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Seriously is it that bad that we can't play a 442 anymore? Pros and cons of this please.
With out current set of players. The formation isn't the issue.Seriously is it that bad that we can't play a 442 anymore? Pros and cons of this please.
Lingards been awful, but I wonder if him staying high up is a tactic from Ole. It almost seems like more of a 4411 from Ole, which is kind of what he played in, with one of the strikers dropping off.We essentially do with Lingard as the SS.
Formation nomenclature means squat really.
I should qualify this with a full squad and 4 strikers and an actual RW should we try it again.Apart from that it could work.
- Don't have two strikers
- Don't have a RW
- Don't have players disciplined enough for a two man midfield
Great post, Ive brought up 532 or 352 before with this current team but its not a popular thought on here.Glad someone else is asking the question.
I feel we need the two striker formation but not with a two man midfield.
Just posted this in another thread.
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There is no synergy between any of our players and what does this lead to? Safe side and back passes. There is zero guile around the box and this has been the case for years now. Each manager has failed in some way shape or form. But it only requires one or two key relationships to form to give a fighting chance. As sad as it may seem the best one we had was the teams' understanding with Fellaini's strengths and positioning.
The current squad is just not good enough to play whichever variant of 4231/433 we've played in the last 5 years. Playing with one striker has borne no fruit, whether that striker is Romelu 'can't control the ball' Lukaku, or Marcus 'slap it ahead of me or I'll slap it from a mile out' Rashford.
In my opinion we need to define our attacking transitions better, because we simply cannot leave it up to the players to create dynamically in game. Therefore I truly feel we need to revert to a two striker formation, Yorke/Cole esq. Allow the front two to actually build a relationship based on movement and creativity. How can one striker build a relationship with a hit and run winger/wing forward who more often than not gets crowded out and forced to turn back whilst the opposition regroups? One striker to receive the perfect cross from a wide player running at break neck pace.
The two striker setup allows us two options when needing to play through the lines if it's tight playing out from the back or in midfield. Once at their feet we can spread play to either side of the pitch, or to the strike partner. Chances for a through ball that create a shooting opportunity will be increased due to the structure. It is a simpler structure that requires less movement and transition overall, which at the moment suits our less than intelligent team.
The only question for me that remains is whether that formation is best facilitated by a 4 or 3/5 man defence. Given our uselessness in midfield and lack of natural wingers I would say the following would be our best approach.
Security at the back and possibilities for both counter attack and possession across the pitch.
Presence in the attacking third with Shaw on the ball looking like this, mirrored for an attack on the right side:
SAF didn’t win more CL because of the 442. Hence why he signed Veron to try playing a 433, and why we won out next CL playing a 433, albeit without Veron. But if you look at our best controlled performances against big teams in Europe they came when we had Veron. Eg beating Juventus 0-3 in Italy.Seriously is it that bad that we can't play a 442 anymore? Pros and cons of this please.
Because our fullbacks are use less in final third of the pitch we already struggle badly when it comes to creating chances imagine adding another defender to the team it won't change much for us might even make things worse.Great post, Ive brought up 532 or 352 before with this current team but its not a popular thought on here.
Im not saying exclusively. SAF still played 442 in some games after that. It was the Ronaldo being applauded off the park at OT game that forced him to rethink european games but we still employed 442 as wellSAF didn’t win more CL because of the 442. Hence why he signed Veron to try playing a 433, and why we won out next CL playing a 433, albeit without Veron. But if you look at our best controlled performances against big teams in Europe they came when we had Veron. Eg beating Juventus 0-3 in Italy.
With Scholes and Keane we’d get outplayed by Real Madrid who had 3 in CM. Now imagine with our current midfielders in the EPL where every team more or less has 3 cm’s. We see it now with our 4231 formation. We have no control in midfield.
While I see the rationale, I don't see 3 at the back working, especially with Shaw and Wan Bissaka as the wing-backs. It looks like extra defensive coverage and being light up top.Great post, Ive brought up 532 or 352 before with this current team but its not a popular thought on here.
Williams/Dalot/Shaw/AWB will be in a naturally further position and all are capable of getting forward. They would just have to improve their end productsBecause our fullbacks are use less in final third of the pitch we already struggle badly when it comes to creating chances imagine adding another defender to the team it won't change much for us might even make things worse.
Just because they would be playing further doesn't mean they would suddenly improve their attacking and link up play it's just not about their end product Evra hardly had any end product but was fantastic attacking fullback .Williams/Dalot/Shaw/AWB will be in a naturally further position and all are capable of getting forward. They would just have to improve their end products
Jesus Christ what I just say at the end of my post ?Just because they would be playing further doesn't mean they would suddenly improve their attacking and link up play it's just not about their end product Evra hardly had any end product but was fantastic attacking fullback .
For all the plaudits AWB is getting right now for he looks quite poor on the ball and Shaw doesn't contribute much in attacking third either other two are hardly tested at this level so for its just not worth it for me atleast but considering we are hardly pulling up any trees even now so what the heck.