Jesus, at least put some respect on his name in an United forum at least.
Why are Pep and Klopp so dominant in the EPL?
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Their teams are much better organized and sophisticated. Football has advanced. Ferguson was a great manager but his approach is outdated and outperformed these days.
Klopp has been on Peps level since Germany days to anyone who knew anything about football.
Tuchel isn’t on that level, I think Ten Haag has more chances of reaching it but neither are as of yet.
Ole finished above Klopp last year. Look at United 1995-2003 and you will see what real dominance is.
Nonsense.
Good exchange of ideas.
Sometimes only a word is needed for poor takes.
Nonsense.
Because, in the words of NWA, ‘after the show they go looking for the dope man…’
The league is weaker now and easier to win for a oil club like City. This idea that football is always improving and getting better a just marketing effort to sell a over priced product to football fans.
Also I don’t get why Klopp is getting mentioned here. The guy has one league title so far and finished 3rd last season.
Also I don’t get why Klopp is getting mentioned here. The guy has one league title so far and finished 3rd last season.
Well it does because you can’t dominate a league if there’s literally another club doing better than you. Dominating the league means being better than everyone else and winning the title at the end of it, and one title in 6 years for Klopp certainly isn’t that. Bayern winning 10 in a row in the Bundesliga now that’s dominating.
Is this a German perception of Ferguson? Fergie didn't have a style - each one of his dominant sides were different from the other and were formulated to deal with what was around at the time. If Fergie was around now, we would have again adapted and play in whatever manner necessary to amass ridiculous points totals and we'd also have a far, far better squad than what was utilised back then. We'd have the coaches needed to facilitate what he wanted and wouldn't have skipped a beat. He is definition of eclectic, which is why no one label will ever fit his teams or approach to management.
Wrong. Bayern AND Dortmund. Dortmund was 2nd best team in last 10 years so they are dominant team too.
Bloody hell, this is blasphemy.
Of course! How could I forget. Dortmund really showing them how it’s done.Wrong. Bayern AND Dortmund. Dortmund was 2nd best team in last 10 years so they are dominant team too.
More nonsense.
It’s German ignorance and desperation from some posters to call anything German great. The same desperation which calls Klopp dominating the league despite a grand total of 1 league titles.
This same poster who just claimed Klopp and Pep are better than Ferguson was also arguing a few weeks ago how Bayern (yes Bayern, not Madrid) have been the most dominant side in the CL in the last decade or so.
Not really. It just means that there is a higher bar now and you just aren't good enough. As simple as that. The titles and table doesn't lie.
We missed the title by GD ? Do we cry over it and say, we still are the Champions? No, end of the day City won it and they deserved it
So stop this glorification of a manager who just has one title in 6 years.
multiple 90+ point finishes is what the author means. Why do they win so many matches and drop so few games? It makes their games almost a formality. Look at Citys most recent results too
I don't think there is a German view of SAF. I just think that his biggest quality was longevity and football wise I'm fat more impressed by Klopp and Pep. I also think his CL record was rather poor, considering his reputation and United's stature, so that doesn't help either.
Nonsense.
I think it is down to the relative strength of their squads.
That and the rest of the top clubs not being anything like as good as that top 2.
But credit where it is due. Both Pep and Klopp are consistently doing the right thing in order to complete with eachother.
Which is the reason why their teams are better. Guardiola and Klopp are coaches, Ferguson was a manager. His role basically doesn't exist anymore in modern football.
I doubt you'll find many people outside of England who believe Ferguson is a better manager than Guardiola. So Ferguson being the best ever sounds more like English ignorance to me.
Good post. Some of the rewriting of history when it comes to ManUtd is hilarious.
It's just being ignorant, i bet none of them have a clue on SAF.
There are many. I am German living in Germany and there are many people who rate SAF higher.
Same. No team can be more consistent than a team which won 4 CLs in the last decade. You even went further and argued something ridiculous like how Bayern were often bookies’ favourite for a reason.
Well if your attitude is "call SAF the greatest or it's German ignorance" , then we can't rule out that they agree with you out of politeness or because they don't want to debate you on that level.
I think it's worth remembering how much we upset the Bundesliga fans during the 2 year Sancho saga to the point where they'll discredit anything related to United. Klopp being a better manager than Alex Ferguson is one of the more absurd opinions I've ever read on this forum but they're German so I get it, non-bias isn't their strong suit.
Oh yeah, whereas your opinions are surely highly valued by other people and people don’t just agree with you because they can’t be bothered to argue extremely ridiculous points.
Don't forget about German sensation Josef Gardiola.
2 more years and they will say Tuchel is better too.
I highly doubt that. Few will have an opinion on him to begin with. Many will probably just name Guardiola out of recency bias alone. And if you ask me, they're probably right
As a non-German Manchester United fan, to me it looks more like the other way around: plenty of caftards seem to have an enormous chip on their shoulder when it comes to anything related to German football.
Nonsense.
I never made the argument to represent some German opinion.
I specifically referred to what you said about Klopp, or else I would have mentioned Guardiola. Funny how that works?
Feel free to point me to the plethora of United fans on a German forum discrediting Heynckes.
Did you learn a new word today?
Actually we're good. As it's the case most of the time when discussing with the more tribal United fans in here, the Bundesliga Protection Alliance was right in the end.
Klopp is a better coach than Ferguson, Ferguson was a better manager than Klopp is. However, the role of the manager has fallen victim to the evolution because distributing Ferguson's responsibilities to a coach and a director of football instead proved to be more successful. So in a way, Ferguson is better than Klopp in doing a job that requires an inferior form of organization. In a way, Ferguson is like a classical number 10. No matter how good he is, in modern systems his role doesn't exist anymore. X