Who should manage us next?

Stickz said:
and we're supposed to be moving away from building squads tailored to the needs of the managers 'idea'.
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Yes but we are buying them for the type of style we play, so it's very unlikely we would get a manager with such a very different style.
 
Offside said:
As crap as we were last season, we would’ve gone into CL places with a win on Monday. Yes we lost and yes we were shite and yes you could blame the shockingly low finish last season on him, but we’re clearly doing better than last season so this dragging us to relegation chat is boring.
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How do think we're going to do over December and Afcon? Bet we're closer to 20th than 10th.
 
FromTheBench said:
Who cares if he falls out in 2/3 years.

Atleast he will have us challenging.

Not like other managers are lasting more and that too without any sucess.
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This is what should be done. These people don't want managers like Jose who are going to win stuff then blow the doors off everything.
They want someone to come in and be shit for 3 years and then we can judge them after that when we're still shit because we don't like sacking our useless managers.
Managers like this prove you don't need 5 years and 2b to improve or win more than 12 fecking games in a year!
 
Hammondo said:
Yes but we are buying them for the type of style we play, so it's very unlikely we would get a manager with such a very different style.
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Would you bet on that?
 
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I would like to see the improvement data Ineos management team has that makes them decide to keep Amorim. I think they will try to keep him until end of season and see fromt there (unless he fecks us up horribly).

I see the point of giving manager time to get it right but that has to have improvments that we see and can rely on that he will get it right given more time. But with Amorim, we can see already the future because of his formation and unwilling to change/adapt it.

We need to stop trying to find the manager that last for us a decade by giving them too much time. The prerequisit of having more time to manage United is the improvement/success, and not vice versa. Moreover, there are not many managers nowadays that stays in 1 club for too long. The avarage time of managers tenure in EPL in the last 15 years is 2 years and even lower if we take Pep and Klopp out. So we should just go ahead with the best managers we can get and get us the success 1/2 years and if they fail later, go and find another. We just need to have the best availabe foundation (upper management team) to help and make the decision.
 
I always wanted Klopp as successor to Sir Alex but from the day he signed for Liverpool my choice would have been Tuchel. And this has not changed.
 
stefan92 said:
I get your point about Glasner's style.

But unless you don't think that Bournemouth and United are comparable clubs, having a comparable winning percentage at Bournemouth clearly is better.
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My point was simply, the 2 managers that most of the fanbase is crying out for in al likelihood are not much better than what we have now. No need to chop and change for the sake of chopping and changing.

And regarding your point about Bournemouth and United. United has 1 draw and 3 losses in their last 4 for Bournemouth, so make of that what you will.
 
Offside said:
As crap as we were last season, we would’ve gone into CL places with a win on Monday. Yes we lost and yes we were shite and yes you could blame the shockingly low finish last season on him, but we’re clearly doing better than last season so this dragging us to relegation chat is boring.
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We’re going to keep saying this until CL place is out of reach
 
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My feeling is it will be one of Tuchel or Howe to eventually take over. But I expect we will have another year + of Amorim regardless of results.
 
groovyalbert said:
My feeling is it will be one of Tuchel or Howe to eventually take over. But I expect we will have another year + of Amorim regardless of results.
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I already suspect Tuchel is higher on the list than we think, I don't think Howe would leave because of his setup currently. Tuchel fits a lot of needs, proven across multiple leagues especially in the PL, is able to play different styles, is friendly with English players (something Ratcliffe has wanted to increase), has worked with tough board and fan expectations, doesn't have to run transfers either. He'd probably be better than any of the up and coming coaches out there. What we need is stability and Tuchel can provide it for a few seasons. It could be troublesome with the Rashford question hanging over the club though, if Barca says no to his wage demands, Rashford could end up coming back if Tuchel wants him to stay

Luis Enrique would be a pipe dream for me but even then there's questions on if he could work in the PL
 
sleepehead said:
I already suspect Tuchel is higher on the list than we think, I don't think Howe would leave because of his setup currently. Tuchel fits a lot of needs, proven across multiple leagues especially in the PL, is able to play different styles, is friendly with English players (something Ratcliffe has wanted to increase), has worked with tough board and fan expectations, doesn't have to run transfers either. He'd probably be better than any of the up and coming coaches out there. What we need is stability and Tuchel can provide it for a few seasons. It could be troublesome with the Rashford question hanging over the club though, if Barca says no to his wage demands, Rashford could end up coming back if Tuchel wants him to stay

Luis Enrique would be a pipe dream for me but even then there's questions on if he could work in the PL
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I agree. I can see us going in for Tuchel after the World Cup.

I think the Afcon period will kill the season for us, and if we finish out with European football surely Amorim is done.
 
Bwuk said:
I agree. I can see us going in for Tuchel after the World Cup.

I think the Afcon period will kill the season for us, and if we finish out with European football surely Amorim is done.
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Yeah the AFCON period could be his death nell if he can't navigate through it with wins. Cunha and Sesko haven't produced enough G&A and our entire right side which has been the most productive will be gone for 3-4 weeks. After 3 straight wins we've slowly slid back to where we were before.
 
groovyalbert said:
My feeling is it will be one of Tuchel or Howe to eventually take over. But I expect we will have another year + of Amorim regardless of results.
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Tuchel would tick all the boxes. I always wanted him before Amiron. Been very impressed with his no nonsense approach with the big egos for England. He knows the premier League and has won the big trophies too.
 
sleepehead said:
I already suspect Tuchel is higher on the list than we think, I don't think Howe would leave because of his setup currently. Tuchel fits a lot of needs, proven across multiple leagues especially in the PL, is able to play different styles, is friendly with English players (something Ratcliffe has wanted to increase), has worked with tough board and fan expectations, doesn't have to run transfers either. He'd probably be better than any of the up and coming coaches out there. What we need is stability and Tuchel can provide it for a few seasons. It could be troublesome with the Rashford question hanging over the club though, if Barca says no to his wage demands, Rashford could end up coming back if Tuchel wants him to stay

Luis Enrique would be a pipe dream for me but even then there's questions on if he could work in the PL
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I doubt Rashford will stay under any circumstances. We took away his no10
 
There really should be some kind of wall of shame and put a load of these posters up on it.

