of professionalism doesn't allow today's players to be top tier whilst also being cocaine addicts.

But Messi played with so many other geniuses and phenoms. He played with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Henry, Ronaldinho, Mbappe, Neymar, Suarez, Ibra, Eto'o etc. etc. Football is easier when you have great teammates.

Even by the standards of the pre-superclub, pre-Bosman era, Maradona had precious little help in that regard. The Napoli team that he won with went up against star laden Milan and Juventus teams. The most talented guys he had on his side were maybe Careca and then a young Zola at the end.

At Barca, his best teammate was Schuster - quality player, but by no means an all timer.

And of course for Argentina, he had precious little elite help as well, in 86 and 90. I'd say Messi also did a lot without all time great teammates in this recent Argentina run, but I don't put any of those performances on the same level as Diego's in the WC.

So when people talk about how many more trophies Messi has won, it needs contextualising.
 
However, this is not about Giggs v Best, but rather whether Best merits inclusion on the poll list. I think he does due to the fact that many who
watched him play say that he is the greatest player they ever saw. I don't think many people say that about Ryan Giggs, great as he was.
From 1965 to 1971, Best was the greatest player that I saw play, and I saw him regularly. YT highlights are fine, but in those days, the cameras were not at Old Trafford every week. A lot of what he did wasn't recorded. Same goes for Charlton and Law. For my money, Law was one of the greatest players of the last century and Bobby Charlton, right up to 1973, had the lot.
 
Pele himself rates Best as better
Pelé would say different things at different times, to be fair. Not the most reliable narrator, so to speak.

Once, he included Giovanni Trapattoni (a defensive midfielder with a pretty good but not excellent career) in his shortlist of greatest footballers.
Otra pregunta difícil. Habrá más de 10 solo en mi época. Dejaré algunos para responder a tu pregunta (risas). Diego (Maradona), Alfredo (Di Stéfano), Trapatoni, Garrincha, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Alberto … Zidane…Ronaldo… Iniesta… Hoy tenemos suerte. Cristiano es genial. Messi es increíble. El futuro parece brillante para Mbappé.
Here he reckons Garrincha was pretty much numero uno (or numero uno adjacent)...
I never played with or against anyone better than Garrincha. On the pitch we were team-mates. Off the pitch we were brothers.
Here he's of the opinion that Di Stéfano was the best...
People argue between Pele or Maradona. Di Stefano is the best, much more complete.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221229-pele-who-said-what

For the most part, he thought he himself was the best; not Messi, not Maradona, not Best, not Di Stéfano, not Garrincha, not Cristiano — but Pelé! And to be fair to him, he arguably was the best and greatest.
Best not among the choices. Disgraceful. Personally I would not have put this poll up with just limited choice
Puskás as well. Done dirty in the poll.
 
C Ronaldo for me.

Not the most technical player :

But I just love his mentality.

Went to all the hardest leagues in his career and succeeded with them all. Being the all time goalscorer and assist maker in the CL. Euro win for Portugal who were never really one of the best national teams that have won world cups etc as International football is highly reliant on things like Population and the progression of football in that country.

He never won a CL whilst being a player that was sitting on the bench. He was the main player on the team every time he won a CL.

He played with managers of different styles, SAF, Mourinho, Zidane, Ancelotti.

I just know I can pick him and put him in to any League in the world, play under any manager in the world and he will most likely succeed.

I really value that.

He is like a better version of Ibrahimovic who actually has the ability to win CL's and titles wherever he goes and not just goals.

Also he has had a very clean career in comparison to some other greats. No Hands of gods, no bribery and no drugs / performance enhancements. His growth as a very weak technical player to a stronger more physical player was beautiful to watch. Its the kind of persona that made me realise that the reason I was obese was not because I had bad genetics but because I was lazy and unwilling to change my bad habits.

I'm not someone who values technical ability as the gold standard of football, I've seen way too many technical players failures whilst playing for different managers that don't suit their tactics and different leagues that don't suit the way they play.
 
