Mourinho is nowhere near Sir Alex's tier. The fact that you need state PRIME Mourinho says it all.
Why can't Pep seal the deal?
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This is utter nonsense. Chelsea's spending was worse than Cities era for era
Pep has over-thought his way out of the Champions League again.
In 2018, his mentality coming up against Liverpool was "Their front 3 scare me" when it should have been "Our front players will scare them". He always seems to look for the strengths of the oppostion rather than the weakness. Dalglish once said that Liverpool never really looked at the opposition as it was for them to worry about us. Whilst I don't believe that we never scouted our opponents in the 80s, the sentiment is correct. When you are the best team in the league, leave the opponents to worry about how to beat your game, don't change your game to try and stop the opposition.
In 2018, his mentality coming up against Liverpool was "Their front 3 scare me" when it should have been "Our front players will scare them". He always seems to look for the strengths of the oppostion rather than the weakness. Dalglish once said that Liverpool never really looked at the opposition as it was for them to worry about us. Whilst I don't believe that we never scouted our opponents in the 80s, the sentiment is correct. When you are the best team in the league, leave the opponents to worry about how to beat your game, don't change your game to try and stop the opposition.
Prime Mourinho won more on average than Prime SAF though. Although it depend on how you count and Mourinho had less years at the top.
From Porto win to Inter CL win the Mourinho won like crazy.
Elite hipster coaches Vs Ole
No different from Pep really. He isn't a path on Sir Alex as his last 4-5 years of mediocrity clearly show. Prime Mourinho
Another semi
overcomplicates it yet again in a knock out round
Even surrounded by blue pills he can't do it.
He’s going through a proper midlife crisis. 50 year old trying to dress as a 20 year old. Classic case of an insecure boomer attempting to come across as 'hip' to millennials. On top of that he can’t get more than a semi.
We all knew and could see that starting Sterling and Jesus together would bring an inevitable loss. Every time those two start together in big matches, they bottle it. Both are in terrible form, and Sterling is managing to make himself look like one of the worst players in the league currently.
I don’t understand his thought processes.
Could we still win the league? Oh yes we could.
I don’t understand his thought processes.
Could we still win the league? Oh yes we could.
He's not a boomer. Gen X, more like.
The best example I can give is AC milan Vs Liverpool 2005 CL final.
AC Milan were the tactically heavy dominant team and had the much better class of players - however ultimately in a Cup game Liverpool came back and beat them purely because of heart or mindset.
Pep's teams are tactically focused, aiming to play like they practice 24/7. This is good in the league when it is no different to 20 other teams thinking and aiming to do what is best for them over a year - yet in a cup it can turn in to much more of a game of mindset or emotion than purely just tactics; especially as it gets towards the semifinals or finals.
The city team focus on playing possession football to a tee later in the cups whilst other teams when needed will go HAM at their opponents if that is what's needed never mind the tactic. Ole's ability to get us winning a match even after we let in goals shows that mindset can over do tactics.
AC Milan were the tactically heavy dominant team and had the much better class of players - however ultimately in a Cup game Liverpool came back and beat them purely because of heart or mindset.
Pep's teams are tactically focused, aiming to play like they practice 24/7. This is good in the league when it is no different to 20 other teams thinking and aiming to do what is best for them over a year - yet in a cup it can turn in to much more of a game of mindset or emotion than purely just tactics; especially as it gets towards the semifinals or finals.
The city team focus on playing possession football to a tee later in the cups whilst other teams when needed will go HAM at their opponents if that is what's needed never mind the tactic. Ole's ability to get us winning a match even after we let in goals shows that mindset can over do tactics.
Ok boomer.
You are wrong here generally and especially with your example. Benitez changed at half time from a 4-4-2 system to a 3-4-2-1. That tactical change changed a lot in the game. Obviously you need the mental strength to believe in winning something when you are 3-0 down, but this tactical change was absolutely key to equalizing.
Pep's approach is great at dominating teams and in the league it works great - but he lacks the edge to find solutions, if the other team is ready to stand up to that. A bit of luck is always involved in such games, but then even Leeds can win against City.
And Ole's ability to get United winning should not be overestimated - he has an approach that makes matches quite open, both teams can score and most often United does score more. This is a bit of mentality, but also a lot due to tactics - United could also park the bus, play very cautious and would presumably win as many games as they do, but would not so often have to chase games.
I mean that's fair.
Ultimately though, Pep's inability to change tactics when its needed and change the gameplan to something that is required to win a cup match/final/semi final is something to do with Pep's own mindset isnt it?
His possession football in his formation is a different level of consistency to what most other clubs he plays in a league. Most of the time it feels like Pep's city's, tactics and style of play is too good for other teams and they play at their own will - Peps will.
However what happens when that needs to be changed? Does City's possesion football stop? Do they have someone who can put a performance like Roy Keane vs Juventus 99'? Gerrard vs Milan 2005 final? Could Roy Keane play his Juventus game when playing for a strictly possession based team?
I just feel the players are too busy focusing on their "amazing tactics" that some of the other things that can benefit you in football is forgotten or hidden behind it.
Part of that is the mindset of Pep Guardiola which effects the mindset of the players. Winning through possesion or really not much else.
In the last decade it was obvious that Pep was going to do good in the PL, but when you look at how quick Klopp won the CL - I can say that the Liverpool players have the ability to die for their club and manager whilst what do City players do? Die for their manager or concentrate on playing a better version of Possession based football when its needed?
Tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end it doesn't even matter
And got so far
But in the end it doesn't even matter
No Messi.
Possession is meaningless if it doesn't translate into goals. For all the quality of the game, you still need the special players to break the tackles and bang it in the net.
Possession is meaningless if it doesn't translate into goals. For all the quality of the game, you still need the special players to break the tackles and bang it in the net.