Some of you really are a embarrassment to our fanbase.
 
Ha, Tuchel would moan endlessly in the public about the management of the club, especially in the transfer window if he doesn't get what he wants.

No way would the ownership go near him.
 
I would not want to get rid of Amorin yet, im very dissapointed about the everton match, but I dont see why they will get rid now. Atleast give him a pair of competent wingbacks and a new midfield player first, if its still hopeless then obviously choice for me is De zerbi or Conte. Enrique and tuchel would also be good, atleast conte that also play with 3 in the back
 
Cantona_7_ said:
I would not want to get rid of Amorin yet, im very dissapointed about the everton match, but I dont see why they will get rid now. Atleast give him a pair of competent wingbacks and a new midfield player first, if its still hopeless then obviously choice for me is De zerbi or Conte. Enrique and tuchel would also be good, atleast conte that also play with 3 in the back
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But you're basically saying that Amorim needs every piece of his team to be exactly what he needs to succeed. No manager gets that, so it is always a bit about doing better with what you have, and Amorim fails at this. This talk of signing system-fixing players ignores the fact that Amorim has not been able to manage the current squad.
 
Semigoodlookin said:
But you're basically saying that Amorim needs every piece of his team to be exactly what he needs to succeed. No manager gets that, so it is always a bit about doing better with what you have, and Amorim fails at this. This talk of signing system-fixing players ignores the fact that Amorim has not been able to manage the current squad.
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I totally agree with you, i were expecting a lift of form with Amorin appointment and its scary how bad we did last year. However I belive he learned alot that period and this season iys still great chance of top 5. If he fail to qualify for cl then get rid, but no point changing mananger again mid season
 
Manager is not important. Bayern appointed Vincent Kompany and theyre flying high, Chelsea change managers on regular basis and still challenging for top silverware so unless you got manager on the same level of SAF, Klopp, or Guardiola, managers should have only been seen as a cog in well-oiled machine, easily replaceable.
 
groovyalbert said:
My feeling is it will be one of Tuchel or Howe to eventually take over. But I expect we will have another year + of Amorim regardless of results.
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It won’t be another year. Defeats in these next 2 games and he’s gone. The club will have to act when we drop to 15/16th again.
 
soapythecat said:
It won’t be another year. Defeats in these next 2 games and he’s gone. The club will have to act when we drop to 15/16th again.
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Why do you assume two defeats? Our record is 5 wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats. We don't lose every game, just every third one. We're not going to lose both our next games. The overall record emerging is not good enough, but I don't expect an implosion that would force a sacking (since the Everton defeat wasn't deemed enough of a bad sign)
 
FortunaUtd said:
Why do you assume two defeats? Our record is 5 wins, 3 draws, 4 defeats. We don't lose every game, just every third one. We're not going to lose both our next games. The overall record emerging is not good enough, but I don't expect an implosion that would force a sacking (since the Everton defeat wasn't deemed enough of a bad sign)
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We’ve rode our luck. The recent 5 games unbeaten was fortunate and when you watch us, we haven’t really improved at all. We still get overrun in midfield, regardless of the opposition. I’d happily wager we don’t score in the next 2 games.
 
No more half measures, Luis Enrique, he’ll want to manage in the epl, it’s between us, City and pool who gets him first, for once we should make the first move.
 
soapythecat said:
It won’t be another year. Defeats in these next 2 games and he’s gone. The club will have to act when we drop to 15/16th again.
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Nah, don't think Amorim gets axed before the end of the season unless it looks like we are literally getting relegated - which we aren't
 
soapythecat said:
We’ve rode our luck. The recent 5 games unbeaten was fortunate and when you watch us, we haven’t really improved at all. We still get overrun in midfield, regardless of the opposition. I’d happily wager we don’t score in the next 2 games.
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Nope, it's been going on like that forever. We're never actually as terrible as we consider ourselves after the worst defeats ("relegation form" etc). Our wins are not luck, just like our defeats are not accidents. We're mediocre.

I'm done with Amorim not merely because results are still relatively unsatisfying, but because what we saw from him in the Everton game finalized the opinion that he's by far not flexible or smart enough to ever be really successful with this approach.
 
redNATION said:
No more half measures, Luis Enrique, he’ll want to manage in the epl, it’s between us, City and pool who gets him first, for once we should make the first move.
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He'd be my first choice too but I just don't see why he would leave PSG for us anytime soon.

I'm not sure who we'll get permanently, but I'd like to see Ole come back until the end of the season - give him a chance to get us into Europe and leave with his head held high - as it should have been in 2019.
 
Régis Le Bris is working miracles with Sunderland.
It'll be interesting to see how they finish.
 
SteveCoppellFan said:
There really should be some kind of wall of shame and put a load of these posters up on it.

Some of you really are a embarrassment to our fanbase.
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The ones backing our worst ever PL manager should absolutely be on a wall of shame, couldn’t agree more.

Liverpool will likely sack a league winning manager before we rid ourselves of this loser.
 
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