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An interesting though experiment, that. Accolades like the Ballon D'Or would have been more well-distributed, for one. Probably with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Suárez, Neymar, Ribéry, Lewandowski and Griezmann, among others, each winning at least one of 'em. The European Cup might have been more tightly-contested too, with Barcelona and Real Madrid having a looser grip on the competition (e.g., we might have won it in 2008—09, or would Cristiano's absense completely jeopardize our chances?) On a side note, Manuel Neuer should be mentioned more often in these discussions. Defensive players in general, and particularly goalkeepers, are considered mundane and overlooked even though great ones have a considerable impact, and no one made a more transcendental impact from the position than Neuer. He would have definitely won a Ballon D'Or, or even two, in the absense of Messi and Cristiano. Even as it is, he should be in the conversation for a Top 20 ranking, followed by Buffon and Yashin, as well as Top 4 for Germany; his body of work is just so intricate and well-rounded, aside from him being the veritable prototype and modern-day exemplar for his position.

I think it's a bit pointless to include goal keepers in this conversation because they are essentially playing a different sport. As for the rest, it's less about Ballon D'Ors for me. Players such as Neymar or Hazard for instance lacked a bit of discipline and that was twice as apparent because they were inevitably compared with Messi and Cristiano. But in terms of talent, they were outrageous and many others in these kind of lists didn't have the most consistent careers either. Neymar in particular was absolutely unplayable in his prime. Without the two top dogs, we probably would be looking at a 5-10 years period of being the undisputedly best player on the planet.
 
Deep down, everyone knows it's Messi. Those who say Ronaldo or any other player are, most of the time, just trying to sound different from everyone else, trying to keep the conversation going, or, in the case of some Ronaldo fans, simply being dishonest.
 
I don't think Ronaldinho or even R9 it's just a matter of having longer carreers. In fact normally all the mentioned had enough carreer to be among the besacción.

At times I think people are a tad too much invested on the flamboyant side of the game, even in plays where the skill as great as it might look (others not even that), might hinder a lesser ability to resolve in a sharper, better way a certain action. This is quite evident also with players greatly gifted like Okocha, Djalminha etc.
Exactly. If you want to win drop the shoulder, beat your marker and set up or score. If you can't do that waste time with a trick eg elastico but the opposition organises and it is harder to set up or score. There is a tendancy to overate flicks and tricks which while great to watch might not be as effective as a quick direct dribble.
He was already past his peak. Still scored 4 (no pens), assisted 6, won every match including world champions (1-0 to England), Copa America champions (3-1 to Uruguay) and Euro Cup champions (4-1 to Italy).

So for reference, a better individual run than probably anyone else bar Maradona.
Stats..i watched the matches. Underwhelming
 
in what aspect of the game was he better than prime Messi? Beating his marker? Creating chances? Finishing? Freekicks?
Nope, nope, nope and nope. He was an entertainer but that doesn't mean he was better.

Messi will score a few more goals than Zici? You are grossly underating Messi who is far superior. Messi played a different game in his prime.

Re Messi vs Maradona, Messi did not perform rabonas, pirouettes and keepy ups but he beat his opponent more effectively and that is what matters. There is no serious aspect of the game that Maradona was better at; Messi is a better goalscorer/finisher.

Greatness is achieved by dominating competition while amassing trophies and accolades over a career. No one can argue with Messi’s dominance and sustained level of performance.

Best for me is the ability to reach the highest level of performance, to do things the human mind couldn’t fathom. Many of the Bests self destruct early because they lose interest in a sport that offers no challenge, or had a potentially great career cut short by unfortunate events.

O’Sullivan managed to come back from self destruction, making him the Greatest and the Best. Senna was the Best by far, but possibly not the Greatest.

In short, what I am trying to say is, in my opinion, peak Ronaldinho was better than peak Messi.
 
Same here.. obviously not a sample of his entire career, but would not use that WC as a showcase for him being the best ever.
Pele was past his best in 1970

It was a swansong end to his WC career.

He was better in the 1958 world cup than 1970. That was a glimpse of him at his best before he ascended during 1960-65.
 
