Who should manage us next?

Andy_Cole

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I’m done with Ruben. I was done after the cup final but yesterday was the nail in the coffin. It’s not going to work no matter how long his managerial stint will be dragged.

I give it a few more months before we pull the plug. We’ll be hovering around 12th place with European ambitions over. Probably out of the cup.

The issue is I don’t have a clue who we should get next. There are the PL flavour of the months like Glasner and Iraola. But something tells me they won’t be able to take the step up. Is there anyone else?

If we’re sacking in Feb I’m sure it’ll be a caretaker. Ole, Fletcher, Carrick come to mind. I doubt we’d make them permanent though.

There’s a few international managers who I’d take. Ancelotti, Nagelsmann, Poch (I know this is an unpopular choice), so maybe we go caretaker and wait until the World Cup is over.

What’s your take?
 
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Andy_Cole said:
I’m done with Ruben. I was done after the cup final but yesterday is the nail in the coffin. It’s not going to work no matter how long his managerial stint will be dragged.

I give it a few more months before we pull the plug. We’ll be hovering around 12th place with European ambitions over. Probably out of the cup.

The issue is I don’t have a clue who we should get next. There the PL flavour of the months like Glasner and Iraola. But something tells me they won’t be able to blame the step up. Is there anyone else?

If we’re sacking in Feb I’m sure it’ll be a caretaker. Ole, Fletcher, Carrick come to mind. I doubt we’d make them permanent though.

There’s a few international managers who I’d take. Ancelotti, Nangelsmann, Poch (I know this is an unpopular choice), so maybe we go caretaker and wait until the World Cup is over.

What’s your take?
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I think Nagelsmann would be a terrible choice. I wouldn’t consider him.
 
Genuinely someone who favours attacking gameplay and less of this tactical boring nonsense.

We've always been best with fast aggressive forwards and attacking play and instead we've now got a team that seems to pass around the back too much and refuse to take risks.

I don't know what manager is like that, but there must be one out there.
 
I would actually prefer Eddie Howe at the moment. His teams are well-coached and hard-working. Get that spirit back.
 
Surely Glasner and Iraola have passed the ' flavour of the month ' label by now ?
 
You mention a variety of prospective "managers", but, being serious, would any of them realistically consider taking on this absolute nightmare of a job. Our club has been so damaged by years of poor choices, behind the scenes, managers, players, if it was an injured animal it would be engaged in euthanasia. We have endured ridicule (it doesn't appear to register with the players) for far too long, but hey!! I have no idea who to offer this "wonderful opportunity" to, in fact I am just like the highly paid intelligent football people at the club......clueless.
 
MaMa given red said:
Howe is a reasonable shout, especially as it feels like he's gone as far as he can at Newcastle.
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Exactly. He has done well at Bournemouth and took them as far as possible. He has brought CL to Newcastle a few times, and to be fair, they will not be challenging for the title anytime soon. So he has done the best there, and might be ready for the next step.
 
Danish Wizard said:
Exactly. He has done well at Bournemouth and took them as far as possible. He has brought CL to Newcastle a few times, and to be fair, they will not be challenging for the title anytime soon. So he has done the best there, and might be ready for the next step.
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I think this summer will have been an eye opener for Howe. The amount of players that rejected Newcastle despite them winning a trophy and having Champions League football shows that they just aren't considered a top club.
 
It was a dreaful performance, but my take is this is extremely knee jerk. Our best players had bad games and the players we know to know to be not good enough, proved that. If you strip out our aggressive forwards in Cunha and Sesko and play a defensive wingback in Mazraoui, it's not really a surprise we struggled to create much. Roy Keane regularly brings this up, but it's a team game. You're allowed a bad game, but your team mates should be able to cover or bring you back up. Too many drifters in this squad looking for someone else to make the difference.
 
Conte is a obvious one surely.

Thrice in his career he has taken over big clubs in mid table the season before and won the league. Which is a miracle according to some here and can never be done without buying a new team. And he has done it thrice with Chelsea, Inter and Napoli. Even Juve he did well.

No more of long term project nonsense. We need results asap.

Appoint him and tell him we need to be up there next season or he gets sacked.
 
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Exactly. He has done well at Bournemouth and took them as far as possible. He has brought CL to Newcastle a few times, and to be fair, they will not be challenging for the title anytime soon. So he has done the best there, and might be ready for the next step.
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If he couldnt get Newcastle challenging, with a team miles better than ours, then how could he get us challenging for anything?
 
If we're counting international managers after the World Cup, surely Tuchel is the best shout? His England contract only runs to the end of the World Cup too. Plus, we know he's already had talks with Ineos in the past. Premier League proven, genuinely one of the game's elite managers, though his football can be a bit dull at times.

For established managers, Conte might bite if we make a good offer. Much like Tuchel, probably a great bet to come in and immediately raise the level of the team and establish a dominant playing style. He's very high maintenance though and would definitely throw multiple tantrums, which given the Man Utd media circus is probably not a great thing.

