I rate Carrick higher than Modric and Alonso in the context of the PL. They are both better players than Carrick overall, though.
But Cavani also has an excellent record in Italy, prolific for Napoli, maybe even better there than he was for PSG. And great at international level too. It’s no surprise he’s still going well at United because he’s done well everywhere.
I separate between AM and CM in this case. Players like Gerrard, Lampard, D.Silva, Toure and De Bryune spent the best part of their careers in a more attacking midfield role.
He is rated that way already, imo.
Touré played the vast majority of his games as a CM, as have De Bruyne, Gerrard and Lampard. In the case of Touré it's not even close which makes the claim a bit strange. Xabi Alonso spent 5 seasons and Mascherano 4 seasons in the premier league. The problem with your criteria is that they are not based on what actually happened, the time and position players played and you seemingly give more great seasons to Carrick than he deserves.
Absolutely. I said it jokingly but it’s absolutely true.
As top red as it may sound, there is no chance that I pick a different pairing than Keane and Scholes.
Because they’re rival fans
My point is, you don’t see rival fans telling us how crap Rashford is, or how crap Zlatan was, or how Rooney and Ronaldo were overrated. Aside from us United fans because we absolutely love him, everyone else seems to dislike Bruno himself, even leaving aside club allegiances. It’s strange, thus making him underrated.
If "CM" includes everything from Carrick to De Bryune/D.Silva, then the pool of options became ridiculously large. Playing with 3 midfielders has been the standard for most of the PL era. We should make a distinction between players like Carrick and De Bryune, as their roles are so different. It's like lumping fullbacks and centerbacks together.
That's not very long, imo. And if I recall correctly, none of them hit the ground running. The moment they were considered hot commodity, it didn't take very long before they left England and spent their best years elsewhere. That's why I don't think it's wrong to rate Carrick higher than both(and Modric for that matter).
4 and 5 years is long in football, it's about a third of a decent professional career, and those years were played at a high level during their respective primes. But my point is that almost everything you said is debatable which is why your claim that Carrick definitely is a top 10 CM in the PL era is debatable. And of course the pool is ridiculously large which again is why it's debatable if you don't accurately discriminate, for example Carrick mainly played the role of DM for United not CM while Gerrard/Touré played more games as CM than any other positions, that's why your point is debatable, you give more leeway to Carrick than you do for other players.
can’t speak for outside of the UK. But don’t think he’s underrated here at all. He’s England’s top goal scorer.
England or United all-time XI(or both)?
Haha. I made one last year during lockdown. Think I shared with you? Hopefully make another this year!I expect better trolling from you! Now when are you tagging me in your next short (horror) movie?
Yes definitely shared! Was pretty good!
Thanks you
Thanks mate! Hopefully next one will be step up!
Not even one page and I have been reduced to someone.
In that spirit, I wonder how Alexis Sanchez will be remembered, people seem to have already forgotten how good he used to be.
I also liked him a lot. Great technique, fantastic workrate, good vision, and progressive passer of the ball.
I think his perception in the UK was shaped by a couple of ropey performances against English opposition. Same dynamic applied for Ibrahimovic and Totti.