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Messi in my lifetime has been undoubtedly the greatest ever. The only black mark against him is the three leagues he's played in though, would have loved to see him pull out those stats in English football. We'd already experienced Ronaldo and then he went and teared up LA Liga. Even Rashford went up a level in that league.
 
In my opinion, which is influenced by the draft forum perspective of judging players on 3 year peaks, there is a 5 way tie for 1st between Alfredo Di Stefano, Diego Maradona, Lionel Messi, Pele and R9 Ronaldo so given the poll made me choose one I can see 2 possible metrics that elevate one of those five above the others with those being more positional versatility for Di Stefano and proven ability with less good teammates for Maradona but I ended up voting for Di Stefano anyway because he showed some indication of being able to do well with less good teammates during his time in Colombia with Millonarios (although he did have 2 top class teammates in Nestor Rossi and Adolfo Pedernera).
 
Maradona shades it for me over Messi from the players I saw. Talent and technique their strengths balance out but Maradona was better physically, despite likely being a coke fiend and pisshead his entire career. Messi needed HGH treatment to get to where he was and I don’t think he would have been anywhere near them heights, or physical enough, to survive what Maradona did. Messi was mesmerising but Maradona on his day was truly unstoppable, in a game that was played in a way that enabled people to attempt to destroy him every match. I hate Maradona too :lol:
 
My heart will always say Ronaldo (R9), I don't think any player instilled as much fear in a defense as him, but injuries robbed him of a chance at maintaining a 'greatest of all time' level for long enough. It's between Maradona and Messi then, depending on which generation you are part off.
 
If we're talking about the greatest, then it's still Pele.

If we're talking about the best, then it's probably between Maradona and Messi, whichever you prefer.
 
A game with my life on the line, I would put it all on peak Maradona.

Best of all-time? Pele, Maradona and Messi bounce around and are interchangeable. Messi might still change that and do the unthinkable and unprecedented.
 
Some of my relatives who were around to watch that year, said he was past his best by then. Obviously I cannot comment either way, just saying what folk I know said. Possibly 1958 to mid 60s was his true peak
True. Not his peak, but he was still great given the way he adapted his game in a couple of ways. Firstly, he was still quick, but not as blisteringly quick as he'd been a few years earlier. He was less of a threat surging beyond the back line and he therefore became less direct and operated in a more selfless deeper-lying 10 role. Secondly, he also had to adapt to meet the needs of the team, which was top-heavy and full of players who preferred to play in the same central position. So he worked harder off the ball than he had done earlier in his career, and he moved more selflessly to bring the best out of the others in the attack.

In the same way it wouldn't be fair to assess Messi only on 2022, or Ronaldo only on 2002, it's the same for Pele who was individually much more incredible a few years earlier, compared to later on. Yet there are still new layers they each added to their games and their legacies at those later points in their careers.
 
True. Not his peak, but he was still great given the way he adapted his game in a couple of ways. Firstly, he was still quick, but not as blisteringly quick as he'd been a few years earlier. He was less of a threat surging beyond the back line and he therefore became less direct and operated in a more selfless deeper-lying 10 role. Secondly, he also had to adapt to meet the needs of the team, which was top-heavy and full of players who preferred to play in the same central position. So he worked harder off the ball than he had done earlier in his career, and he moved more selflessly to bring the best out of the others in the attack.

In the same way it wouldn't be fair to assess Messi only on 2022, or Ronaldo only on 2002, it's the same for Pele who was individually much more incredible a few years earlier, compared to later on. Yet there are still new layers they each added to their games and their legacies at those later points in their careers.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Players we never saw first hand are always problematic!

Think there was an element of this with Maradona too in his later years - the acceleration to get away from opponents had gone, meaning the likes of Caniggia did a lot of his legwork.
 
Not sure if this should be a separate thread - but who is considered the greatest 1v1 defender to counter the dribbling of the nominees in the thread so far?

It may be hard to judge as different defenders/defensive mids came up against attackers with differing levels of danger, and managers probably tried to limit the scenarios where they'd be left in a 1v1.

That said, who would be your pick, or who had the greatest success defending some of these players 1 on 1 along the ground?
 