I've advocated for Sebastien Hoeness in the past but it's probably too early for him and he doesn't have the big personality or resume to have credibility to ride out a tough spell. This club would probably eat him alive. Same probably for Iraola, though being proven in the league might get him buy-in.

In the earlier thread for Amorim sacking, I suggested Ernesto Valverde, saying he'd be a steady hand. And as if to prove just how little I know about football, he promptly lost 5 of his next 6 (and drawing the other one). His record over the past 15 games: 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 9 Losses. So not him either, then?

Glasner seems better giving up possession than when his teams are expected to dominate. I feel like that would be an issue at United where teams would happily sit back. Fear it would go similar to Frank at Spurs.

Same for Marco Silva. Good manager, has done well at Fulham. But nothing special, fear it would go like Frank at Spurs.

My outside shout - Cesc Fabregas. Como are currently 6th in Serie A, and finished 10th last season having just been promoted. He's got the charisma and personality to manage at a big club. Plus his playing career would give him credibility among the players. Playing career is even mostly in England so at least understands the demands of the Premier League. Plays a very possession dominant high pressing style which would be suitable for a big team. Plus has spoken about giving top players freedom to express themselves within the possession framework so would probably be quite fun to watch with the likes of Cunha, Mbuemo, Mainoo, and Bruno.

Downsides obviously are he's never managed outside Como, so would be a big step up. Plus, his playing career is mostly with our rivals, so fans might not take to him. Plus, given his ownership role at Como, might not even be available.

Safer Option - Try to convince Simone Inzaghi to leave Saudi and come to United.

Big Risk Option - Roberto De Zerbi. Did well at Brighton, we know his style works in this league. Has done well at Marseille. Downside - he is a class A prick and also incredibly volatile. Basically the tantrums of Conte without the resume.

Honestly, we should do everything in our power to convince Tuchel. He is by far the most proven elite manager we could reasonably hope to get. But then that would mean writing this season off. Not sure how to feel about that.

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I think Nagelsmann would be a terrible choice. I wouldn’t consider him.
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Why? His Bayern side were always underwhelming despite the league win but it's not like Tuchel came in and did better. Honestly amazing how Kompany has completely shown both Nagelsman and Tuchel up.
 
SomeRandomPerson said:
If we're counting international managers after the World Cup, surely Tuchel is the best shout? His England contract only runs to the end of the World Cup too. Plus, we know he's already had talks with Ineos in the past. Premier League proven, genuinely one of the game's elite managers, though his football can be a bit dull at times.

For established managers, Conte might bite if we make a good offer. Much like Tuchel, probably a great bet to come in and immediately raise the level of the team and establish a dominant playing style. He's very high maintenance though and would definitely throw multiple tantrums, which given the Man Utd media circus is probably not a great thing.

I've advocated for Sebastien Hoeness in the past but it's probably too early for him and he doesn't have the big personality or resume to have credibility to ride out a tough spell. This club would probably eat him alive. Same probably for Iraola, though being proven in the league might get him buy-in.

In the earlier thread for Amorim sacking, I suggested Ernesto Valverde, saying he'd be a steady hand. And as if to prove just how little I know about football, he promptly lost 5 of his next 6 (and drawing the other one). His record over the past 15 games: 4 Wins, 2 Draws, 9 Losses. So not him either, then?

Glasner seems better giving up possession than when his teams are expected to dominate. I feel like that would be an issue at United where teams would happily sit back. Fear it would go similar to Frank at Spurs.

Same for Marco Silva. Good manager, has done well at Fulham. But nothing special, fear it would go like Frank at Spurs.

My outside shout - Cesc Fabregas. Como are currently 6th in Serie A, and finished 10th last season having just been promoted. He's got the charisma and personality to manage at a big club. Plus his playing career would give him credibility among the players. Playing career is even mostly in England so at least understands the demands of the Premier League. Plays a very possession dominant high pressing style which would be suitable for a big team. Plus has spoken about giving top players freedom to express themselves within the possession framework so would probably be quite fun to watch with the likes of Cunha, Mbuemo, Mainoo, and Bruno.

Downsides obviously are he's never managed outside Como, so would be a big step up. Plus, his playing career is mostly with our rivals, so fans might not take to him. Plus, given his ownership role at Como, might not even be available.

Safer Option - Try to convince Simone Inzaghi to leave Saudi and come to United.

Big Risk Option - Roberto De Zerbi. Did well at Brighton, we know his style works in this league. Has done well at Marseille. Downside - he is a class A prick and also incredibly volatile. Basically the tantrums of Conte without the resume.

Honestly, we should do everything in our power to convince Tuchel. He is by far the most proven elite manager we could reasonably hope to get. But then that would mean writing this season off. Not sure how to feel about that.



