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Who you rate the highest Pep, Klopp or Tuchel?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I know they say you learn something new every day but I never thought I'd find out i am a better manager than Ancelotti......
I never said that. I just said that anybody can manage PSG to victory. It's a shite league with one good team. It's not rocket science...
Poch and Carlo had seasons where they failed to win in France with PSG
This thread’s been a little quiet lately. Did something happen…..?
Pep is just streets ahead isn't he? The consistency he's managed at City at domestic level is insane. Anyone know what his win % is?
Tuchel and Klopp aren't as close as people say for me. City are about to march to 4 titles in 5 seasons. Only Ferguson can boast that kind of consistency, winning 4/5 at the beginning of the Prem, and 3 on the trot twice.
Tuchel and Klopp aren't as close as people say for me. City are about to march to 4 titles in 5 seasons. Only Ferguson can boast that kind of consistency, winning 4/5 at the beginning of the Prem, and 3 on the trot twice.
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The question has to be where is Pep gonna stack up against Fergie in the PL?
Yet they lost last season, lost few times before too.
Pep is stepping down in 2023, no? He wants to manage Brazil.
Tuchel is going through his own patch now
Klopp. He has accomplished genuinely impressive things at Dortmund and Liverpool. I don't think Tuchel measures up against Klopp and Pep, and Pep has never had a challenging job. Every moment of his career, he has had the strongest squad in the league. He has never punched above his weight. His accomplishment are par for the course. No one can say he hasn't done well with what he's had, but you would have to be decidedly incompetent to not succeed when you literally always have the best tools in the business. Before I can rate him as one of the true greats, I'll have to see him succeed with something less than the best squad in the land and the most money. If he can go to, say, Tottenham and win the league, I'll give him the nod. But he won't even try it. I get the distinct sense that he refuses to take on any job where success is not essentially guaranteed. He wants easy, automatic trophies, so I can't rate him as one of the very best.
I'm sure he's gutted
On that basis then there has to also be question marks over Klopp until he takes a job with serious expectations to win all the time.
Poor Pep, he might not sleep tonight.
That's never going to happen, Pep wants to work with the best.
Klopp's track record at improving players when they join is second to none. Interested to see how quickly Diaz settles in.
Ya, I agree with you there. It is easy to invent question marks for any managers, previously people were saying mou > pep because of resources as well.
Lets invent one for for Fergie then, unable to prove that he can successfully manage a club outside the British culture. Until he can win in Italy or Spain, I will not rate him as one of the GOATs.
Man its easy to nitpick like these Pep naysayers
You laugh but isn't that the one criticism that hurts him the most?
It definitely is, but then again, i think if that's the caveat, any/all managers would have such a question mark over them.
I think a lot of posters also act as if he walked into an all-conquering Barca side, when in fact he had a lot to do with their dominance.
Would Messi have been Messi without Pep? Xavi, Iniesta? Most likely, but fact remains they were not the all world conquering - one of the GOAT teams when he stepped in. A more balanced view is required there. It's like discrediting SAF for the CO'92.
Either way, I'm not a die hard Pep fan (how could I be when I grew up worshipping SAF
) and I actually really, really rate Klopp up there, but Pep (and depending on what Klopp does next) will go down as one of the GOAT managers, IMO. He'll have question marks about him, no doubt. But I think that's part of the parcel and why no one player/manager ever goes down as the undisputed GOAT, barring some exceptional cases.This doesn't work for Fergie though. He had success in very different periods. The English football of early 90s is not the same as the 2000s. And it is not the same as the 2010s.
He managed to dominate the league in 2007-09, defeating the competition from Mourinho, Wenger and Benitez. That's 3 different schools, from other than the "British culture".
He also proved himself beyond that in the 2010-2013 period, winning 2 titles over other worthy challengers from outside culture. He won the title against Benitez, Wenger, Mancini and Ancelotti in his last seasons.
And contrarily to other coaches, most of his success wasn't down to his team being constantly 30% + richer than all its competitors.
As I said, it is easy to put disqualifiers, because there is no perfect coach, even for someone like SAF. He still only did manage within the british culture, he never ventured out of it, put him in Real Madrid or Juventus which are in leagues with holly different culture, different systems and even different club politics and he may not be as successful.
Also, lets not forget that in SAF’s time, United were the club in EPL with the deepest pocket over the period of 20 odd years
I've never seen him hurt about it so I'd love to know where you pulled that from in fact I've seen pep repeatedly say he's incredibly lucky to have the record and jobs he's had. Consistently acknowledges his trophy haul is down to his players and wat he's been given.
I'm open to being shown where he's hurt by it though
There's a lot to criticize about Guardiola, but his achievements have not been "par for the course."
Yes but I think the spending arguement is always going to be taken to account.
If Klopp can squeeze a league title out of this squad then that's probably his greatest achievement at Liverpool.
Tuchel was always a couple of tiers below.
Should we sack ten hag and get in Europe's joint top manager ?
This is why I like coaches to spend so we can take out that variable. Tuchel was hiding under the not spending excuse until now. Same Poch did at Spurs until he went to PSG.
Same happened to Lampard and Conte at Chelsea
Probably why Klopp won't take on a big job where he will spend a lot but must deliver instantly and every season too
He certainly hasnt now
I still rate Tuchel highly and think he’s an excellent coach.
Same
The audacity
For around 12 to 18 months.