Messi in my lifetime has been undoubtedly the greatest ever. The only black mark against him is the three leagues he's played in though, would have loved to see him pull out those stats in English football. We'd already experienced Ronaldo and then he went and teared up LA Liga. Even Rashford went up a level in that league.
When Messi played in La liga it was ranked 1st in the world most of his time there and then 2nd. Only sometime afterwards did it drop below Seria A and Bundesliga.

Rashford managed 8 la liga goals in 32 matches while his highest PL tally is 17.
 
When Messi played in La liga it was ranked 1st in the world most of his time there and then 2nd. Only sometime afterwards did it drop below Seria A and Bundesliga.

Rashford managed 8 la liga goals in 32 matches while his highest PL tally is 17.

Yes, but what I meant is he went up a level in comparison to his PL form for the past three years or so with United.
 
Not sure if this should be a separate thread - but who is considered the greatest 1v1 defender to counter the dribbling of the nominees in the thread so far?

It may be hard to judge as different defenders/defensive mids came up against attackers with differing levels of danger, and managers probably tried to limit the scenarios where they'd be left in a 1v1.

That said, who would be your pick, or who had the greatest success defending some of these players 1 on 1 along the ground?
1 on 1

Take your pick from:

Maldini
Nesta
Baresi
Kohler
Figueroa

The first two are usually used as the gold standard, but you’re not really losing out particularly with any of the 5.
 
Football should be entertaining and Ronaldinho in his peak is the greatest entertainer. It didnt matter who you support, he was always a joy to watch. So my vote goes to him
 
Until someone else wins the Ballon D'Or 8 times it's Messi. He's also (with CR7) had the greatest cultural impact in raising the world-wide profile of the game.
I mean, France Football redid the voting pre-95 including non european players and the results were Pelé would have indeed won the Ballon D'Or 8 times
 
When Messi played in La liga it was ranked 1st in the world most of his time there and then 2nd. Only sometime afterwards did it drop below Seria A and Bundesliga.

Rashford managed 8 la liga goals in 32 matches while his highest PL tally is 17.

It was Messi competing with Ronaldo that was the epitome of La Liga right?

I don't remember it being the best league during Rijkaard's era because it was just Ronaldinho's prime in the world and he was playing football out of this world.

During the rise of Chelsea, Ronaldo left after Guardiola and Messi beat us in the CL and then it shifted to being the Spanish Golden Era. From 2005-2009 I think every CL final had an English team.

Still to this day though - it was just the same 2 duopoly teams with the 2 intergenerational players playing in a big rivalry until Simeone finally broke through about 2013-2014 to win a single title and make a CL final much like Arsenal breaking through Liverpool & City's strangle for the last 10 years. That's what finally made it competitive enough to watch as an outsider to see players like Greizmann being called the 2nd best in the world at one point during that decade. Maybe Emery was also winning Europa Leagues during that time but I can't be bothered to check.

I think why that era is particularly impressive though is because Guardiolas era at Barcelona led Spain to winning the World cup. Even though you were watching Spain, you could see glimpses of Barcelona in that National team.

Still the reason I felt a bit dissapointed about Messi is because we all knew he could do it at Barcelona. If he wanted to retire there then that's fine - many clubs have been one club men like Scholes & Giggs.

But there was no need for him to join PSG and then fail as PSG. I would have liked to see him in a more competitive league and prove the ideology of SAF words wrong when he called him a Barcelona player and I can kind of understand what he is saying because Barcelona play a type of football that is very hard to replicate outside of Barcelona as a club. I don't know if its the "total football" thing built through Ajax, but Barcelona have this ability to always play a variation of very technical football that the closest the PL has ever had was Wenger's Arsenal. Its pure technical brilliance, a football style built to their DNA which requires very technical players to create it but benefits technical players themselves. Guardiola and Eriques left a decade or 2 ago but I can still see differences in how Yamal, Raphina & all the youngsters play football in comparison to how Mbappe, Bellingham and Vini jnr play football at Real Madrid.