Why? His Bayern side were always underwhelming despite the league win but it's not like Tuchel came in and did better. Honestly amazing how Kompany has completely shown both Nagelsman and Tuchel up.
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Well, you give the first reason yourself. His Bayern side was underwhelming. Especially when it mattered most. He also seemed to have lost the dressing room pretty early and the whole job just looked too big for him. His tactical experiments didn’t work and his media appearances were often rather unfortunate.
I never had the feeling he was ready to deal with a club of Bayern‘s size. And he’s done nothing so far with Germany that would suggest to me that he has learned enough, to be ready for a challenge like that.
Throw him into the dysfunctional mess that is United and I think he will fail miserably.

Funnily enough, I think Kompany might have what it takes for a situation like that. He’s great at shielding the team from the press and created a great atmosphere at the club.
 
Somebody with experience of handling big clubs in transition well.

I'm sorry but this whole hipster manager thing has truly failed.
 
spiriticon said:
Somebody with experience of handling big clubs in transition well.

I'm sorry but this whole hipster manager thing has truly failed.
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Conte for 2 seasons to get us challenging is obvious choice.

He will fall out eventually but atleast have us amongst the top for new manager.
 
Iraola. Love his football.

He'll need about 15 new players though.
 
This manager merry-go-round is a little exhausting. I don't see any options out there I would be super comfortable with. On the other hand, I do think we need to try something new soon, if things don't start improving under Amorim. Yesterday was his chance. Home game with weeks to prepare, and he has the team coming out of the gate like that. It's so poor.

But if we do decide on a new manager, I think the approach to it will be super important. Do we want to make another chaotic mid-season switch? Or is it better to see this season out and then change in the summer (potentially with an interim using a new system)? Depends on who is available I guess. One thing I will say in Amorim's defense last season, is that he took over a mess. Hopefully that doesn't happen again.
 
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Iraola. Love his football.

He'll need about 15 new players though.
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We need about 15 new players whoever is in charge.

The only players we can currently definitely build around are De Ligt, Cunha and Mbeumo.

We have promising young players too in Yoro, Mainoo and Lammens.

The rest are either too old, or not good enough.
 
Howe wouldn’t be a bad shout. Has huge PL experience and has been successful at a big club in Newcastle. Step up from Newcastle in terms of club size but in the short term not much of a step up in terms of expectation. His teams are well coached and hard working. I really prefer an English manager but really don’t want Southgate. It does seem like he may have taken Newcastle as far as they will go for now, but the question is there as to whether he’d actually take the job.
 
Xavi

We need to build on the midfield and in the short term having three in there to give the players minutes and rotate and help each others game.

We do have huge issues with the squad though, it's only being masked slightly by the three new signings extending the play.
 
Anyone who can look at a team and set up for their strengths and someone who isn’t a flipping text book manager. Who needs a system and specific profiles to just bloody coach.

I’m convinced Kieran McKenna would do a better job and hiss team has fell off this season.
 
If we were to stick with Amorim, we need 2 WBs and 2 CM to play his system. Bruno has no real place in his setup either so might as well be sold.
Surely, it makes sense to build using a back 4 and using the players we have in their best positions? Not sure why this is so difficult. Keeping Amorim is going to be so much more expensive than getting a better coach now.
 
soapythecat said:
If we were to stick with Amorim, we need 2 WBs and 2 CM to play his system. Bruno has no real place in his setup either so might as well be sold.
Surely, it makes sense to build using a back 4 and using the players we have in their best positions? Not sure why this is so difficult. Keeping Amorim is going to be so much more expensive than getting a better coach now.
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Can you please list just 5 wingback we could buy?

The idea just baffles me when you really look into it. Especially if your job is to provide players for the manager.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
Can you please list just 5 wingback we could buy?

The idea just baffles me when you really look into it. Especially if your job is to provide players for the manager.
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It’s a flawed system because if this. The 3 CBs and WBs are the most important players in it and we are way off with the players we have. Given how poorly we’ve recruited so far, we ain’t getting 2 decent WB anytime soon either.
 
First of all I like a manager who can make do with what he has on hand. A bit of personal agenda no problem, but don't come up with a request to change all 11 players in order to implement his dream, because we can't afford it. Tuchel was the 1st name in my mind, due to what he did at Chelsea. Doesn't has to be him but you know what I am talking about.

No more revolution, just someone who can fix the sinking ship immediately, then turn it around slowly. SLOWLY, not all changed
 
Glasner or Iraola would be a big step up I think. They know the league and can adapt to our current squad.
 
It's frustrating being both a United and England cricket fan at the moment as both management teams are stubborn at the opposite extremes and their in-game inflexibility is losing games they should win. Amorim is to wedded to a structure and defensive mindset whereas the Bazballers of England are all about positive vibes and nonsense jargon like "be where your feet are" and "run towards the danger".

In fact, both teams would benefit from a diametric change in approach so I say Brendan McCullum as the new United manager and Amorim can take over the cricket team and recall the blockers like Sibley
 
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