I was even dissapointed at him chosing the MLS instead of Saudi because the Saudi league seems more competitive on paper but I haven't watched a single match so I won't pretend to know what's right and wrong.

Messi always has the shy kind features where he almost doesnt care what people think of him so maybe that's why he chose his destinations but his rival is completely egotistical which made him take a completely different approach.

I'm glad people got to enjoy these players in their prime but unfortunately I never saw Pele or Maradona - but on highlights alone it would be Maradona.
 
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Yes, but what I meant is he went up a level in comparison to his PL form for the past three years or so with United.
Well we've seen Messi play against the best PL teams. And absolutely smash it.
 
In my opinion, which is influenced by the draft forum perspective of judging players on 3 year peaks, there is a 5 way tie for 1st between Alfredo Di Stefano, Diego Maradona, Lionel Messi, Pele and R9 Ronaldo so given the poll made me choose one I can see 2 possible metrics that elevate one of those five above the others with those being more positional versatility for Di Stefano and proven ability with less good teammates for Maradona but I ended up voting for Di Stefano anyway because he showed some indication of being able to do well with less good teammates during his time in Colombia with Millonarios (although he did have 2 top class teammates in Nestor Rossi and Adolfo Pedernera).

Once we get into more detail with Di Stefano, he is just a force of nature:

1. He started young, yet not extremely young. The reason? it's that in his days he was at perhaps the best team club by a margin. That River had a constellation of stars that in many ways started the whole possesion till die style, fellas like Pedernera, Moreno (the GOAT for all these fellas of this period), Labruna, Lousteau, etc that till his last day Alfredo idolized. So they lend the kid to Huracan, were he was great, they wanted to buy him, but River said,nope, bring him back.

2. He started to play with that huge squad and he was quite a trail blazer in terms of Athletism, given his age, perhaps the real Saeta/Arrow that Europe never enjoyed in his peak form, he had a track athlete speed. There the oldies told him to calm down, to not go every ball invididually trying to score evry single time and to play more as a team player (the seed for the total footballer was already planted).

3. He played just one Tournament with the NT in 47 at 21 years scoring 6 goals and winning the Sudamericano title. In 1948 the main Argentinian players started a Strike that ended being banned from FIFA, the Exodus started ending with Adolfo Pedernera, Alfredo Di Stéfano, René Pontoni, Néstor "Pipo" Rossi and Rial being the Ctalyst of the Colombian league separating from FIFA and creating a new one where these fellas could play. It was like Zidane, R9, Batistuta, Redondo and Iniesta from those days had to played all of a sudden in a new League out of FIFA. They were all banned of course from WCs. In those years, Millonarios (called the Blue Ballet) played friendlies around the globe trashing mostly every team in their path, till one day the team trashed was a certain Real Madrid.

4. Once Bernabeu watched that Alfredo fella, he wanted him, same with Barca and the Saga started, the thing it's that it went way beyond football and ended with Di Stefano at real at his 27 years old. So the only Di Stefano that the World knows, the only achievments the majority of the world think about him, started at an age were many players start to leave their prime, more in those days and some of those more improtant Cups, matches, etc, he was already in his mid 30's. In some way, like Fangio (that started at 38 years old) his path started with already most of his youth peak years behind. Still like Juan Manuel, blowing every fecking wall in front of him.
Timing, politics and injuries didn't allow Alfredo to play a single WC, still scored galore for Spain the times he played and even in the Fisrt Euro in 1960, Spain was disqualified form it in the final stage. It was just not meant to be, in fact in his youth Argentina could have create quite a team if AFA or at times FIFA itself didn't banned many of the Top players of that period. PD: as a side note, in his days? you couldn't even won another Ballon D Or (once he got spanish citizenship) because you just couldn't repeat (like it happened in 58). At least he got the Super Ballon or whatever stuff.

So, the dude created a Legendary carreer, almost a Club in a sense, that ended being THE CLUB.
All in his late mature years, playing his best years in a make up league, that as great as it was, it's not playing your trait in an already more traditional one (that BTW created the foundation of that passing creative style Colombia tend at times to have, specialy in the 80 and 90s).
Everytime facing huge off the field issues and pressure that the majority of players would have crumbled, while having to start all over again in another corner of the globe with not even the slightest info of what's going on there.
He was also the inspiration as a player for fellas like Eusebio, Cryuff, Charlton and even coaches like Rinus. He was cunning, a tad cocky, yet a mate (even for his rivals), he was blunt, yet at times funny, he was an extreme athlete, yet smoke like a chimney and I can't recall a moment where he self proclaimed the best.
At times, I think everyone does not compute how much of a freak of nature this fella was.



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PD: Sorry for the rant, but he deserves it and find it more useful than demeriting genius like this threas tend to end
 
Only short guys say Messi or Maradona. Taller dudes even the ugly and fat ones say Cristiano. The real answer at their peak, it is Ronaldinho>Messi>R9>Maradona.
 
Best was before Maradona.

Maradona was probably world class for 7 years, that was normal until Ronaldo and Messi came along.

Not as extreme as Best, but of course if Maradona had looked after himself he would have been great for longer.

Van Basten and R9 were in the conversations as the best players in the world at different times (and genuinely were) but I don’t think there was any consensus that they were in the conversation for best ever. Both shone so brightly, but too quickly. R9 especially didn’t win enough domestically.
How often did R9 play for a team expected to win the league? I don't think the barca or inter teams he played for pre injury were World beaters
 
How often did R9 play for a team expected to win the league? I don't think the barca or inter teams he played for pre injury were World beaters
He played for a very good inter team, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

I would certainly argue he was unlucky in terms of timing, but he does have an underwhelming club record.

Not too many players won the World Cup twice mind!
 
Pele was past his best in 1970

It was a swansong end to his WC career.

He was better in the 1958 world cup than 1970. That was a glimpse of him at his best before he ascended during 1960-65.
The thing is that many of those who claim he is the best ever cite 3 world cups but he barely played in 1962 and really doesn't look all that in the 1970 world cup on my viewing. And this last world cup is often cited as his best.

As far as 1958 wc is concerned, he probably was better but we have seen many "flash in the pan" tournament debuts eg Rooney Euro 2004, Rossi wc 1982, scilacci 1990 etc

I give him the benefit of the doubt because i haven't watched as much of him and the world cup is a small sample size but i also feel like there is some myth created around him like he was some superhuman. I remember the nonsense about his shot power and his giant leap.
Yes, but what I meant is he went up a level in comparison to his PL form for the past three years or so with United.
Laliga has regressed in the last 5 years. Their teams outside top 2 are really really poor.
Yes, but what I meant is he went up a level in comparison to his PL form for the past three years or so with United.
La liga was more competitive diring most of Messi's time there and he often produced against the best English sides and has better stats against them even than Cristiano, a player whose game is defined by stats.
 
Yes, but what I meant is he went up a level in comparison to his PL form for the past three years or so with United.

The late Rashford in EPL level had more to do with him loosing any kind of confidence, of him being at times even abused (with fault ot not) than any sort of strict football sense.

Plus, this particular players comparison regarding leagues never work, you would always find those made in such vein throught the history of the game that would back one or the other side of the same coin meaning pretty much nothing. Every player and his level will have more to do with the particular timing (and everything around it) of that case than anything else.
In any case, for the love of God, EPL it's not some sort of ultimate constant chalennge since ever, it cringes as fvck. I once read here questioning Maradona, Platini, etc etc because they didn't do it in EPL.
 
This needs to be in CAPITAL LETTERS:

MARADONA DIDN'T HAD JUST 7 YEARS FOR CHRIST SAKE YOU FECKING EURO CVNTS (yeah you lot deserve it :lol: ).

Even just in Argentinos Jrs he had 5 years the majority of players, now, then and in the future can only dream of.


PD: Also PUSKAS, EUSEBIO, VAN BASTEN, PLATINI, ZICO; GARRINCHA, BEST, BAGGIO deserve to the very least being mentioned (I have even a soft spot for SIVORI and some real revisionism of MORENO, LEONIDAS, MATHEWS)